Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=jamf;1137368]I'm wondering if we could get Matt Forte on the cheap.

Would you guys consider bringing in Ray Rice?[/quote]

Rice was done the year before the incident, so no.

Ive thought about Forte because he is an underrated talent. I certainly think he has some left in the tank. Forte is gonna attempt to get one more big contract, and that's why we walk away. Somebody will do it...someone does it every year...and it wont be us.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1137367][url=http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133849/reggie-ragland]Recent news on Reggie Ragland - Alabama Crimson Tide - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

I think Ragland would be a great pick for us if he lasts long enough.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=calia;1137272]Agreed. Better days? Yeah -- here's why: [url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Scot_McCloughan_Greets_Players_As_They_Leave_Field/3e6edc35-ab83-4fd9-9239-4ea272be9c1e]Scot McCloughan Greets Players As They Leave Field[/url]

Love this guy.[/quote]

That was awesome to see. i really like how pissed off our players looked after the loss. Let's hope they carry that feeling on into the next season.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1137361]My biggest concern for Jay is that his default setting is to pass. A running game requires real commitment and patience. To me, Jay gives lip service to the run game but, in his heart of hearts, would prefer to pass for two yards than grind it out. Scot, on the other hand, strikes me as a down and dirty mudder. Eventually, I see this creating some tension.

With that said, it is a passing league now and to try and win the way we did in the 80's is simply not feasible. At the same time, it is not a one-dimensional passing game either; if the run is not a viable threat at all, as happened Sunday, then we simply cannot compete with the big boys.

I really hope the off-season shows a commitment to getting down and dirty, to beating up the opposing team, and kicking them when they are down (in a nice-sportsmanlike way, of course). Just not yet sold that Jay is the guy to do that. Scot, yes. Jay maybe.[/quote]

Isn't McVay the playcaller though? I'm sure Gruden has veto power if he wants it but I thought McVay was the guy leading the offense. Either way, i feel our more aggressive, pass heavy approach towards the end was by necessity. We haven't been able to run the ball since week 2. You should always play to your strengths, and that's what we did. It wasn't like we totally abandoned the run either. If we had a big emphasis on the run game and we weren't able to move the ball at all the coaches would be getting crucified for sticking with something that obviously wasn't working.

TL;DR: With new personnel next year I am confident we will see a balanced approach.

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personally, i am going to forget everything that happened w our run game this past year. it was the most stubborn coaching decision i have seen in a long time. your 2 blocking TEs get injured preseason and yet you insist on running the ball out of TE sets instead of using your pro bowl FS?

next year we should have paul and paulsen back, and i think we will see what our run game was supposed to look like this year.
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Looks like Galette is a lock .. lol.

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/lb-junior-galette-says-theres-no-doubt-about-redskins-return-2016?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo]LB Junior Galette says there's 'no doubt' about Redskins return in 2016 | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

^^ says all the right things here. dude is hungry, thats what SM wants. guys who have been around the game their whole life and cant breathe without it.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

I voted playoffs in the poll

As JR said, we play a first place schedule, which for us translates to Arizona @ Arizona and Carolina at home(the rest is the same for the whole nfc east)

2nd place eagles get Seattle at Seattle, and Atlanta at Philly

**Maybe the 1st place is better than the 2nd place actually.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

I see a lot of complaints about not running enough, but we were 15th overall in attempts.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

With the season over I'm not so worried about the run anymore.
Reworking our TE staff and Alfmos replacement should fix that.
No to mention a healthy Oline.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1137235]that is a good start

3. I thought Knighton had a weight clause in his contract, do not resign him unless he loses 30+ pounds and keeps it off

7. running back[/quote]

Totally forgot about RB. Good one.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1137380]I see a lot of complaints about not running enough, but we were 15th overall in attempts.[/QUOTE]


Rite. We just average 2 ypc on a good day. Lol. Which begs the question why does everyone want to run more? We want to run more effectively thats for sure. They will fix it.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=MTK;1137303]Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/11/redskins-left-guard-shawn-lauvao-had-combined-five/]Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

It looks like the surgeries were to clean up various pre-existing issues. Who knows? He may come back strong.

[quote]Lauvao landed on injured reserve after Week 3 with a serious ankle injury, but he took advantage of the downtime to fix some lingering foot issues. He expects to start walking in the next week and should be ready for OTAs. He will be 100 percent recovered by the time training camp rolls around. Jan 12 - 10:56 AM[/quote]

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5890/shawn-lauvao]Shawn Lauvao - Washington Redskins - 2016 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1137361]My biggest concern for Jay is that his default setting is to pass. A running game requires real commitment and patience. To me, Jay gives lip service to the run game but, in his heart of hearts, would prefer to pass for two yards than grind it out. Scot, on the other hand, strikes me as a down and dirty mudder. Eventually, I see this creating some tension.[/quote]I agree about Jay's passing centric focus. And maybe it could cause some friction but I think any [I][B]style[/B][/I] of offense can win. So while I tend to agree that Scott is more of ground and pound type coach I still believe he capitulates to his HC and builds the team to suit. I think Scott can do both. Provide the weapons for a dynamic passing offense; while also building the type of OL+RB that when called upon can respond. I think any running game in Jay's offense is going to require a dominant OL; he's not gonna tinkering around with middling talent and be able to Shanahan their way into being a top running offense.

[quote]With that said, it is a passing league now and to try and win the way we did in the 80's is simply not feasible. At the same time, it is not a one-dimensional passing game either; if the run is not a viable threat at all, as happened Sunday, then we simply cannot compete with the big boys.[/quote]Meh can't say I agree the run game wasn't viable...wasn't utilized maybe? Alf was 11/50 that's good for 4.5 a clip.

[quote]I really hope the off-season shows a commitment to getting down and dirty, to beating up the opposing team, and kicking them when they are down [/quote]Me too...but I'm not holding my breath.

[quote]Just not yet sold that Jay is the guy to do that. Scot, yes. Jay maybe.[/quote]Only time will tell.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Nothing wrong with being pass focused on offense. I actually prefer the commitment we did to spread the ball out past 6 weeks.

Would of been nice if CT stayed healthy the whole year. He really fit the offense the best going down the stretch. Oh well.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1137384]It looks like the surgeries were to clean up various pre-existing issues. Who knows? He may come back strong.







[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5890/shawn-lauvao]Shawn Lauvao - Washington Redskins - 2016 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url][/QUOTE]


Yeah sounds like he should. I just thought the article was worth the share.

Wondering out loud
 

I really like Keenan Robinson.

I think he can really play in a scheme where he is protected up front, like in a 2-gap scheme. I'm gonna utter a name that is unpopular but Haslett's scheme was more ILB friendly. Joe's scheme doesn't leave him protected as often and then there is the question of how much injuries hurt his play last year. If we are gonna stay with a 1-gap style 34 then I wonder if imo our 2 best ILBs (Keenan and Compton) can play together in this scheme.

ILBs in this type of scheme tend to be more of the banger type then the run and chase type and if they're gonna improve the run defense the ILBs have to come to play.

Question for the salary cap/contract guys
 

As long as Griffin isn't cut he can still be traded? Is that right?

I hope we are shopping him at the owners meetings.
Even if its for a 7th round pick...we should control where he goes and get something back in return.

Re: Question for the salary cap/contract guys
 

[quote=30gut;1137393]As long as Griffin isn't cut he can still be traded? Is that right?

I hope we are shopping him at the owners meetings.
Even if its for a 7th round pick...we should control where he goes and get something back in return.[/quote]

NO one would trade for him. They only way we have him under contract is with the 16 million guarantee. So, to trade him, the new team would have to take that contract and that would be the starting point for his negotiations with that team.

Anyone interested in him will wait until he is cut.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Yep, he will be a Texan/49er/Cowboy/Eagle/Brown by the end of March.
We wont get squat for him.
What a feckin waste....
And to think I told anyone who would listen that he would win us three super bowls....
I was wrong when I .......

Re: Question for the salary cap/contract guys
 

[quote=Skinsfanatic;1137401]Anyone interested in him will wait until he is cut.[/quote]Sure, no one will trade for him with the current $16mil price tag.

Can the 5th year option be altered to complete a trade?

If all 3 parties agree? Lets say X wants him and doesn't want to compete with other teams and is willing to send us a 7th to get Griffin and he wants to go?

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Way too early mock from: [url=http://first-pick.com/NFL/DraftGame.aspx]First-Pick.com[/url]

Round 1 Pick 21: A'Shawn Robinson, DT/DE, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 21: Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 21: Chris Jones, DT/DE, Mississippi State (A)
Round 4 Pick 21: Kevon Seymour, CB, Southern California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 19: Deiondre' Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A)
Round 6 Pick 12: Evan Boehm, C, Missouri (B+)
Round 7 Pick 9: Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford (A+)
Round 7 Pick 21: Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (A+)

Re: Question for the salary cap/contract guys
 

[quote=30gut;1137404]Sure, no one will trade for him with the current $16mil price tag.

Can the 5th year option be altered to complete a trade?

If all 3 parties agree? Lets say X wants him and doesn't want to compete with other teams and is willing to send us a 7th to get Griffin and he wants to go?[/quote]

That is a lot of ifs. I imagine that could be done, but (a) why would Robert want to help us, (b) why would a team what he wants to go to pay for him instead of waiting until he is cut.

We have NO leverage. I hope he ends up in the AFC, but I have a hunch he is going to end up in Dallas.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=30gut;1137405]Way too early mock from: [url=http://first-pick.com/NFL/DraftGame.aspx]First-Pick.com[/url]

Round 1 Pick 21: A'Shawn Robinson, DT/DE, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 21: Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 21: Chris Jones, DT/DE, Mississippi State (A)
Round 4 Pick 21: Kevon Seymour, CB, Southern California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 19: Deiondre' Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A)
Round 6 Pick 12: Evan Boehm, C, Missouri (B+)
Round 7 Pick 9: Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford (A+)
Round 7 Pick 21: Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (A+)[/quote]


That mock blows monkey ass.
Wheres the safety?
Wheres the TE?

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1137411]That mock blows monkey ass.
Wheres the safety?
Wheres the TE?[/quote]Thank you. That's let's me know it was a good draft.

The S and TE would have been reaches the way the draft unfolded and I'm a BPA guy I don't reach.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

This would great if it did happen.

[url=http://m.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/2016-Mock-Drafts-Jaylon-Smith-To-The-Redskins/15b65fc4-2696-4e55-8444-5b650d224e0f]Redskins Home[/url]

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1137411]That mock blows monkey ass.
Wheres the safety?
Wheres the TE?[/quote]

Don't need a TE. We have Reed and we have Paul coming back. No reason to draft a TE. Our biggest issues are on the defense by far.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1137453]Don't need a TE. We have Reed and we have Paul coming back. No reason to draft a TE. Our biggest issues are on the defense by far.[/quote]

We know the injury history of Reed and now Paul is coming off a major ankle injury. We also witnessed a major problem with the run game with a non blocking TE a contributing factor.

While I don't think TE is say a top 3 round pick...certainly taking one to develop, play special teams wouldn't be a bad pick

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=30gut;1137405]Way too early mock from: [url=http://first-pick.com/NFL/DraftGame.aspx]First-Pick.com[/url]

Round 1 Pick 21: A'Shawn Robinson, DT/DE, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 21: Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 21: Chris Jones, DT/DE, Mississippi State (A)
Round 4 Pick 21: Kevon Seymour, CB, Southern California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 19: Deiondre' Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A)
Round 6 Pick 12: Evan Boehm, C, Missouri (B+)
Round 7 Pick 9: Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford (A+)
Round 7 Pick 21: Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (A+)[/quote]

The problem with that online draft is that it presents the user with some unlikely scenarios and he feels compelled to take advantage of them. I really don't see either Robinson or Thomas being there for us in the first two rounds.

I like your picks of Boehm and Hogan in the 6th and 7th rounds, respectively. If those two were to fall to those rounds, I'd be pleased to have them.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1137453]Don't need a TE. We have Reed and we have Paul coming back. No reason to draft a TE. Our biggest issues are on the defense by far.[/quote]

Paul had a pretty bad break, who knows how solid he will be next year.
He was a good player but no Mark Bavaro.
Tight ends are the new #1s.
I'll bet my left nut we take one before the seventh pick.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1137459]Paul had a pretty bad break, who knows how solid he will be next year.
He was a good player but no Mark Bavaro.
Tight ends are the new #1s.
I'll bet my left nut we take one before the seventh pick.[/quote]

I'll bet [U]your[/U] right nut we'll take one.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1137453][B]Don't need[/B] a TE. We have Reed and we have Paul coming back. No reason to draft a TE. Our biggest issues are on the defense by far.[/quote]

Amazing that we're on year 2 of the McC regime and people still don't realize he doesn't draft for need. Let me put it like this: If you need a safety but you scouted all of the safeties and decided they were either overvalued (i.e. teams will be reaching for them) or none of them were that good why would you take one? Sure, maybe your plan of action is to grab a guy in FA or trade for one but those both fall through, so then maybe you grab one in the later rounds as some backup insurance, but that would be a last case, desperate scenario in case all your better options fall through.

Now on the flip side, this tight end class might be one of the best in history, but you already have a baller at TE and you have more needs so you don't want to waste a pick. If you haven't realized by now that McC would rather grab a TE that he likes vs. a safety he's not sold on, then you apparently haven't done your research on McC. From day one he's said he drafts BPA. Occasionally we'll get lucky and the BPA will fill a need, but if it doesn't I have no reason to be concerned. Not a single member of any draft class is guaranteed to give you equal returns based on draft position. So if it's a crapshoot you might as well pick the guy you think has the best chance to succeed long term. I trust McC's player evaluations, so I have complete faith in him. If he decides to go punter with the first rounder, I have complete confidence that he's done his homework and has decided that's the best player to draft.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1137461]I'll bet [U]your[/U] right nut we'll take one.[/quote]

People forget about Carrier as well. Was a solid run blocker

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2016/1/13/10759508/redskins-2016-top-needs-and-early-big-board]Redskins 2016 Top Needs and Early Big Board - Hogs Haven[/url]

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1137466][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2016/1/13/10759508/redskins-2016-top-needs-and-early-big-board]Redskins 2016 Top Needs and Early Big Board - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Very good points in the article...hard to argue and the draft grade round seem fairly accurate. But the decisions along the DLine and WR positions loom large before the draft...You know our WR and DLine group as a whole were actually fairly decent, but both areas are older groups. To leave out RB is very poor.

Garcon, had a bounce back season and played extremely well after the first six games of the season. Crowder is solidified in the slot. Ryan Grant and Andre Roberts aren't good WRs. Ryan Grant...potential has worn out. Ross much more effective.

Pot Roast played at a high level after the bye. Hatcher and Ricky Jean were effective at DE.

Decisions, decisions for McC for those 2 personnel groups.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1137466][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2016/1/13/10759508/redskins-2016-top-needs-and-early-big-board]Redskins 2016 Top Needs and Early Big Board - Hogs Haven[/url][/QUOTE]


I like that list of needs but where is the pass rusher? Galette may or may not be that guy. Preston Smith looks good, but we need a pass rusher more than anything imo.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

lets start with possible free-agent signings first, then we can do mock drafts

I think they can get a veteran center, TE, S and maybe more in free agency

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=punch it in;1137468]I like that list of needs but where is the pass rusher? Galette may or may not be that guy. Preston Smith looks good, but we need a pass rusher more than anything imo.[/quote]

Did you see my earlier post? Jaylon Smith could drop to us because of his knee injury. If that was to happen, it would be a no brainer even if he can't play till the second half of the season.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1137470]Did you see my earlier post? Jaylon Smith could drop to us because of his knee injury. If that was to happen, it would be a no brainer even if he can't play till the second half of the season.[/QUOTE]


I did. I am worried about his injury. However he is a stud.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=punch it in;1137474]I did. I am worried about his injury. However he is a stud.[/quote]

I would take that chance at #21.

Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1137475]I would take that chance at #21.[/QUOTE]


I thought you weren't a gambling man. [emoji12]

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[url]http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/washington-redskins-kirk-cousins-trent-williams-matt-jones-ryan-kerrigan-jordan-reed-011316[/url]



Something to look forward to.