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Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
[quote=punch it in;1186429]Was going to say the same thing but Bortles didnt look terrible down the stretch. If I were the Jags Id take KC in a heart beat though.
You also got the Cardinals, Texans, maybe the Chiefs. Many like to call KC a game manager but he is not. I think Kansas City has had enough of game managing at the qb position. The Bills, Dolphins, Browns , Giants. Hell there are a ton of teams Cousins could take to the next level. Sorry Okie but I think there is a huge market. [B]Maybe next time you post you could not be such a fucking moron. [emoji23[/B]][/quote] Thank you, sir! May I have another? |
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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1186430]Good point. Alex Smith could give the Jags what they need every bit as much as Kirk Cousins could. Of course, the Jets or Denver could try to trade for Smith, as well.[/quote]
Yep so I wonder what Kirk is thinking. Smith Foles Keenum? ELI Bortles Could all be on the market and all for wayyyyyy cheaper |
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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1186430]Good point. Alex Smith could give the Jags what they need every bit as much as Kirk Cousins could. Of course, the Jets or Denver could try to trade for Smith, as well.[/QUOTE]
If i had two of the exact same teams coached by the same staff playing each other and the only difference was Cousins or Smith at quarterback- a controlled experiment if you will - I would take Cousins every day of the week and twice on Sundays. |
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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1186434]Yep so I wonder what Kirk is thinking.
Smith Foles Keenum? ELI Bortles Could all be on the market and all for wayyyyyy cheaper[/QUOTE] He should be thinking Smith, Bortles suck. (Bortles looked much better down the stretch though) Eli is on his way out soon, Foles looks great but he sort of fell into a perfect situation where their defense is going to take all the pressure off of you (no shootouts), and he has that “this is my chance - cant believe im back in philly going to the superbowl super adrenaline momentum thing going on. Keenum was a one year wonder - mark my words. |
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[quote=punch it in;1186437]He should be thinking Smith, Bortles suck. (Bortles looked much better down the stretch though) Eli is on his way out soon, Foles looks great but he sort of fell into a perfect situation where their defense is going to take all the pressure off of you (no shootouts), and he has that “this is my chance - cant believe im back in philly going to the superbowl super adrenaline momentum thing going on. Keenum was a one year wonder - mark my words.[/quote]
Alex smith is not bad man, take a look at his overall career numbers, you'd be surprised. |
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@JPFinlay
"Mason Rudolph met with the Redskins and it went great, his strength is a good deep ball" Mason Rudolph grew up a #Redskins fan and his parents are friends with Joe Gibbs’ son. Rudolph called playing in Washington “a childhood dream.” |
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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1186331]Not sure how it works but why would the Jets give up more than a six pack if Kirk can take $34 mil and then walk at the end of the season?[/quote]
The NFL is a year to year business. You make the trade if your Broncos, Browns, or Jets because as the head coach, you could be fired at the end of the year. Results Matter. The second reason is exclusivity. If I am the Jets or Browns, how confident am I that Kirk will really consider my offer. If we have him for a year it's possible he will like it and decide to stay. |
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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186434]Yep so I wonder what Kirk is thinking.
Smith Foles Keenum? ELI Bortles Could all be on the market and all for wayyyyyy cheaper[/quote] The Foles situation is interesting. The Eagles have worked his contract to where if Nick Foles is still on the Eagles' roster come 2019, then the last three years of his contract is void and he becomes a free agent. Which means it's extremely likely the Eagles try to trade him away this off season. No matter what he does in the Super Bowl, his stock is still going to be sky high in the offseason. Having said that, the Eagles would lose a solid backup/starter that they may need if Wentz is not ready for the start of next season. So, I will be very curious as to what happens with Nick Foles once the Super Bowl is done. The Eagles don't have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year from what I understand, so essentially, the Eagles could ask for that (or more) and get those picks back or even higher value, depending on the outcome of the Super Bowl. IF these quarterbacks that you have listed are shopped around or released to free agency, then you also add Bridgewater and Bradford to the list, well now, Kirk Cousins has a lot of hefty competition. There's guys who have won playoffs games and Super Bowls in this list, and Cousins hasn't won either. Cousins just might find his value not nearly as much as it looked to be prior to the offseason. Still doesn't mean he doesn't have options, but the Redskins would have options, and if they have to "over pay" for quarterback, who do you over pay? Your existing QB who knows the system, put up consistently great numbers, but has never won a playoff game, or a quarterback who has proven to have won playoff games, if not the Super Bowl, but maybe doesn't put up as great numbers? Honestly, for me, I don't care, if the QB gets you to a Super Bowl, I don't care how awful his numbers are. |
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[quote=metalskins;1186442]The Foles situation is interesting. The Eagles have worked his contract to where if Nick Foles is still on the Eagles' roster come 2019, then the last three years of his contract is void and he becomes a free agent. Which means it's extremely likely the Eagles try to trade him away this off season. No matter what he does in the Super Bowl, his stock is still going to be sky high in the offseason. Having said that, the Eagles would lose a solid backup/starter that they may need if Wentz is not ready for the start of next season. So, I will be very curious as to what happens with Nick Foles once the Super Bowl is done. The Eagles don't have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year from what I understand, so essentially, the Eagles could ask for that (or more) and get those picks back or even higher value, depending on the outcome of the Super Bowl.
IF these quarterbacks that you have listed are shopped around or released to free agency, then you also add Bridgewater and Bradford to the list, well now, Kirk Cousins has a lot of hefty competition. There's guys who have won playoffs games and Super Bowls in this list, and Cousins hasn't won either. Cousins just might find his value not nearly as much as it looked to be prior to the offseason. Still doesn't mean he doesn't have options, but the Redskins would have options, and if they have to "over pay" for quarterback, who do you over pay? Your existing QB who knows the system, put up consistently great numbers, but has never won a playoff game, or a quarterback who has proven to have won playoff games, if not the Super Bowl, but maybe doesn't put up as great numbers? Honestly, for me, I don't care, if the QB gets you to a Super Bowl,[B] I don't care how awful his numbers are.[/quote][/B] All of that is true For years we have starved for that QB to have 30 tds and 3500 yards passing, after the last 3 years having that I would def agree with you. I'd rather have a guy with 24 Tds and lean on a great run game and D like RW did those 2 SB's Seattle was in, a guy that makes plays in crunch time situations. Kirk has been labeled a "stat padder" by players and former players in the league, I don't know how true that is because the dude has to throw a damn lot but still. |
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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186440]@JPFinlay
"Mason Rudolph met with the Redskins and it went great, his strength is a good deep ball" Mason Rudolph grew up a #Redskins fan and his parents are friends with Joe Gibbs’ son. Rudolph called playing in Washington “a childhood dream.”[/quote] A buddy of mine who knows his football said this is the guy no one is talking about....legit prospect |
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[quote=Chico23231;1186444]A buddy of mine who knows his football said this is the guy no one is talking about....legit prospect[/quote]
Has a cannon and was in Bakers shadow (as far as Oklahoma College QBs) go, but after Weeden I dont know about OSU QB's |
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[quote=Chico23231;1186444]A buddy of mine who knows his football said this is the guy no one is talking about....legit prospect[/quote]
Just sounds like he should be a linebacker. Mason Rudolph, outside linebacker. As opposed to Mason Rudolph, quarterback. Then again, if he's good and the 'skins get him, then you can call him Napoleon Dynamite (Nick Foles) and I won't mind. |
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Wow look what I missed while I was doing work.
First, calling someone a moron is not a personal attack. A personal attack is going in on somebody in a very personal and sensitive way. Like if I knew that one of the posters here had an autistic child, and went in on them accusing them of subscribing to Jenny McCarthy's brand of anti-vaxx nonsense, that'd be over the line. That would be an attack of a very [B]personal[/B] and sensitive nature. Calling someone a moron does not qualify, and if you think it does, then may I submit that you're the one wearing the panties. Next, Matty does not show me special preferences or treatment. Look at my profile, he's disciplined me in the past. And he was right to do so in that circumstance. As for the subject matter, the spread of fake news - if you haven't noticed - is a real problem in our society. If you see fake news in the world of sports, it's not nearly the same kind of problem. Nevertheless, while the forum guidelines ask that we refrain from personal attacks, this site also brands itself as The Warpath: Redskins Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan. So if calling someone a moron is the price we pay for upholding the Knowledgeable portion of that - meaning sniffing out fake news when we see it and confronting it - then I think most members would find that sensible. The internet is full of places that proliferate fake news. We do not need to be one of them. That is in fact the very reason this site is so much better than other Redskins discussion sites. It's not about click bait here, it's about the membership. We're smarter than all the other boards, collectively. And if I can do something to uphold that on the boards, I will, even if it means chiding someone harshly. |
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As for Mason Rudolph, I like that Jay Gruden and Doug Williams were both former QBs. I think we've got the right people to make decisions on that position.
I don't know all that much about Rudolph, and I still hope it ends with keeping Kirk. I don't like that Allen and Snyder will have a say in whether we keep Cousins, but if we get rid of him, I do like that Jay and Doug are in position to pick the next one out of college. |
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[quote=Schneed10;1186454]As for Mason Rudolph, I like that Jay Gruden and Doug Williams were both former QBs. I think we've got the right people to make decisions on that position.
I don't know all that much about Rudolph, and I still hope it ends with keeping Kirk. I don't like that Allen and Snyder will have a say in whether we keep Cousins, but if we get rid of him, I do like that Jay and Doug are in position to [B]pick the next one out of college[/B].[/quote] I'd prefer Baker but Mason has a huge arm and grew up a skins fan so that is pretty cool. |
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[quote=Schneed10;1186453]Wow look what I missed while I was doing work.
[COLOR="Red"]First, calling someone a moron is not a personal attack.[/COLOR] A personal attack is going in on somebody in a very personal and sensitive way. Like if I knew that one of the posters here had an autistic child, and went in on them accusing them of subscribing to Jenny McCarthy's brand of anti-vaxx nonsense, that'd be over the line. That would be an attack of a very [B]personal[/B] and sensitive nature. Calling someone a moron does not qualify, and if you think it does, then may I submit that you're the one wearing the panties. Next, Matty does not show me special preferences or treatment. Look at my profile, he's disciplined me in the past. And he was right to do so in that circumstance. As for the subject matter, the spread of fake news - if you haven't noticed - is a real problem in our society. If you see fake news in the world of sports, it's not nearly the same kind of problem. Nevertheless, while the forum guidelines ask that we refrain from personal attacks, this site also brands itself as The Warpath: Redskins Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan. So if calling someone a moron is the price we pay for upholding the Knowledgeable portion of that - meaning sniffing out fake news when we see it and confronting it - then I think most members would find that sensible. The internet is full of places that proliferate fake news. We do not need to be one of them. That is in fact the very reason this site is so much better than other Redskins discussion sites. It's not about click bait here, it's about the membership. We're smarter than all the other boards, collectively. And if I can do something to uphold that on the boards, I will, even if it means chiding someone harshly.[/quote] What a load of horseshit..... [COLOR="Red"]And OJ was innocent.[/COLOR] |
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[quote=Alvin Walton;1186458]What a load of horseshit.....
[COLOR="Red"]And OJ was innocent.[/COLOR][/quote] For the record it was [B]fucking[/B] moron. Which is different then just saying moron. |
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[quote=Schneed10;1186453]Wow look what I missed while I was doing work.
First, calling someone a moron is not a personal attack. A personal attack is going in on somebody in a very personal and sensitive way. Like if I knew that one of the posters here had an autistic child, and went in on them accusing them of subscribing to Jenny McCarthy's brand of anti-vaxx nonsense, that'd be over the line. That would be an attack of a very [B]personal[/B] and sensitive nature. Calling someone a moron does not qualify, and if you think it does, then may I submit that you're the one wearing the panties. Next, Matty does not show me special preferences or treatment. Look at my profile, he's disciplined me in the past. And he was right to do so in that circumstance. As for the subject matter, the spread of fake news - if you haven't noticed - is a real problem in our society. If you see fake news in the world of sports, it's not nearly the same kind of problem. Nevertheless, while the forum guidelines ask that we refrain from personal attacks, this site also brands itself as The Warpath: Redskins Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan. So if calling someone a moron is the price we pay for upholding the Knowledgeable portion of that - meaning sniffing out fake news when we see it and confronting it - then I think most members would find that sensible. The internet is full of places that proliferate fake news. We do not need to be one of them. That is in fact the very reason this site is so much better than other Redskins discussion sites. It's not about click bait here, it's about the membership. We're smarter than all the other boards, collectively. And if I can do something to uphold that on the boards, I will, even if it means chiding someone harshly.[/quote] "[I]Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul[/I]." |
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[url]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem[/url]
Definition of*ad hominem 1:*appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an*ad hominem*argument 2:*marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made*made an*ad hominem*personal attack on his rival Calling someone a moron is by definition a personal attack. It is simply the act of attacking the person rather than their statement or argument that makes it so. It has nothing to do with your knowledge of their personal life. For example, If I called you a son of a bitch, that would be a personal attack regardless of my knowledge of your parentage. The point is, one ought to focus on addressing the validity of a statement and not insulting the person making it. Schneed for future reference, a more appropriate response may have been to say, "you posting this moronic unfounded piece of shit pisses me off." I am available for further coaching at a modest hourly rate. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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Pussies. This site is chock full of pussies. When did this happen?
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[quote=mredskins;1186459]For the record it was [B]fucking[/B] moron.
Which is different then just saying moron.[/quote] [IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q3En0PMapAg/hqdefault.jpg[/IMG] |
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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1186425]I like your poll idea. [B]Anybody who picks #4[/B] had better watch out for the wrath of Schneed.
p.s. Based on FO's history with Kirk's contract, whatever the FO decides to do iwill probably be far stupider than anything we could think of as a poll question.[/quote] If any team would actually be stupid enough to let their franchise qb walk with no compensation, I would bet that it would be us. Spare Baltimore (which had to pay Flacco because he won a SB) there are very few teams out there that got wrecked by signing their franchise qb. Somehow we managed to turn this into a debate about whether we could improve the team while also paying a qb market rate. If our FO can't improve the team without signing a good qb they don't deserve to run the team. |
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[quote=Schneed10;1186467]Pussies. This site is chock full of pussies. When did this happen?[/quote]
Lol... I guess I shouldn’t be laughing, look at my avatar |
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[quote=mooby;1186470]If any team would actually be stupid enough to let their franchise qb walk with no compensation, I would bet that it would be us. Spare Baltimore (which had to pay Flacco because he won a SB) there are very few teams out there that got wrecked by signing their franchise qb. Somehow we managed to turn this into a debate about whether we could improve the team while also paying a qb market rate. [B]If our FO can't improve the team without signing a good qb they don't deserve to run the team.[/B][/quote]
Perfectly said |
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Only a moron would say calling someone a moron isn't a personal attack.
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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1186453]Wow look what I missed while I was doing work.
First, calling someone a moron is not a personal attack. A personal attack is going in on somebody in a very personal and sensitive way. Like if I knew that one of the posters here had an autistic child, and went in on them accusing them of subscribing to Jenny McCarthy's brand of anti-vaxx nonsense, that'd be over the line. That would be an attack of a very [B]personal[/B] and sensitive nature. Calling someone a moron does not qualify, and if you think it does, then may I submit that you're the one wearing the panties. Next, Matty does not show me special preferences or treatment. Look at my profile, he's disciplined me in the past. And he was right to do so in that circumstance. As for the subject matter, the spread of fake news - if you haven't noticed - is a real problem in our society. If you see fake news in the world of sports, it's not nearly the same kind of problem. Nevertheless, while the forum guidelines ask that we refrain from personal attacks, this site also brands itself as The Warpath: Redskins Discussion for the Knowledgeable Fan. So if calling someone a moron is the price we pay for upholding the Knowledgeable portion of that - meaning sniffing out fake news when we see it and confronting it - then I think most members would find that sensible. The internet is full of places that proliferate fake news. We do not need to be one of them. That is in fact the very reason this site is so much better than other Redskins discussion sites. It's not about click bait here, it's about the membership. We're smarter than all the other boards, collectively. And if I can do something to uphold that on the boards, I will, even if it means chiding someone harshly.[/QUOTE] In all fairness it was “fucking” moron |
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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1186454]As for Mason Rudolph, I like that Jay Gruden and Doug Williams were both former QBs. I think we've got the right people to make decisions on that position.
I don't know all that much about Rudolph, and I still hope it ends with keeping Kirk. I don't like that Allen and Snyder will have a say in whether we keep Cousins, but if we get rid of him, I do like that Jay and Doug are in position to pick the next one out of college.[/QUOTE] You honestly do not think snyder and allen have a say in KC staying or going? Are u trying to play dumb to make us all feel better? Lol |
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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1186467]Pussies. This site is chock full of pussies. When did this happen?[/QUOTE]
See now that is funny. But ur comment to okie was dickish. And dickish is never funny. [emoji22] |
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Best thread ever.....
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[quote=Schneed10;1186467]Pussies. This site is chock full of pussies. When did this happen?[/quote]
Dude, do you kick your fucking dog when you come home? The post about Cousins was off, but it ain't that big a deal. Just call it fake news and be done with it. Your blood pressure must be through the damn roof. And to top it off you think that calling someone a fucking moron isn't a personal attack?? LOL. What delusional world does your ass live in? Go up and say that shit to someone's face and see the response you get, and judge whether it's a personal attack or not. You're nothing but a keyboard bully. |
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Seen Schneed10 getting some hate on here. I'm not trying to take any sides but S10 is a good poster, his stuff is well thought out and in general he doesn't post any knee-jerk stuff. I have felt his wrath before but the truth is, i'm better for it because whenever he would call me out I posted crazy stuff and was just doing the knee jerk reaction crap. I'd like to think i am more thought out now with my posts, so I thank him for that.
The cousins situation is a serious one. I think for the first time in a great while we have a legit Franchise QB that we have developed, and it is a little scary that we might be letting him go, maybe for nothing. That alone is horrifying but like others have said, only the redskins can be trusted to screw something up of this magnitude. I will hold my breath and hope with cautious optimism that we end up getting to sign Kirk and finally ending all this madness. |
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[quote=punch it in;1186490]You honestly do not think snyder and allen have a say in KC staying or going? Are u trying to play dumb to make us all feel better? Lol[/quote]
Dan and Bruce like Kirk. But they want a guy that's sexy. They want a guy that can bring the fans back. That ain't Cousins. |
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[quote=SolidSnake84;1186498]Seen Schneed10 getting some hate on here. I'm not trying to take any sides [B]but S10 is a good poster, his stuff is well thought out and in general he doesn't post any knee-jerk stuff. I have [/B]felt his wrath before but the truth is, i'm better for it because whenever he would call me out I posted crazy stuff and was just doing the knee jerk reaction crap. I'd like to think i am more thought out now with my posts, so I thank him for that.
The cousins situation is a serious one. I think for the first time in a great while we have a legit Franchise QB that we have developed, and it is a little scary that we might be letting him go, maybe for nothing. That alone is horrifying but like others have said, only the redskins can be trusted to screw something up of this magnitude. I will hold my breath and hope with cautious optimism that we end up getting to sign Kirk and finally ending all this madness.[/quote] I agree but the name calling gets old. |
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[quote=skinsfan69;1186499]Dan and Bruce like Kirk. But they want a guy that's sexy. They want a guy that can bring the fans back. That ain't Cousins.[/quote]
And that's why they are (dare I say it on this thread?) morons, because [U]winning is sexy[/U] and he can help us win. Is he a HOF QB? Maybe not, but is he better than anyone we've had in a couple of decades? Absolutely. Relying on the draft here is completely rolling the dice that you'll do better, and that hasn't exactly worked for us, even with 1st round picks (see, e.g., Shuler, Ramsey, Campbell, RGIII). Offer him a fair contract that says we want him to stay, and negotiate responsibly. If it works out, great. If not, you did what you had to do having made the decisions you've made for the last two offseasons which you now cannot change. |
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Simple rule of life, don’t be a dick.
And don’t share fake news. |
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[quote=punch it in;1186490]You honestly do not think snyder and allen have a say in KC staying or going? Are u trying to play dumb to make us all feel better? Lol[/quote]
You don't read so well. Go back and reread. I said the opposite of what you thought I said. |
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[quote=skinsfan69;1186497]Dude, do you kick your fucking dog when you come home? The post about Cousins was off, but it ain't that big a deal. Just call it fake news and be done with it. Your blood pressure must be through the damn roof. And to top it off you think that calling someone a fucking moron isn't a personal attack?? LOL. What delusional world does your ass live in? Go up and say that shit to someone's face and see the response you get, and judge whether it's a personal attack or not. You're nothing but a keyboard bully.[/quote]
You. Are. A. Pussy. And a moron. Just imagine I'm right in front of you, and pointing at my chin. Because that's what I'd do. |
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1186499]Dan and Bruce like Kirk. But they want a guy that's sexy. They want a guy that can bring the fans back. That ain't Cousins.[/QUOTE]
Didnt say they want him or not. Said they have a say. |
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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1186504]You don't read so well. Go back and reread. I said the opposite of what you thought I said.[/QUOTE]
My bad. Thought u lost ur mind. |
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What an action packed thread today:
"For example, If I called you a son of a bitch, that would be a personal attack regardless of my knowledge of your parentage." LMAO!! "Dude, do you kick your fucking dog when you come home?" LMAO!! |
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