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[QUOTE=MTK;1161988]I'd rank my list like this

Phillips
Williams
Bradley
Wilks
Manusky[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly!

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Williams would come back? Really? I thought bad blood there.

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I voted Wade Phillips and it wasn't even close in my mind. I think he may be the best DC in football. Period. End.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1161901]I don't care who it is, I just want to know if we're going to run a 3-4 or 4-3 defense next year.

Any thoughts?[/quote]

pretty much every defense these days are hybrids . . . ours was last year and will be again this year

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Wilks
Phillips
Bradley
Williams
Manusky

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1162000]pretty much every defense these days are hybrids . . . ours was last year and will be again this year[/quote]

It was a joke...

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Phillips is a chest pain away from retiring.
I would go with Bradley.

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Btw I voted for Grillz because I love him but his Defenses haven't been the same since the NFL cut off his balls.

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Browns hire Gregg Williams

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[quote=Irrefutable;1162053]Browns hire Gregg Williams[/quote]

Pretty sure there was never any serious consideration for him.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1162053]Browns hire Gregg Williams[/quote]

[yt]WWaLxFIVX1s[/yt]

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I voted to "Back up the Bus for Gus", but I'm having 2nd thoughts....

His stats as Def Coord in Seattle......

2009 - 24th in Total D
2010- 27 (drafted Earl Thomas/Cam Chancellor)
2011 - 9th (Richard Sherman)
2012- 4th (Bobby Wagner)

So, with the right talent, I have no concerns that he couldn't do the job.

My concern is that [I]IF[/I] he is the selection, this might not be a quick flip next year.
I question if we have close to the same talent level that Seattle did in 2010.

I think sonofbum would have a more immediate impact.

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Good coaches have good players. The Browns would've still been the Browns if Gibbs was coaching them. So if a coach has good rankings, he did a good job with the talent he was given. Phillips is old, I'd prefer Bradley or Wilks.

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How about we try actually getting some talent on board. There are no miracle workers out there. You cannot turn turds into gold with a scheme. Lol.
But Wade could probably make them the nicest looking turds.....vote for Wade 17

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Talent certainly matters. So does scheme and coaching, and no doubt the organization is looking to improve all of the above.

The best way to measure a defensive coordinator's impact is look how he did in his first year, and look how that same defense did in the year before his arrival. That's why Wade is so impressive, he has frequently taken a moribund defense into the top 10 in his first season.

Bradley has improved the defenses he has coached, both the Seahawks and Jags got quite a bit better, but it took longer and some talent. Wade's impact has been more immediate.

Same with Manusky. Wilks we can't judge, never been a coordinator. Norman developed, and he certainly knows what good defenses look like, but can he call one? Can he gameplan? Can he flex his scheme to fit his talent? Maybe but we don't know. He's a risk.

Wade is the best candidate, it's not close.

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[quote=Schneed10;1162099]Talent certainly matters. So does scheme and coaching, and no doubt the organization is looking to improve all of the above.

The best way to measure a defensive coordinator's impact is look how he did in his first year, and look how that same defense did in the year before his arrival. That's why Wade is so impressive, he has frequently taken a moribund defense into the top 10 in his first season.

Bradley has improved the defenses he has coached, both the Seahawks and Jags got quite a bit better, but it took longer and some talent. Wade's impact has been more immediate.

Same with Manusky. Wilks we can't judge, never been a coordinator. Norman developed, and he certainly knows what good defenses look like, but can he call one? Can he gameplan? Can he flex his scheme to fit his talent? Maybe but we don't know. He's a risk.

Wade is the best candidate, it's not close.[/quote]

I agree. I was pissed when we didn't hire Wade and instead hired a guy from the Lions who had the worst losing streak in NFL history....Why? Because of energy? We'll look what happened. Denver wins a Superbowl due primarily to their defense and our offense catches fire but due to our defense we stagnate around 500. Who knows...If we had Wade could we have won one more game both years? I say YES. And that means we blew 2 chances for an actual Super Bowl run....Because we wanted our head coach to have a high energy peer with a crappy resume rather than an old dude with an impressive track record. I say....Get Wade...Stock up on defense and make a superbowl run over the next 3 years!

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I'd gladly take Phillips too. But he is getting up there in age. He would be my 3rd choice. But my top 3 are all really close. It's more like a 1a, 1b, and 1c.

Bradley, Wilks, and Phillips, I'd feel good about all 3 of them.

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Williams off the board

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Williams was never a legitimate option. He left here in bad terms and his last 8 or 9 years have not lived up to the talent.

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Agree that Wade is the best choice by far, but then again - we didn't hire him last time, so either he didn't like us or we didn't like him. We'll see how failure changes things. Gus would seem to be a good second choice, but as mentioned the Seattle defenses may have been good simply due to GM / drafting than his talent. Still, couldn't hurt.

I'm curious on Wilks. Only found one good article on him, where he was highly recommended. If he's legit, wouldn't mind a fresh mind with some passion to develop the team.. He's dealt with change in the Carolina secondary and developed players each year, including this year with two rookies..

Of those associated with us, would HATE Manusky, his resume stinks.

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[quote=mredskins;1162122]Williams off the board[/quote]

Good, because I don't want him. Only Joe Gibbs can coach us twice.

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[quote=mooby;1162059][yt]WWaLxFIVX1s[/yt][/quote]

My thoughts exactly. :(

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1162136]Good, because I don't want him. Only Joe Gibbs can coach us twice.[/quote]

I like Gregg Williams, it sort of sucks that he goes to a shit hole like Cleveland...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1162151]I like Gregg Williams, it sort of sucks that he goes to a shit hole like Cleveland...[/quote]

On the other hand, with an infusion of talent, maybe Cleveland stands a chance now. I like HueJack and wish them luck, it's time for them to get out of the bottom of the barrel.

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[quote=ethat001;1162133]Agree that Wade is the best choice by far, but then again - we didn't hire him last time, so either he didn't like us or we didn't like him. We'll see how failure changes things. Gus would seem to be a good second choice, but as mentioned the Seattle defenses may have been good simply due to GM / drafting than his talent. Still, couldn't hurt.

I'm curious on Wilks. Only found one good article on him, where he was highly recommended. If he's legit, wouldn't mind a fresh mind with some passion to develop the team.. He's dealt with change in the Carolina secondary and developed players each year, including this year with two rookies..

Of those associated with us, would HATE Manusky, his resume stinks.[/quote]

The one thing that stands out for me is everybody was talking about how bad Carolina's rookie corners were to start the season, but by the end of the season they were doing much better. Plus he was a big reason Norman blew up too. From the looks of it he is a good teacher, which we could definitely use. I just don't know how well he would fare calling the entire defense.

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One guy that hasn't been mentioned but I think would make a great DC, Mike Vrabel.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162179]One guy that hasn't been mentioned but I think would make a great DC, Mike Vrabel.[/quote]

He's never coordinated a defense but that is an intriguing name. How could you not like that guy after Hard Knocks?

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/09/rams-to-interview-mike-vrabel-for-head-coaching-vacancy/]Rams to interview Mike Vrabel for head-coaching vacancy | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Bradley is reportedly the early favorite for DC job in Washington. If they get him, I hope he brings Jonathan Cyprien their Safety. He had 128 tackles this season.

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Anyone know how he rated? I've seen safeties have a lot of tackles before because it means that people were gashing them in the run game.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1162239]Anyone know how he rated? I've seen safeties have a lot of tackles before because it means that people were gashing them in the run game.[/quote]

It is hard to say how good he is in pass coverage. I would like to see more PD and interceptions. At least we know he can tackle, probably a big improvement over who we have now.

Update, here is a list of PFF ratings He has the same rating as Eric Berry.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-2017-free-agency-tracker/[/url]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/09/washington-interviews-mike-pettine-for-coordinator-job/]Washington interviews Mike Pettine for coordinator job | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I would not mind Pettine at all. Of all the names mentioned he'd be second after Wade to me. He has had some solid defenses at every stop, NY Jets, Buffalo, and Cleveland

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1162239]Anyone know how he rated? I've seen safeties have a lot of tackles before because it means that people were gashing them in the run game.[/quote]

This is the way I've always seen it. Safeties should be the last resort, if they are making lots of tackles it means your front end is getting burned. But I'll give him credit for at least making tackles, I've seen our safeties bouncing off enough players to know we can't take tackling for granted.

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Everything has been silent since the Redskins have interviewed Mike Pettine. I know Gruden wants to take his time and get this right, but there's a fine line between taking your time and allowing your best choices to slip out of your hands. He's gotta be somewhat aggressive in getting that position filled.

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[quote=metalskins;1162419]Everything has been silent since the Redskins have interviewed Mike Pettine. I know Gruden wants to take his time and get this right, but there's a fine line between taking your time and allowing your best choices to slip out of your hands. He's gotta be somewhat aggressive in getting that position filled.[/quote]

Once again Jay Gruden fails to effectively manage the clock!

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[quote=metalskins;1162419]Everything has been silent since the Redskins have interviewed Mike Pettine. I know Gruden wants to take his time and get this right, but there's a fine line between taking your time and allowing your best choices to slip out of your hands. He's gotta be somewhat aggressive in getting that position filled.[/quote]

I appreciate the due diligence. No need to rush the decision without even talking with all the candidates he may be interested in. Don't think they have even talked with Bradley yet, or Phillips (if they are interested - haven't hear that they are).

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[quote=ki skins fan;1162430]once again jay gruden fails to effectively manage the clock![/quote]

lol!!! :d

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1162437]I appreciate the due diligence. No need to rush the decision without even talking with all the candidates he may be interested in. Don't think they have even talked with Bradley yet, or Phillips (if they are interested - haven't hear that they are).[/quote]

That's what I mean. Do they even have anything scheduled with Bradley or Phillips yet? Probably not Phillips since things are still up in the air with Denver's head coaching spot. I'm all for the Redskins interviewing everyone that could essentially upgrade the defense, but I hope they're actually making an effort in getting these guys in for interviews. I know it's only been a week since they cut Barry and the others loose, but a lot can change within a week's time.

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[quote=metalskins;1162443]That's what I mean. Do they even have anything scheduled with Bradley or Phillips yet? Probably not Phillips since things are still up in the air with Denver's head coaching spot. I'm all for the Redskins interviewing everyone that could essentially upgrade the defense, but I hope they're actually making an effort in getting these guys in for interviews. I know it's only been a week since they cut Barry and the others loose, but a lot can change within a week's time.[/quote]

Can't assume that all the candidates the fans are interested in, or all the candidates Jay is interested in, even want a job with the Redskins. It's a two-way street, and like you said, it's only been about a week since most of their seasons ended. These guys all have lives, and schedules to work with, families to talk things over with...possibly other teams to reach out to. I'm fairly confident they are working in a methodical manner to improve the team as best they can. Give it a minute :joecool: