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Unless AS is in the top 10, it appears he didn't make the cut for top100, How is that possible?? Dude was lights out last yr and has been consistent for a long time now.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195837]Unless AS is in the top 10, it appears he didn't make the cut for top100, How is that possible?? Dude was lights out last yr and has been consistent for a long time now.[/quote]

the top 100 is voted on by the players. I was talking to my son, there is no way the players watch all the games, and it gets to be very much a reiteration of the media darlings. AS last year got lots of publicity, but all wrapped around his supporting cast. He just did his job and didn't get much more credit than his game manager title allowed.

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The top 100 list is so random and all over the place. Nothing to take seriously that’s for sure.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195837]Unless AS is in the top 10, it appears he didn't make the cut for top100, How is that possible?? Dude was lights out last yr and has been consistent for a long time now.[/quote]

he very well could be in that top 10 because of the year he had last year - but - i havent been keeping up on the list too much to know who he would be battling against to land in that range

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[quote=Meks;1195841]he very well could be in that top 10 because of the year he had last year - but - i havent been keeping up on the list too much to know who he would be battling against to land in that range[/quote]

I looked at the last 2 years he was #81, with lower passer rating and TD's , yards. So maybe he will be top 10.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1195839]The top 100 list is so random and all over the place. Nothing to take seriously that’s for sure.[/QUOTE]



One of the most ridiculous rankings in all of sports history. I honestly do not even think the players understand it is a year to year and not a career achievement list. Terrible.

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/20/report-jameis-winston-braces-for-a-suspension/[/url]

Man this guy isn't the brightest clearly

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195878][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/20/report-jameis-winston-braces-for-a-suspension/[/url]

Man this guy isn't the brightest clearly[/quote]

This idiot had hundreds of red flags...yet its easier to look the other way.

He has the talent...maturity is still an issue. He's the type if you bring it up...he aint gonna listen. You can tell he's the type of person who has never gotten his ass kicked...he needs to be humbled...may change his demeanor.

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[url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-cowboys-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1195963][url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-cowboys-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url][/quote]

Haha this made me laugh, love a.good thrashing. But i think the WE corps will surprise this writer.

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[url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-giants-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1195969][url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-giants-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url][/quote]


Lol he made valid points about Cowboys and Giants.. I'm curious to see what he will write about Redskins.

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I'm not high on the Giants, like I said before , still have an old Eli and a defense that lost good players. They wont be terrible but I dont see 9 wins.

Dallas Defense is legit, esp in the secondary but that Offense is so predictable, they are the "Jason Campbell - CP" Style O without Moss and Cooley.

Eagles will win the East again, too talented of a roster and Foles is great in that system so Wentz has no rush back.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1195970]Lol he made valid points about Cowboys and Giants.. I'm curious to see what he will write about Redskins.[/QUOTE]


I’ll give it a shot, Reed can’t stay healthy, Doctson is unproven, the defense will still stink, the offensive line can’t stay healthy, Smith isn’t an improvement over Cousins.

I think that’s a good start.

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He needs to take the picture of dandelion tissue paper Sean Lee and just swap out the head for Jordan Reed.

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Yeah you can point to plenty:

- Losing Fuller and relying on Dunbar and Scandrick will be inadequate.

- Montae Nicholson's promising start to his career could easily be derailed by concussion concerns.

- Alex Smith can't replicate the deep ball game he had last season without Tyreke Hill.

- Jay Gruden still has not consistently proven that he can manage 2-minute and late game situations effectively.

- Jordan Reed cannot stay on the field.

- With no fullback and no improvement in the in-line run blocking from the TE position, there's little reason to believe the Redskins will block better in short yardage running situations. Guice should help here though, to be fair.

So yeah there are plenty of question marks - if there weren't we'd be the Patriots. But it's impossible for the defensive line to be anything but miles better. And even if we struggle to stay healthy in a few spots, it's nearly impossible to have lightning strike again with injuries to the extent it did last year. No matter how you cut it, we should not be a dumpster fire, and it's hard to see any scenario where we're not better than last year's 7-9 record.

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[quote=Schneed10;1195976]Yeah you can point to plenty:

- Losing Fuller and relying on Dunbar and Scandrick will be inadequate.

- Montae Nicholson's promising start to his career could easily be derailed by concussion concerns.

- [B]Alex Smith can't replicate the deep ball game he had last season without Tyreke Hill.[/B]

- Jay Gruden still has not consistently proven that he can manage 2-minute and late game situations effectively.

- Jordan Reed cannot stay on the field.

- With no fullback and no improvement in the in-line run blocking from the TE position, there's little reason to believe the Redskins will block better in short yardage running situations. Guice should help here though, to be fair.

So yeah there are plenty of question marks - if there weren't we'd be the Patriots. But it's impossible for the defensive line to be anything but miles better. And even if we struggle to stay healthy in a few spots, it's nearly impossible to have lightning strike again with injuries to the extent it did last year. No matter how you cut it, we should not be a dumpster fire, and it's hard to see any scenario where we're not better than last year's 7-9 record.[/quote]


Still led the league QB rating throwing deep not targeting Hill

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[quote=Schneed10;1195976]Yeah you can point to plenty:

- Losing Fuller and relying on Dunbar and Scandrick will be inadequate.

- Montae Nicholson's promising start to his career could easily be derailed by concussion concerns.

- Alex Smith can't replicate the deep ball game he had last season without Tyreke Hill.

- Jay Gruden still has not consistently proven that he can manage 2-minute and late game situations effectively.

- Jordan Reed cannot stay on the field.

- With no fullback and no improvement in the in-line run blocking from the TE position, there's little reason to believe the Redskins will block better in short yardage running situations. Guice should help here though, to be fair.

So yeah there are plenty of question marks - if there weren't we'd be the Patriots. But it's impossible for the defensive line to be anything but miles better. And even if we struggle to stay healthy in a few spots, it's nearly impossible to have lightning strike again with injuries to the extent it did last year. [B]No matter how you cut it, we should not be a dumpster fire, and it's hard to see any scenario where we're not better than last year's 7-9 record.[/B][/quote]

Honestly, we were 7 and 9 last year with all the injuries, and still were a couple of plays away from 10-6 (Saints game should've been won, Chiefs would've been won had Doctson held on to the ball, Vikings and Giants were one possession games...), so with a better DL, an improved backfield and in all likely hood less injuries, there's no reason why we can't [I]expect[/I] a better season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195972]I'm not high on the Giants, like I said before , still have an old Eli and a defense that lost good players. They wont be terrible but I dont see 9 wins.

Dallas Defense is legit, esp in the secondary but that Offense is so predictable, they are the "Jason Campbell - CP" Style O without Moss and Cooley.

Eagles will win the East again, too talented of a roster and Foles is great in that system so Wentz has no rush back.[/quote]

Giants will be better, just how much remains to be seen. They have made some good moves on the Offensive side of the ball but I will admit Eli has used his get out of jail free card....he must play better and yes they like Webb ,a lot.
Defense is a blank canvas ,I have no idea what to expect we lost some people but got some good ones all so. To me the Giants have to much "newness" ,players ,coach's,play books on the O and D hard to go all the way with that. As always you hope the injury bug isn't as bad as it was last year.

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[quote=MTK;1195969][url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-giants-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url][/quote]

Problem is he has based a lot on things and people not there anymore .Defense stunk last year but it was great the year before ....what does that tell you,this guys is a hack.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195979]Still led the league QB rating throwing deep not targeting Hill[/quote]

But Hill still impacts the defense even when he's not targeted. Secondaries are forced to honor not only the deep threat he represents but the sudden quicks he has on slants and digs.

I think Richardson and Reed combine to represent the same or similar threat that Hill and Kelce represented in KC, personally. But for the purposes of playing devil's advocate and making the case that Smith will be challenged to replicate his success from last year, I don't think you can wave Hill aside as a non-factor when Smith was targeting someone else.

It's the same phenomenon as Crowder's 2016 season. Reed and Jackson opened up so much space for Crowder to operate in the slot.

I think Richardson and Reed, if healthy, will do pretty much the same thing.

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Janoris Jenkins has got a problem.


[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/us/dead-body-janoris-jenkins-home/index.html[/url]


CNN)A body discovered Tuesday at a New Jersey home associated with NFL player Janoris Jenkins has been identified as a 25-year-old man who had been living at the residence, prosecutors said.

Roosevelt Rene was a family friend of the residents of the home in Fair Lawn, north of Newark, according to acting Bergen County Prosecutor Dennis Calo.
The cause and manner of Rene's death has yet to be determined by the Bergen County Medical Examiner's Office, Calo's statement said.

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Our turn

[url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-redskins-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1196020] ... I think Richardson and Reed, [B]if healthy,[/B] will do pretty much the same thing.[/quote]

Agree entirely with the non-quoted portion of the post. Nothing to add on that front. Really, given the off-season additions and there anticipated contributions (Payne, Guice, Richardson, Smith) so much of this season is going to be "wait and see."

As to the "if healthy" aspect, to me, that is the single most important factor. Yes, they had lots of issues last year in terms of running the ball and stopping the run, BUT, if not for the injuries, particularly along the two lines, I think they get three wins more and go to the playoffs.

This year, IF HEALTHY, I think we are a 10 win team even if Smith regresses, Payne and Guice play like rookies and Richardson is not the WR hoped for. I believe that our starters are talented enough to win consistently and the Gruden has grown as a coach. However, while I think our depth, particularly along the D-Line, is better, another year of injuries to the O-line and RB corp like last year will prevent us from having a winning season.

To me, and with few exceptions, injuries are the most significant random factor year to year when it comes to any team's win / loss record.

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[quote=MTK;1196026]Our turn

[url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-redskins-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url][/quote]

.....to say the Alex Smith trade was dumb is borderline ignorant, like I said he's a hack.

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[quote=Schneed10;1196020]But Hill still impacts the defense even when he's not targeted. Secondaries are forced to honor not only the deep threat he represents but the sudden quicks he has on slants and digs.

I think Richardson and Reed combine to represent the same or similar threat that Hill and Kelce represented in KC, personally. But for the purposes of playing devil's advocate and making the case that Smith will be challenged to replicate his success from last year, I don't think you can wave Hill aside as a non-factor when Smith was targeting someone else.

It's the same phenomenon as Crowder's 2016 season. Reed and Jackson opened up so much space for Crowder to operate in the slot.

I think Richardson and Reed, if healthy, will do pretty much the same thing.[/quote]

No doubt, Hill is a nightmare to cover.

Here is a nice stat on Reed

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgtHe6pW4AEu8SR.jpg:large[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1196026]Our turn

[url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-redskins-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url][/quote]

Welp, he got the first thing right.


the most obvious is....well the most obvious too me:

1. Couldn't stop the run
2. Couldn't run the ball

We can say it anyway you want....but we better be able to fuckin run the ball with Alex Smith.

The defense was gashed against the run mainly due to A) No Nose Tackle and B) Injuries to LB and Dline

The Defense has been fixed....the run the ball offense...yet to be seen. Guice, Oline and Jay's scheme need to show it on the field before I say everything is in place. NOT sold

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196029].....to say the Alex Smith trade was dumb is borderline ignorant, like I said he's a hack.[/QUOTE]


He’s writing these from a worst case, glass completely empty approach

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[quote=MTK;1196026]Our turn

[url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-redskins-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url][/quote]

Actually I can't argue with most of it. He's careful to note in #6 that it was hard to come up with 10 reasons why the Skins would be really bad, but he notes that we lack impact star players, so we're capped at 'good', not 'great'.

He's right - the guys we need to be impact players haven't arrived yet. But the first round picks from the last two years - J Allen and D Payne - will have a shot to prove it. Guice will have a shot to prove it. Doctson will have more 50/50 balls coming at him.

We're likely to be better than last season, but to be anything better than 'decent' we need several guys to break through. I still think it's possible, given the talent level of J Allen, D Payne, and D Guice.

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And #10 is funny and sad at the same time.

[QUOTE][B]10) And let me check real quick if Dan Snyder is still the owner.[/B]

Yep.[/QUOTE]

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[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23916802/police-investigating-body-discovered-home-new-york-giants-cb-janoris-jenkins]Police investigating after body discovered at home of New York Giants CB Janoris Jenkins[/url]

this seems normal

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[quote=Chico23231;1196037][url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23916802/police-investigating-body-discovered-home-new-york-giants-cb-janoris-jenkins]Police investigating after body discovered at home of New York Giants CB Janoris Jenkins[/url]

this seems normal[/quote]


Post #182

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[quote=Giantone;1196038]Post #182[/quote]

Sorry, I had to post a more reliable source.

Strangled out...not a good look

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[quote=Chico23231;1196039]Sorry, I had to post a more reliable source.

Strangled out...not a good look[/quote]

No you didn't ,like trump you can't admit when you're not in the know.

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[quote=Giantone;1196029].....to say the Alex Smith trade was dumb is borderline ignorant, like I said he's a hack.[/quote]

Thanks for sharing, saves me the time of having to read the whole article.

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I enjoyed the article in view of it's premise which he openly stated in his introductory paragraphs, as follows:

[I]"This week, all week long, we're taking a [B]brutal[/B] look at each of the teams in the NFC East, in detail. The first target on Monday was the mired-in-mediocrity Dallas Cowboys. On Tuesday, we roasted the garbage Giants. Today we'll tackle the always dysfunctional Washington Redskins.

"To note, [B]we will not be talking about the positives[/B] of any of the Eagles' NFC East rivals, [B]because, well, that's no fun[/B]. [B]This will be 100 percent vitriolic. [/B]And yes, we'll (try to) torch the Eagles at the end of the series as well, though again, I'm not sure exactly how just yet."[/I]

The caption on the photo of Bruce Allen is worth seeing.

He also slipped up and said some positive things about the Skins.

Bottom line, he has a good argument, if a bit skewed, on all ten of his points.

This article is aimed at the author's local readers, so it is infused with a typical Philly smart-ass, put-down, insulting flavor.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1196077]I enjoyed the article in view of it's premise which he openly stated in his introductory paragraphs, as follows:

[I]"This week, all week long, we're taking a brutal look at each of the teams in the NFC East, in detail. The first target on Monday was the mired-in-mediocrity Dallas Cowboys. On Tuesday, we roasted the garbage Giants. Today we'll tackle the always dysfunctional Washington Redskins.

"To note, we will not be talking about the positives of any of the Eagles' NFC East rivals, because, well, that's no fun. This will be 100 percent vitriolic. And yes, we'll (try to) torch the Eagles at the end of the series as well, though again, I'm not sure exactly how just yet."[/I]

The caption on the photo of Bruce Allen is worth seeing.

He also slipped up and said some positive things about the Skins.

Bottom line, he has a good argument, if a bit skewed, on all ten of his points.

[B]This article is aimed at the author's local readers, so it is infused with a typical Philly smart-ass, put-down, insulting flavor.[/B][/quote]

And this board wonders where I get it from :laughing2

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[url]http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-eagles-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2018/[/url]

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I like this guy he seems to understand the big picture for the players.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/russell-okung-argues-nfl-guaranteed-contracts-will-players-strike-get-185924289.html[/url]


Russell Okung argues for NFL guaranteed contracts, but will players strike to get them?

When you take a step back, it’s astounding that NFL players have so few guaranteed contracts.

We all know how the game works by now. The team and player (and his agent) announce some ridiculously large contract terms, but the player actually sees a fraction of that total because the deal isn’t fully guaranteed. An NFL player can be cut loose on a whim, while MLB or NBA players are in a far less dangerous sport and don’t have a worry about their contracts. The NFL is the most popular sport in America and has far more physical danger than basketball or baseball, yet operates without the guaranteed contracts that are standard in MLB and NBA.

Los Angeles Chargers offensive tackle Russell Okung, a NFLPA vice president who has long been a thoughtful voice for players’ rights, detailed in a long Twitter thread exactly why players need to fight for guaranteed deals. His points came as NBA players are signing the type of huge, guaranteed deals that NFL players should have secured a long time ago.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1196210]I like this guy he seems to understand the big picture for the players.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/russell-okung-argues-nfl-guaranteed-contracts-will-players-strike-get-185924289.html[/url]


Russell Okung argues for NFL guaranteed contracts, but will players strike to get them?

When you take a step back, it’s astounding that NFL players have so few guaranteed contracts.

We all know how the game works by now. The team and player (and his agent) announce some ridiculously large contract terms, but the player actually sees a fraction of that total because the deal isn’t fully guaranteed. An NFL player can be cut loose on a whim, while MLB or NBA players are in a far less dangerous sport and don’t have a worry about their contracts. The NFL is the most popular sport in America and has far more physical danger than basketball or baseball, yet operates without the guaranteed contracts that are standard in MLB and NBA.

Los Angeles Chargers offensive tackle Russell Okung, a NFLPA vice president who has long been a thoughtful voice for players’ rights, detailed in a long Twitter thread exactly why players need to fight for guaranteed deals. His points came as NBA players are signing the type of huge, guaranteed deals that NFL players should have secured a long time ago.[/QUOTE]I've always thought it was really strange that NFL players' contracts contain so little guaranteed money, I wasn't aware this wasn't the case in other American sports, do you guys know if there's any "historical" explanation of this discrepancy ?

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