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[quote=Chico23231;1140719]The thing is what's the going rate for an nfl starter? It's either extremely low on a rookie deal or its 15 million plus.

Fitz has the right idea IMO, he was extremely good last year[/quote]

but he's 33 and his track record overall is very... underwhelming. we've seen people try to pickup QBs before based on one good year, and it hasn't worked out well (cassel, foles). they'd also be bringing him in to compete, not to be the locked #1.

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NE DT Akiem Hicks to the Bears - 2 year contract

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[quote=That Guy;1140723]but he's 33 and his track record overall is very... underwhelming. we've seen people try to pickup QBs before based on one good year, and it hasn't worked out well (cassel, foles). they'd also be bringing him in to compete, not to be the locked #1.[/quote]

I understand it from both sides.surely Fitz feels like he can cash in...and with the money being tossed around..it generally seems like a legit negotiation because he is clearly the best qb in free agency right now. The draft class, none of those guys are ready to lead a team into the playoffs, most likely to a 10 loss season.

I think Fitz could easily lead the Broncos into the playoffs

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Denver is really showing some fiscal responsibility. However when it comes to your QB, that's the one position where you might have to overpay. Trading for Sanchez? Possibly trying to trade for Kap? Low balling Fitz? Guess Elway doesn't think much of Griffin. They went from SB contenders to a 7 or 8 win team.

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[quote=Chico23231;1140725]I understand it from both sides.surely Fitz feels like he can cash in...and with the money being tossed around..it generally seems like a legit negotiation because he is clearly the best qb in free agency right now. The draft class, none of those guys are ready to lead a team into the playoffs, most likely to a 10 loss season.

I think Fitz could easily lead the Broncos into the playoffs[/quote]

I agree, Fitz is clearly the best guy out there. A middle of the pack starter last year just hit the market and Denver is still low balling. Sanchez is fucking terrible and Denver gave up a draft pick for that scrub.

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Chris Long visiting NE Monday

Casey Hayward CB signs with SD

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1140688]More like the Giants defense beat the Pats offense, and the Giants offense did just enough not to lose the game.[/quote]

Yeah, that's why Eli got mvp on both of their SB wins against NE.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1140732]Yeah, that's why Eli got mvp on both of their SB wins against NE.[/quote]

Because he definitely deserved either one

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[quote=Chico23231;1140725]I understand it from both sides.surely Fitz feels like he can cash in...and with the money being tossed around..it generally seems like a legit negotiation because he is clearly the best qb in free agency right now. The draft class, none of those guys are ready to lead a team into the playoffs, most likely to a 10 loss season.

I think Fitz could easily lead the Broncos into the playoffs[/quote]


How , if you look at the loss's the Denver D is taking and think about how dominant they were even with keeping Von Miller I can't see it.The Broncos still owe a roster bonus to Ware who knows if they are willing to pay that..

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[quote=Giantone;1140734]How , if you look at the loss's the Denver D is taking and think about how dominant they were even with keeping Von Miller I can't see it.The Broncos still owe a roster bonus to Ware who knows if they are willing to pay that..[/quote]

Core of that defense is still there and they still have a top cordinator. I'm not concerned about the defense, they will be fine.

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Have to remember that with Denver running Kubiak's system (similar to Shanahan's) you want a QB that can roll out and throw on the run a little bit. Sanchez can do that, for all his warts. That's not Fitzpatrick's strength.

They won't feel satisfied with Sanchez as their QB, but they wouldn't feel satisfied with Fitzpatrick as their QB (would you?) so why overpay him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1140737]Have to remember that with Denver running Kubiak's system (similar to Shanahan's) you want a QB that can roll out and throw on the run a little bit. Sanchez can do that, for all his warts. That's not Fitzpatrick's strength.

They won't feel satisfied with Sanchez as their QB, but they wouldn't feel satisfied with Fitzpatrick as their QB (would you?) so why overpay him.[/quote]

I was under the impression that Fitz was quite mobile; I could be wrong. I think given what's out there, I'd rather have Fitz over Sanchez.

At the end of the day, Denver either knew something about Osweiller that was terrible or they really f'ed it up by letting him go.

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[quote=Schneed10;1140737]Have to remember that with Denver running Kubiak's system (similar to Shanahan's) you want a QB that can roll out and throw on the run a little bit. Sanchez can do that, for all his warts. That's not Fitzpatrick's strength.

They won't feel satisfied with Sanchez as their QB, but they wouldn't feel satisfied with Fitzpatrick as their QB (would you?) so why overpay him.[/quote]

Fitz is a much better QB than Sanchez. I think on a one-two year deal while you get a plan together isn't a wild gamble. Certainly if Fitz wants more than 2 years, forget it. Peyton ran Kubiack offense as a statue but the Broncos are in a tough spot. Broncos have a lot of questions at RB as well.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1140739]I was under the impression that Fitz was quite mobile; I could be wrong. I think given what's out there, I'd rather have Fitz over Sanchez.

At the end of the day, Denver either knew something about Osweiller that was terrible or they really f'ed it up by letting him go.[/quote]

Solid mobility but throwing on the run isn't a strength. I wouldn't say throwing is Sanchez's strength at all (lol) but he doesn't lose any accuracy when going from stable base to throwing on the run.

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[quote=Schneed10;1140742]Solid mobility but throwing on the run isn't a strength. I wouldn't say throwing is Sanchez's strength at all (lol) but he doesn't lose any accuracy when going from stable base to throwing on the run.[/quote]

Gotcha.

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[quote=Chico23231;1140740]Fitz is a much better QB than Sanchez. I think on a one-two year deal while you get a plan together isn't a wild gamble. Certainly if Fitz wants more than 2 years, forget it. Peyton ran Kubiack offense as a statue but the Broncos are in a tough spot. Broncos have a lot of questions at RB as well.[/quote]

"Better QB". That's such a high level summary of it all that it's nearly useless in determining which QB will perform better in Denver's system, because if you're John Elway that's the only question that matters.

Fitzpatrick's year last year was no doubt better than any year Sanchez has ever had. But Sanchez's arm is stronger, he's more mobile, and he throws on the run better.

Fitzpatrick takes care of the ball much better than Sanchez, which is exactly why he summarizes up to "Better QB" as you put it. But Kubiak's offense is based on a zone-read one-cut running game, off of which bootlegs and other forms of QB motion off play action are designed to get WRs deep. So the Broncos may be willing to overlook Sanchez's warts with turnovers in order to gain the capability to roll out and throw on the run. After all, they just won the Super Bowl with Peyton Manning as a turnover machine this season.

So if I'm the Broncos I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay Fitzpatrick any more than I'd be willing to pay Sanchez. If I brought them both to camp, if I'm Kubiak I'd view it as a complete tossup as to who should be my starter, because of fit.

And in light of that I don't know why you even bother talking to Fitz's agent, knowing that he seeks $14M+ per season.

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In the discussion of Bronco quarterback Kapernick is in the discussion. Has the athletic ability for Kubiack, but you pay him over Fitz?

Sanchez might start the season, but wouldn't finish it. I'd be very surprised if horse tooth settled for the Sanchise as the starter.

In the end, Fitz probably goes back to the Jets.

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Weddle goes to Baltimore:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14970975/eric-weddle-join-baltimore-ravens]Eric Weddle to join Baltimore Ravens[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1140746]In the discussion of Bronco quarterback Kapernick is in the discussion. Has the athletic ability for Kubiack, but you pay him over Fitz?

Sanchez might start the season, but wouldn't finish it. I'd be very surprised if horse tooth settled for the Sanchise as the starter.

In the end, Fitz probably goes back to the Jets.[/quote]

Agreed, Fitz won't find anybody who would find him as valuable as the Jets currently do. Though they did meet twice with RG3, that seems like a due diligence thing.

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It's just so friggin nice not to be in the same shoes as the Broncos, Jets, Browns, etc. We actually have a QB for once. What a nice place to be.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1140729]I agree, Fitz is clearly the best guy out there. A middle of the pack starter last year just hit the market and Denver is still low balling. Sanchez is fucking terrible and Denver gave up a draft pick for that scrub.[/quote]

they only possibly gave up a 7th round pick (it's conditional on playing time). which 7th rounder are they going to take that's going to be able to play QB for them right now? or that's even guaranteed to make the team?

even an extremely low level starter (or lackluster backup) is worth more than a conditional 7th, especially when you've got absolutely no one on the roster to fill that spot.

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Falcons signed OL Tom Compton, formerly of the Redskins.

A sixth-round pick in 2012, Compton is a versatile lineman who was an asset in jumbo sets last season with the Redskins. He will fight for a reserve spot in camp.

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Free agent S Dashon Goldson is visiting the Cowboys

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[quote=Chico23231;1140813]Free agent S Dashon Goldson is visiting the Cowboys[/quote]

The Cowboys are going to play a lot of cover 2 again?

He didn't do well in TB in that role.

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DG is solid but he lacks in coverage, but Dallas is desperate

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[quote=Chico23231;1140802]Falcons signed OL Tom Compton, formerly of the Redskins.

A sixth-round pick in 2012, Compton is a versatile lineman who was an asset in jumbo sets last season with the Redskins. He will fight for a reserve spot in camp.[/quote]

Didn't the team tender him a restricted free agent? Does this mean we get like a 6th round pick or something or did I read it incorrectly about his status with the team?

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;1140874]Didn't the team tender him a restricted free agent? Does this mean we get like a 6th round pick or something or did I read it incorrectly about his status with the team?[/quote]

He was not tendered.

[quote]Compton, a restricted free agent who was not tendered by the Redskins, will be reunited in Atlanta with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and offensive line coach Chris Morgan.[/quote]

[url]https://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/former-redskins-ot-tom-compton-reportedly-sign-falcons[/url]

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Will Hill - DB - Free Agent


Ravens released SS Will Hill.



Get this guy and his twitter account in for a visit McC

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Hill is definitely one I would throw some bucks at.

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[quote=Chico23231;1140913]Will Hill - DB - Free Agent


Ravens released SS Will Hill.



Get this guy and his twitter account in for a visit McC[/quote]

He's had three suspensions and led the Ravens in penalties.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1140915]He's had three suspensions and led the Ravens in penalties.[/quote]



It's why the Giants let him go.

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I wonder if Will Hill is in line for another suspension? If not, guy can cover and play both safety spots. Probably incentive - laden deal. I just wish some of these marijuana penalties would be lessened...its obscene. Times have changed and everybody is smoking weed. who cares? #Sour

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1140922]I wonder if Will Hill is in line for another suspension? If not, guy can cover and play both safety spots. Probably incentive - laden deal. I just wish some of these marijuana penalties would be lessened...its obscene. Times have changed and everybody is smoking weed. who cares? #Sour[/QUOTE]
Looks like you were onto something. Hill suspended 10 games for substance abuse per Schefter.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14990221/chicago-bears-trade-martellus-bennett-new-england-patriots-draft-pick-compensation]Chicago Bears trade Martellus Bennett to New England Patriots for draft-pick compensation[/url]

This is the belichick move I can applaud. Bennett is ridiculously good pass catching tight end. Especially since he left the cowgirls. Finally got that compliment to gronk since they lost Hernandez to tha streetz.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1140878]He was not tendered.



[url]https://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/former-redskins-ot-tom-compton-reportedly-sign-falcons[/url][/quote]

Just realized the Compton I saw in the original article I was thinking of was Will, not Tom. My bad.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645628/article/twotime-pro-bowl-rb-alfred-morris-visiting-cowboys]Two-time Pro Bowl RB Alfred Morris visiting Cowboys - NFL.com[/url]

Noooooooooo!!!!!!

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Dont do it Alfred!

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[quote=Chico23231;1141014][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645628/article/twotime-pro-bowl-rb-alfred-morris-visiting-cowboys]Two-time Pro Bowl RB Alfred Morris visiting Cowboys - NFL.com[/url]

Noooooooooo!!!!!![/quote]

[IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/dc/67/35/dc6735402ad75ed1980a1ed39f2635a8.jpg[/IMG]

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Wow really hope he doesnt sign with dallas....

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I hate to say it...but Alfred to Dallas could be scary.

Their o-line is not bad.

*gulp!*