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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1209419]I want Bruce gone and Doug to actually have the GM label. BSmithersA offers absolutely nothing positive to this franchise.[/QUOTE]



I think our entire health and conditioning department needs to go too. Way too many injuries.


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1209424]I think our entire health and conditioning department needs to go too. Way too many injuries.


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How are they responsible for torn knees, broken ribs, compound fractures, high ankle sprains or pectoral tears? It’s called bad luck.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1209427]How are they responsible for torn knees, broken ribs, compound fractures, high ankle sprains or pectoral tears? It’s called bad luck.[/QUOTE]Yea. Englehart is a top tier s&c coach.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1209428]Yea. Englehart is a top tier s&c coach.

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We need to fire someone!!!


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1209427]How are they responsible for torn knees, broken ribs, compound fractures, high ankle sprains or pectoral tears? It’s called bad luck.[/quote]

As far as O-Line injuries go, wasn't it speculated by some that Bill Callahan was just "too hard" on the guys? Now for sure they don't want to do cream puff practices but could there be any truth to it?

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1209432]As far as O-Line injuries go, wasn't it speculated by some that Bill Callahan was just "too hard" on the guys? Now for sure they don't want to do cream puff practices but could there be any truth to it?[/QUOTE]



Someone needs to be hard on these guys. Who’s our secondary coach? Does he just diddle himself all day? I never hear anything about that guy and our secondary is atrocious. By the way Swearinger talks, you’d think he was a player and the secondary coach.


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[quote=SolidSnake84;1209432]As far as O-Line injuries go, wasn't it speculated by some that Bill Callahan was just "too hard" on the guys? Now for sure they don't want to do cream puff practices but could there be any truth to it?[/quote]

How do you explain someone rolling on your knee and tearing your ACL, tearing your pectoral muscle? This has nothing to do with conditioning, Redskins players are not the only NFL players to suffer this type of injuries.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1209434]How do you explain someone rolling on your knee and tearing your ACL, tearing your pectoral muscle? This has nothing to do with conditioning, Redskins players are not the only NFL players to suffer this type of injuries.[/QUOTE]



No they are not. But when you are an average to below average team with little depth those injuries stand out big time. We aren’t exactly at the plug and play level, and even if we had that kind of depth Jay Gruden could never get them ready to play. Good teams with good coaching staffs and or good quarterbacks can mask injuries alot easier. Shit Tom Brady went down and the Pats finished 11-5. Big Ben went down and the Steelers trucked through it. The Packers lost half their team a few years ago and they were A - OK. Eagles lost Wentz - superbowl. Because they have a strong foundation. The Skins lose a stud or two and they get exposed. So until we got a FO and a coaching staff that can overcome that shit we will flounder. It isn’t about conditioning it is about preparedness. 53 players. Depth. When 35-40 of those 53 are meh a team is in deep doo doo. Couple that with the fact that your Coaching staff is sub par and forget it. They don’t buy in to the system like they do with strong successful teams.

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[quote=punch it in;1209435]No they are not. But when you are an average to below average team with little depth those injuries stand out big time. We aren’t exactly at the plug and play level, and even if we had that kind of depth Jay Gruden could never get them ready to play. Good teams with good coaching staffs and or good quarterbacks can mask injuries alot easier. Shit Tom Brady went down and the Pats finished 11-5. Big Ben went down and the Steelers trucked through it. The Packers lost half their team a few years ago and they were A - OK. Eagles lost Wentz - superbowl. Because they have a strong foundation. The Skins lose a stud or two and they get exposed. So until we got a FO and a coaching staff that can overcome that shit we will flounder. It isn’t about conditioning it is about preparedness. 53 players. Depth. When 35-40 of those 53 are meh a team is in deep doo doo. Couple that with the fact that your Coaching staff is sub par and forget it. They don’t buy in to the system like they do with strong successful teams.[/quote]

When you lose 2 OG, 2RB, 2WR, QB, LT for a few games you are going to suffer no matter who you are. Guice projected starter, Thompson key offensive weapon, Scherff and Williams pro-bowlers, your key slot receiver, highly paid FA acquisition WR. I say shitty luck.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1209424]I think our entire health and conditioning department needs to go too. Way too many injuries.


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That's harder to assess but a new coach usually involves a new S&C coach so I'd think that's a part of it.

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The security attendants, the hotdog vendors, and ushers....all fired now. Fuckem

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1209433]Someone needs to be hard on these guys. Who’s our secondary coach? Does he just diddle himself all day? I never hear anything about that guy and our secondary is atrocious. By the way Swearinger talks, you’d think he was a player and the secondary coach.


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The secondary coach can't stop Moreau from playing like a pussy. He was in position on the 90 yarder. All he had to do was turn his head around and he probably could've made a play on the ball. The guy has no ball skills.

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Well then, it goes back to our poor ass decision makers and leadership. They should have kept Breeland, or brought him back for cheap when they had the chance.

Instead, they let him go for unproven players to save a buck, and held on to a overpaid, lazy Norman who it appears DJ is starting to call out.

By the way, how’s Clinton Dix doing? How’s Cooper doing in Dallas, the guy we really needed, but didn’t grab who ended up TORCHING us on national tv while the guy we took instead of him (Clinton Dix) did NOTHING. Ironic...

All of their piss poor decisions have led to this. Allen, Gruden, and Doug WIlliams need to go, and a real/competent GM needs to be promoted or hired.

This team has had no continued success, continuity, or real leadership since Gibbs 25 fucking years ago. Our closest chance was Shannahan, but Snyder and RG3 fucked that. Dumpster juice every year this team turns out to be.


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[quote=Chico23231;1209439]The security attendants, the hotdog vendors, and ushers....all fired now. Fuckem[/quote]

Don't forget the beer vendors those officious pricks charge an arm and a leg for a beverage.

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Fact is, Gruden has been here almost 5 years, and has a 34-40 record, one division title he barely won at 9-7, and has ZERO playoff wins. He was ALLEN’S hand pick.

TIME FOR HIM AND ALLEN TO GO. I’d support Snyder firing Gruden now and promoting Bill Callahan, firing Allen and promoting Brian Lafemina to VP, and promoting Eric Shaffer to GM.

Then chose between Callahan or Saints Offensive Coordinator Pete Carmicheal as our next HC during the off-season


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1209436]When you lose 2 OG, 2RB, 2WR, QB, LT for a few games you are going to suffer no matter who you are. Guice projected starter, Thompson key offensive weapon, Scherff and Williams pro-bowlers, your key slot receiver, highly paid FA acquisition WR. I say shitty luck.[/quote]

I think it is more than luck. Going back to 2014 the Redskins have been at the bottom in terms of adjusted games lost:

2014 they lost 89.5 games and were ranked 24th
2015 they lost 119.1 games and were ranked 31st
2016 they lost 99.0 games and ranked 25th
2017 they lost 121.0 games and ranked 32nd

Very few teams were as bad as us over the last four years. Could it be luck? sure, but I think there are other factors at play here. Losing this much time for this long of a period is a trend.

[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/2015-adjusted-games-lost[/url]

[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-adjusted-games-lost[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1209445]I think it is more than luck. Going back to 2014 the Redskins have been at the bottom in terms of adjusted games lost:

2014 they lost 89.5 games and were ranked 24th
2015 they lost 119.1 games and were ranked 31st
2016 they lost 99.0 games and ranked 25th
2017 they lost 121.0 games and ranked 32nd

Very few teams were as bad as us over the last four years. Could it be luck? sure, but I think there are other factors at play here. Losing this much time for this long of a period is a trend.

[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/2015-adjusted-games-lost[/url]

[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-adjusted-games-lost[/url][/quote]

Glad somebody was able to find that, I was wondering if such statistics existed. Pretty obvious to me those numbers point to more than coincidence. What factors are involved who knows, while many injuries are unpreventable some are. Are the Redskins taking too many players with injury histories? Are the players not properly stretched and warned up before games and practices? Are slight injuries not treated properly and turn into big ones?
Are practices too hard or too easy? Poor game management, are players that need a few plays off left in, as a fatigued player is more susceptible to injury?
The problem could be the front office all the way down to the guy taping ankles.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1209442]Don't forget the beer vendors those officious pricks charge an arm and a leg for a beverage.[/quote]

I need the people who clean the uniforms and the landscaper gone immediately. I expect all pros across the board

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[quote=Chico23231;1209454]I need the people who clean the uniforms and the landscaper gone immediately. I expect all pros across the board[/quote]

Have you seen that turf? Fuck 'em.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1209443]Fact is, Gruden has been here almost 5 years, and has a 34-40 record, one division title he barely won at 9-7, and has ZERO playoff wins. He was ALLEN’S hand pick.

TIME FOR HIM AND ALLEN TO GO. I’d support Snyder firing Gruden now and promoting Bill Callahan, firing Allen and promoting Brian Lafemina to VP, and promoting Eric Shaffer to GM.

Then chose between Callahan or Saints Offensive Coordinator Pete Carmicheal as our next HC during the off-season


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I believe you want Kyle Smith promoted to GM, he’s the Sean McVay of the personnel dept., Shaffer is the capologist.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1209443]Fact is, Gruden has been here almost 5 years, and has a 34-40 record, one division title he barely won at 9-7, and has ZERO playoff wins. He was ALLEN’S hand pick.

TIME FOR HIM AND ALLEN TO GO. I’d support Snyder firing Gruden now and promoting Bill Callahan, firing Allen and promoting Brian Lafemina to VP, and promoting Eric Shaffer to GM.

Then chose between Callahan or Saints Offensive Coordinator Pete Carmicheal as our next HC during the off-season


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He is a micro managing over thinker.

Go back and look at some of the articles when he was in Oakland.

I almost wonder if that's why we didn't have a dominant running attack when healthy.

We have some real talent on the o line at full strength.

Instead of having 12 different run schemes have 6 and just let them be bad asses. Let BS, and Trent fire of the ball and maul whatever is in front of them.



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[quote=DYoungJelly;1209458]Callahan would be a disaster as HC.

He is a micro managing over thinker.

Go back and look at some of the articles when he was in Oakland.

I almost wonder if that's why we didn't have a dominant running attack when healthy.

We have some real talent on the o line at full strength.

Instead of having 12 different run schemes have 6 and just let them be bad asses. Let BS, and Trent fire of the ball and maul whatever is in front of them.



Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/quote] The point is we need to get rid of Jay and Bruce. I think we all can agree on that.

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I have seen enough of this regime, I'm ready for a young hungry head coach to come in.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209464]I have seen enough of this regime, I'm ready for a young hungry head coach to come in.[/quote]

Then Shane Waldron, Matt LeFleur or Bill Lazor are your candidates. Many people rave about the Vikings OC. I like these 3, especially since they are former Redskins assitants and LaFleur Waldron also work/worked for McVay.

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[quote=mooby;1209455]Have you seen that turf? Fuck 'em.[/quote]

Fire the turf. Real men play on dirt and rocks. Fuck’em

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[quote=Chico23231;1209466]Fire the turf. Real men play on dirt and rocks. Fuck’em[/quote]

Resurrect the Polo Grounds. Fuck 'em.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1209465]Then Shane Waldron, Matt LeFleur or Bill Lazor are your candidates. Many people rave about the Vikings OC. I like these 3, especially since they are former Redskins assitants and LaFleur Waldron also work/worked for McVay.[/QUOTE]



No! Pete CarMichael Saints Offensive Coordinator and former QB coach


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[quote=mooby;1209455]Have you seen that turf? Fuck 'em.[/quote]

It blows my mind how bad it gets. I have students going to college at UMD for this and I tell them all the time there should be a job opening right down the road.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1209465]Then Shane Waldron, Matt LeFleur or Bill Lazor are your candidates. Many people rave about the Vikings OC. I like these 3, especially since they are former Redskins assitants and LaFleur Waldron also work/worked for McVay.[/quote]

I can get behind them for sure I also like DeFilippo. That could be fun taking Kirk's OC.

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So, if we finish below 8-8 and fail to win the division, or make the playoffs what’s the chance Gruden gets canned along with Allen, or at least Gruden?


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1209471]No! Pete CarMichael Saints Offensive Coordinator and former QB coach


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Carmichael has been with NO forever and hasn’t generated interest, he also looks like he would be walked over by the players.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1209474]So, if we finish below 8-8 and fail to win the division, or make the playoffs what’s the chance Gruden gets canned along with Allen, or at least Gruden?


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I think it would take a lot for Allen to get fired, more years of 6-10 or worse.

I might be in the small majority but i think that Gruden's job isn't safe unless he makes the playoffs.

9-7 or wild card appearance - job is probably safe.

8-8 - 50% chance of getting fired i think

7-9 or worse - probably getting fired.

I could be way wrong but i feel Gruden's teams just aren't prepared when it matters, and he is a poor man's Jeff Fisher when it comes to wins/losses. I think he would be great going back to being an OC but i think as far as a head coach, we have seen enough of Gruden.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1209465]Then Shane Waldron, Matt LeFleur or Bill Lazor are your candidates. Many people rave about the Vikings OC. I like these 3, especially since they are former Redskins assitants and LaFleur Waldron also work/worked for McVay.[/quote]

Keeping jay and bringing in bill lazor as oc (bengals fire staff), I would endorse that move. I think the offense needs a shot in the arm.

Also, In response to the massive amounts of injuries the last 3 years...as a front office, I would move to a strategy of not getting any free agents or draft picks with any type of injury history or someone who misses time in general.

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[quote=mooby;1209468]Resurrect the Polo Grounds. Fuck 'em.[/quote]

Scoreboard operator...fire now. How many times do I have to look at the scoreboard to see we are losing? Fuck’em

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1209480]Scoreboard operator...fire now. How many times do I have to look at the scoreboard to see we are losing? Fuck’em[/QUOTE]



Burn down the stadium, Skins should withdraw from the league and close up shop.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1209481]Burn down the stadium, Skins should withdraw from the league and close up shop.[/QUOTE]Let's tie both themes of the thread together:

Hire Gregg Williams as HC!

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[quote=Chico23231;1209480]Scoreboard operator...fire now. How many times do I have to look at the scoreboard to see we are losing? Fuck’em[/quote]

Beer vendor... fuck'em. You can get 96 ounces of your favorite snobby beer from the 7-11 down the street that you can get a 12 ounce Bud Light for at Fedex.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1209310]If you think the Cowgirls dominated, you weren't watching the same game I was. T[B]he difference was the 3-0 turnover ratio, and that is all folks.[/B] The two biggest differences between Colt and Alex (besides the two broken bones) is Alex doesn't turn the ball over like that, and Colt knows this offense much better than Alex. The loss sucks, but this team is far from done. Gonna have to win out in the division though. Colt can do this. I'd like to see more Bibbs and less AP though...[/quote]

This and the 2 long TDs with missed tackles by Moreau and Dunbar and in both cases pathetic angles by Haha Clinton-Dix... He really had bad angles all game long!

And with all that (2 missed plays by the D, 3 turnovers [plus phantom penalties on 3rd down]) it still ended up being a [I][U]one possession game[/U][/I] !
And the phantom holding on Moreau ended up burning nearly 4 minutes of game clock...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1209440]The secondary coach can't stop Moreau from playing like a pussy. He was in position on the 90 yarder. All he had to do was turn his head around and he probably could've made a play on the ball. The guy has no ball skills.[/quote]

Instead of going for the tackle to get Cooper down #31 foolishly goes for the strip\fumble....Cooper keeps his legs moving and #31 slips off of him freeing Cooper to run a million miles to the end zone....when I saw the replay I just shook my head....