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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244315]I love how liberals single out white people and rip on them.[/quote]



I love how rightwingnuts make up lies about liberals to justify their racist views and policies.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1244316]I love how rightwingnuts make up lies about liberals to justify their racist views and policies.[/QUOTE]I love how giants' fans never add substance to these threads.

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[quote=Giantone;1244316]I love how rightwingnuts make up lies about liberals to justify their racist views and policies.[/quote]

Once again your reading comprehension is selective. Mooby just ripped on white people. Why do you deny what is right in front of your face? I am starting to think you just post crap to try to get a rise out of people or you are going senile. My liberal white girlfriend rips on white people all the time.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244315]I love how liberals single out white people and rip on them. Isn't that being racist? I had supervisory and training roles in some pretty large companies before becoming self employed in very diverse work forces. As a whole the minority males spewed a lot more venomous thoughts toward gay men than the white guys did. The biggest offenders were from our southern neighbors. I would love to see an honest poll taken on this subject. I would bet my right arm your average straight white male conservative doesn't discriminate against gay men anymore than Democrat voting males that migrated from Mexico.

My aunt is one of the few liberals I can discuss politics with. I always have fun when I ask her what Uncle Jorge (Mexican born) thinks of jotos (Spanish term for gay men) she always tells me she has learned to tune him out when he talks about them. She said straight alpha type males from Mexico will never accept gay men and nothing will change that.[/quote]

Hispanics vote predominantly Democrat. So those people you're referencing are most likely going to vote Democrat or note vote at all.

Most straight white conservatives are obviously going to vote Republican most times so a gay candidate would have to try to sway their vote.

But so would any democratic candidate. I feel I'm about as conservative as it gets and I don't care if a candidate was gay. If he had conservative ideals he would get my vote easily.

Note - If I had to vote Democrat, Andrew Yang is my new favorite on their side. We would obviously disagree on a lot of things, but I find him likeable and I see him possibly being the most willing to work with both sides

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What I want:

1. Balanced budget. Bush2, Obama, Trump presidencies have done nothing but make it worse with the spending and deficits. Way too many Americans don't make a big enough deal about our debt imo.

2. Limited federal government. 10th amendment rules. All powers not directly given to the feds are handled by the states.

3. Flat tax with no tax on anyone in the 1st 30K for single filers and 60K for joint filers. This number could be higher or lower but it would be no lower than on the 1st 20/40K.

4. Build the wall. Way too many people act like the cost of this wall is the magic point where we have to stop spending money. It's a drop in the bucket. Just using a conservative estimate of 1 billion spent every year on illegal immigration, if the wall stopped even just 1% of all crossers, it would save 10 million a year. The costs is way higher than that so the actual amount saved at 1% is exponentially higher.

4. Work on a deal that ties letting people already here stay be tied to legit cuts and savings from some of the Democrats sides babies. Both sides need to give something to get something. Or tie it into agreed spending on the wall. The far left and far right ruin this tho. Not willing to budge on anything.

5. Speed up the process of legal immigration combined with speeding up the process of deporting people that come illegally or that are already here and commit crimes.

6. Tort reform in the medical industry. These lawsuits do nothing but make lawyers rich and drive up medical prices for the rest of us.

7. Make barriers to the medical industry easier. We need way way way more companies competing against each other to make these drugs. The more competition the lower the prices.

8. Libertarian military policies. The older I get the more I agree with the Rand Paul's of the world. Sorry military complex, no more dying for your wallets.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244321]Once again your reading comprehension is selective. Mooby just ripped on white people. Why do you deny what is right in front of your face? I am starting to think you just post crap to try to get a rise out of people or you are going senile. My liberal white girlfriend rips on white people all the time.[/quote]

No Mooby didn't rip white people.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244319]I love how giants' fans never add substance to these threads.

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I see the extend breaks you get from the fry station don't help your knowledge of the world.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1244322]Hispanics vote predominantly Democrat. So those people you're referencing are most likely going to vote Democrat or note vote at all.
[/quote]

In the democratic primary the Uncle Jorge's of the world will vote for someone other than Pete Buttigieg, and if Pete wins the nomination he will not vote in the general election. Kind of like what I did with Trump, I voted for Rubio in the primary, then when Trump was nominated I pretty much didn't vote by writing in Will Seemore.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244326]In the democratic primary the Uncle Jorge's of the world will vote for someone other than Pete Buttigieg, and if Pete wins the nomination he will not vote in the general election. Kind of like what I did with Trump, I voted for Rubio in the primary, then when Trump was nominated I pretty much didn't vote by writing in Will Seemore.[/quote]

Since you or your uncle won't vote what you say doesn't matter , right?

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[quote=Giantone;1244325]I see the extend breaks you get from the fry station don't help your knowledge of the world.[/quote]

Then the personal insults begin. The g1 playbook is known

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[quote=mooby;1244311]Is he not? What is his mission statement other than "I am a successful businessman ala Trump, but I'm not Trump." He's just throwing money at it that he can afford to lose, what solutions is he presenting to any of the problems facing real Americans today?

Also Sunny, I think you're doing a good job trying to reach across the aisle and bridge the gap between us and Chico/Cred, but Chico has a real hard-on for just pointing out media hypocrisy and inaccuracy instead of realizing both sides do that nowadays, both sides are going to keep churning out content anywhere from factual (Reuters/AP in my book) to cherry-picking/media spin (Breitbart/HuffPo). As long as people keep clicking, that's the goal. There's always going to be someone trying to pin blame or use a situation to promote a theory without evidence, and it's never going to change if you keep clicking/posting/sharing.

For the most part I find your positions reasonable, and I agree with most of them. I think we could do a way better job of healthcare in this country, in its' current form it places profit for the medical insurance/tech/supplier industries over human life. I think considering we have seen systems implemented in other first world countries it's reasonable to think we could implement a similar system here, one that doesn't bankrupt people who need major life-saving surgeries or raise the price of insulin/meds 5000% out of pure greed. But it would require winners and losers. Winners would be American citizens (note I didn't say illegals) for not paying [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/health/exploring-salines-secret-costs.html"]$100 for a bag of saline solution[/URL] in a hospital, or [URL="https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-hlth-illinois-snakebite-venom-treatment-20190502-story.html"]140 grand for a snakebite needing anti-venom[/URL]. Losers will be medical insurance for not making profits off healthy Americans who never visit the hospital, or pharma companies not jacking up the price of a life-saving medication 5000%.

I disagree with anyone who wants open borders. But I think families and parents who want to come to America to work hard to provide for their families shouldn't have to wait 10 years to get in. I'm fine taking that wall money and spending it on border agents or technology that makes their jobs easier, but implying it's going to do anything other than make it harder for illegal immigrants to cross is insane. It's not going to slow down Americans' insane appetite for illegal drugs. It's just going to make people pay more money to ride in the trunk of a car at a border crossing, or cross on a boat on the coast at the middle of the night, or pay extra to use a cartel tunnel underneath the border. It will do literally nothing to stop people from overstaying their visa/etc. which is approximately 25% of all illegal immigrants. And unless they build a wall of solid concrete there's a good chance people in Mexico are just going to try and cut through it anyways. If Trump didn't insist on making this a political thing, and instead said "I want to increase funding to the Border Patrol so they can decide the most important areas to build a wall" it would be a lot easier to support.

The housing thing I'm not smart enough to understand a solution to, but I feel like as long as real estate is prioritized as a fantastic money-making opportunity instead of "low-income people need a place to live too" it will always be a problem.

I like Bernie because I think even though solving healthcare is a difficult problem, it's one that needs to be addressed with major changes. I don't care about free public colleges, and I disagree with open borders. The difference is with Trump he will stop at nothing to enact his policies, whether it means pulling money out of anything to build a border wall, or doing it solely via Executive Order instead of doing the proper method through Congress. If Bernie said his main goal is abolishing ICE/CBP but the rest of the Dems totally disagreed with it (obv. you have your AOC's who would support it) it would never happen.

Anyways I think it's a moot point as the mainstream Dems don't support Bernie, and there isn't a single conservative (moderate or extreme) that supports his ideas either. I think the DNC will do anything to make sure he doesn't win the nomination too. And I don't necessarily disagree with that either, our best chance at winning is supporting a candidate that will appeal to moderates who voted for Trump in 2016. And that's not Bernie.

Biden I don't like because he seems out of touch with young people when he talks shit about weed and video games. He needs to realize alienating young people is not the best way to mobilize them to vote for you.

Buttigieg I know nothing about his policy ideas, only that he's gay and was the former mayor of South Bend. He's never going to convince your average straight white male conservative to vote for him though. I think if he won the nomination anti-LGBTQ sentiment would rise from the religious majority on the right.

Warren I don't think is strong enough to stand up to the Trump attacks. We need a candidate who is not going to let the Trump attacks distract from trying to win over swing voters.

I'm not sure who's going to win the nomination, but I feel like it's Biden as he represents the biggest name and the DNC likes him. If he prioritizes responding to Trump attacks over trying to win swing voters he's gonna lose though. One of the key mistakes Hill-dawg made was [URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-out-campaigned-clinton-50-percent-key-battlegrounds-final-100-n683116"]not campaigning enough[/URL] in swing states in 2016.[/quote]

I also have a hard-on for facts as well as Democrats Tulsi Gabbard and Kyrsten Sinema.

You need to look at Klobuchar...she’s a decent candidate.

Here’s my Democratic trash candidate rankings at this time:

1. Warren - lying, pandering, trash who says the dumbest shit like I want a tranny to approve my sec of education. Her lies are some of all time favorites.

2. Bernie - past communist trash, who now masquerades as a socialist. He puts Democratic in front to legitimize an obvious stigma of past national socialist state failures. He’s in favor of the green new deal which is part Marxist and full socialist effort to destroy the free market and make the novel 1984 come to life. He’s not behind any significant legislation as his time as leftist nut case of Congress. What I like about Bernie is he is consistent in ideas except for his bullshit “woke” costume he has to wear thru the primary...it’s laughable to watch.

3. Mayor Pete - he was good at first until he started spewing his bullshit anti religious nonsense. He doesn’t have any experience or idea about foreign policy. I’m loving that lefties are calling him rat face and The Bernie bros hate have legitimized him as a viable candidate.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244328]Then the personal insults begin. The g1 playbook is known[/quote]

........again chico with the cherry picking .Maybe read the whole thread and see who threw what out at who first.:httr:

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[quote=Giantone;1244324]No Mooby didn't rip white people.[/quote]

He said white conservatives won't vote for a gay may, that is a rip in anyone's book but yours. You have selective reading comprehension.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244352]He said white conservatives won't vote for a gay may, that is a rip in anyone's book but yours. You have selective reading comprehension.[/quote]

Jr, you need to buy yourself a mirror.

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[quote=Giantone;1244361]Jr, you need to buy yourself a mirror.[/quote]

You just love trying to brand people, and paint them with a broad brush.

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[img]https://i.imgur.com/2RJZnqo.jpg[/img]

With these easy steps you too can have peace of mind G1.

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[quote=Giantone;1244337]........again chico with the cherry picking .Maybe read the whole thread and see who threw what out at who first.:httr:[/quote]

I threw at all Giants fans, I can't help it if your reading comprehension didn't catch that.

I ignored your followup, because, like most of your political posts, they only make sense in your world.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244393]I threw at all Giants fans, I can't help it if your reading comprehension didn't catch that.

I ignored your followup, because, like most of your political posts, they only make sense in your world.[/quote]

Or.........to poster's that are not trump sheep.

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[quote=mooby;1244379][img]https://i.imgur.com/2RJZnqo.jpg[/img]

With these easy steps you too can have peace of mind G1.[/quote]

LOL, it's a thought but then jr will never realize just how off the wall he is.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244369]You just love trying to brand people, and paint them with a broad brush.[/quote]

:funnypost :laughing-

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1244352]He said white conservatives won't vote for a gay may, that is a rip in anyone's book but yours. You have selective reading comprehension.[/quote]

Are you saying white conservatives would vote for a gay guy? I certainly dont think they would. Maybe a small percent like 2% would but if the question is "would conservative males vote for a gay guy?" ... the broad brush says "hell no" and itd be 98% correct.

I dont like the broad brush either, but here, for this limited question .. Im really comfortable with it.

I honestly think a lot of people in both parties would openly or quietly have problems voting for a gay guy. Or a woman for that matter. Or a socialist.

I think Dems need to play it safe - Biden or Bloomberg.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1244542]Are you saying white conservatives would vote for a gay guy? I certainly dont think they would. Maybe a small percent like 2% would but if the question is "would conservative males vote for a gay guy?" ... the broad brush says "hell no" and itd be 98% correct.



I dont like the broad brush either, but here, for this limited question .. Im really comfortable with it.



I honestly think a lot of people in both parties would openly or quietly have problems voting for a gay guy. Or a woman for that matter. Or a socialist.



I think Dems need to play it safe - Biden or Bloomberg.[/QUOTE]I think in general evangelical conservatives would not vote for a gay president, but fiscal conservatives would.

Of course if a candidate is at the same time putting religion down, and supporting economic socialist policies, then both sets of conservatives would vote against that candidate regardless of sexual orientation.

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My current theory on Bloomberg is that he is the neverTrumper conservatives insurance policy.

I think he has held out from debates so he doesn't get labeled a liberal democrat, then he will shift to an independent campaign with the sole purpose of drawing off enough support from Trump to prevent his re-election. If he were campaigning as an independent or republican he wouldnt have the media gawking over his potential, but by playing close to the democratic sandbox the media keeps his name alive.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244550]My current theory on Bloomberg is that he is the neverTrumper conservatives insurance policy.

I think he has held out from debates so he doesn't get labeled a liberal democrat, then he will shift to an independent campaign with the sole purpose of drawing off enough support from Trump to prevent his re-election. If he were campaigning as an independent or republican he wouldnt have the media gawking over his potential, but by playing close to the democratic sandbox the media keeps his name alive.

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He is the trump alternative but still a rich white guy who is a smart business man who ran NYC .He can work with everyone.

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[quote=SunnySide;1244542]Are you saying white conservatives would vote for a gay guy? I certainly dont think they would. Maybe a small percent like 2% would but if the question is "would conservative males vote for a gay guy?" ... the broad brush says "hell no" and itd be 98% correct.

I dont like the broad brush either, but here, for this limited question .. Im really comfortable with it.

I honestly think a lot of people in both parties would openly or quietly have problems voting for a gay guy. Or a woman for that matter. Or a socialist.

I think Dems need to play it safe - Biden or Bloomberg.[/quote]

IMO, Biden is done.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244330]I also have a hard-on for facts as well as Democrats Tulsi Gabbard and Kyrsten Sinema.

You need to look at Klobuchar...she’s a decent candidate.

Here’s my Democratic trash candidate rankings at this time:

1. Warren - lying, pandering, trash who says the dumbest shit like I want a tranny to approve my sec of education. Her lies are some of all time favorites.

2. Bernie - past communist trash, who now masquerades as a socialist. He puts Democratic in front to legitimize an obvious stigma of past national socialist state failures. He’s in favor of the green new deal which is part Marxist and full socialist effort to destroy the free market and make the novel 1984 come to life. He’s not behind any significant legislation as his time as leftist nut case of Congress. What I like about Bernie is he is consistent in ideas except for his bullshit “woke” costume he has to wear thru the primary...it’s laughable to watch.

3. Mayor Pete - he was good at first until he started spewing his bullshit anti religious nonsense. He doesn’t have any experience or idea about foreign policy. I’m loving that lefties are calling him rat face and The Bernie bros hate have legitimized him as a viable candidate.[/quote]

So I love me some Bernie I am a Marxist because I believe the vast majority of wealth and social inequality stems from a biased system so I might as well own it. Call me what you want. At this time I don't think he beats Trump. I like Pete I think he is a moderate and if he was straight we might confuse him with John Kasich. I do question whether America is ready for a gay man to be leader of the "free world". I know Cred said fiscal conservatives won't have a problem but I know few fiscal conservatives that don't also have conservative social views as well.

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Andrew Yang just dropped out today. Kind of sad thought he had some interesting ideas.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1244567]So I love me some Bernie [B]I am a Marxist because I believe the vast majority of wealth and social inequality stems from a biased system so I might as well own it. Call me what you want.[/B] At this time I don't think he beats Trump. I like Pete I think he is a moderate and if he was straight we might confuse him with John Kasich. I do question whether America is ready for a gay man to be leader of the "free world". I know Cred said fiscal conservatives won't have a problem but I know few fiscal conservatives that don't also have conservative social views as well.[/quote]

I have an honest to god question, would you be calling yourself a Marxist if Hillary would have won the election or is this simply because Trump is President? Really an honest question...because a lot of these sudden swing of people minds just occurred right after Obama left office. So you were a Marxist before when Obama was president? You rallied against his free market principals and the democratic elected practice to put him there as "unjust"?

Did you point to Venezuela as a shimmering light of hope when they were the most robust economy in South America like Bernie did during the Obama presidency and say "this is the way?"

All this bleakness I read about is funny to me because it doesn't cant change the facts that this economy is most the equitable in the history of the country, foreign investment is extremely strong, local and state economies are FLUSH with cash, capitol investment is flowing unlike any time in history, entrepreneurship ability has never been greater, the ability to take risks in startups have never been easier, innovation in this free market is record pace, college grads are coming out making real money, etc.

So when I hear doom and gloom I look at the numbers and simply don't get it...Im trying to pinpoint why...Trump?

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Pure unfettered capitalism is bad. That is fairly obvious because the wealth collection leads to inherent inequalities like BaltimoreSkins said.

BUT even unfettered capitalism is far superior to any form of economic structure predicated on socialism first. And there is a simple reason. Socialism, and Marxism by extension, take away the natural incentive that human beings need to excel. In socialism, one gains no advantage to being better than others, in fact quite often the reverse is true - if you are more motivated to earn a higher wage, the benefits of your effort is taken from you and passed on to those who were less motivated. And that kills human spirit and drive quicker than unfettered capitalism's poverty.

Unfettered capitalism's poverty puts human beings in terrible places, and in a Darwinian way sifts the wheat from the chaff. Some people who don't know where their next meal will come from, but have hope of escape will use that hope and grow. Most will not.

So the real question is not whether socialism or capitalism is bad or good, but how do you balance the value of human life (which pure socialism values with equality) with the mechanism of hope and incentive that pure capitalism creates through wealth diversity and distribution.

Personally, and I know it is an unattainable goal because government bureaucracy will never give up it's power, but I think all specific aid programs should be converted to one bureau, and that every person over 18 should be given up to 22K a year. If you earn 22001 you get 0 from aid. if you earn 18000 you get 4K. I realize that this creates a disincentive but 22k is purely sustaining a life. No frills. So the incentive to work and earn more exists without having anyone suffer pure abject capitalistism's poverty. Along with that would I would support a cataclysmic insurance system with strong checks.

The 22K is a relatively arbitrary number that is more for example. I would think that the actual number should be a calculated number based on the cost of 1 person living in an average cost of living, with an actuarial table of insurance and rent and food expenses.

The key point is that government bureacracy is reduced to near zero. IRS collects, one agency calculates the yearly number, and IRS disburses monthly checks based on the previous year's tax returns. From there individuals rise and fall on their ability. If someone takes that monthly check and spends it poorly then they face the consequences of their choices. If someone manages to spend less than the monthly check and saves, then they reap the benefits of their choices.

anyway. that's my thought for the day

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[quote=SunnySide;1244542]Are you saying white conservatives would vote for a gay guy? I certainly dont think they would. Maybe a small percent like 2% would but if the question is "would conservative males vote for a gay guy?" ... the broad brush says "hell no" and itd be 98% correct.

[/quote]

I am a white conservative male and I would vote for a gay man, as long as he wasn't the over the top flamboyant type. Something about a dude acting like Liberace 24-7 rubs me the wrong way. The only thing that bugs me about Pete is he seems to be trying too hard to get more votes from the black community.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244596]
Personally, and I know it is an unattainable goal because government bureaucracy will never give up it's power, but I think all specific aid programs should be converted to one bureau, and that every person over 18 should be given up to 22K a year. If you earn 22001 you get 0 from aid. if you earn 18000 you get 4K. I realize that this creates a disincentive but 22k is purely sustaining a life. No frills.

anyway. that's my thought for the day[/quote]

Interesting thought of the day.

I personally dont like the idea of free money. I live in an apartment/town house neighborhood with section 8 families, and I love the kids, theyre friends with my daughter, i made like 6 grilled cheese sandwiches for them this weekend and they hang in my house a lot.

But their mom and dad dont work. Doesnt appear they try to work. Doesdnt appear they try to even get their kids to school. I went to law school, work kinda hard, wake up early every day I answer the bell .. yet we live in identical townhouses. I am living below what i could but still.

They got into a big car accident, took a vacation to Florida, bought a new used car and within a month it doesnt run anymore, tag expired and it sits there in the parking lot. You give my section 8 neighbors 22k and they are spending it in 1 month and then right back to needing 100% assistance.

Flip side - my ex cant get on section 8 bc MD stop taking names, has applied to a billion jobs and cant get hired and im paying like 2k plus a month for her. She would homeless ... she tries her ass off, she wants to work, shes a good person and somehow since she doesnt know the system she gets zero assistance but my neighbors get a townhouse ...

Id vote Kasich for sure.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1244605]Interesting thought of the day.



I personally dont like the idea of free money. I live in an apartment/town house neighborhood with section 8 families, and I love the kids, theyre friends with my daughter, i made like 6 grilled cheese sandwiches for them this weekend and they hang in my house a lot.



But their mom and dad dont work. Doesnt appear they try to work. Doesdnt appear they try to even get their kids to school. I went to law school, work kinda hard, wake up early every day I answer the bell .. yet we live in identical townhouses. I am living below what i could but still.



They got into a big car accident, took a vacation to Florida, bought a new used car and within a month it doesnt run anymore, tag expired and it sits there in the parking lot. You give my section 8 neighbors 22k and they are spending it in 1 month and then right back to needing 100% assistance.



Flip side - my ex cant get on section 8 bc MD stop taking names, has applied to a billion jobs and cant get hired and im paying like 2k plus a month for her. She would homeless ... she tries her ass off, she wants to work, shes a good person and somehow since she doesnt know the system she gets zero assistance but my neighbors get a townhouse ...



Id vote Kasich for sure.[/QUOTE]The only thing i would say is in my system, if someone blows the 22k there is no additional assistance. At first of course the shock would be overwhelming but any additional charity would be that charity from private citizens. On the other side if three 20 year olds got a small bedroom and minimized other expenses, they could invest much of their living capital to finance a small car shop in a way not possible now.

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Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas

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“She's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father...’”

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[quote=Chico23231;1244590]I have an honest to god question, would you be calling yourself a Marxist if Hillary would have won the election or is this simply because Trump is President? Really an honest question...because a lot of these sudden swing of people minds just occurred right after Obama left office. So you were a Marxist before when Obama was president? You rallied against his free market principals and the democratic elected practice to put him there as "unjust"?

Did you point to Venezuela as a shimmering light of hope when they were the most robust economy in South America like Bernie did during the Obama presidency and say "this is the way?"

All this bleakness I read about is funny to me because it doesn't cant change the facts that this economy is most the equitable in the history of the country, foreign investment is extremely strong, local and state economies are FLUSH with cash, capitol investment is flowing unlike any time in history, entrepreneurship ability has never been greater, the ability to take risks in startups have never been easier, innovation in this free market is record pace, college grads are coming out making real money, etc.

So when I hear doom and gloom I look at the numbers and simply don't get it...Im trying to pinpoint why...Trump?[/quote]


I am not sure when I began to consider myself a Marxist, I have always thought that our societal and economic system was biased but I didn't start using the label until people started labeling me as such then I said sure why not.

In terms of most equitable economy ever? Maybe. I do know there is great stress put on the middle class to keep the economy a float. At the same time we are not seeing the influx of services in marginalized communities and that is an indictment on local and state jurisdictions which are a huge part of the problem. Take Baltimore they have invested huge amounts int eh water front neighborhoods which are mostly upper middle class while not developing fully services in more marginalized communities food deserts, recreational opportunities are limited, the powers that be for the City even stopped accepting SNAP at the farmers markets. I am not saying it has to be an even distribution, I am not a communist after all, but I do see how we can improve the quality of life of communities that need it and choose not to.

In terms of Venezuela that is just crazy talk. I don't follow Bernie blindly and he does say things that are extreme. The only thing we should be pointing at Venezuela and saying we should want to incorporate in our society is the glorious amounts of fine tanned female asses.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244596]Pure unfettered capitalism is bad. That is fairly obvious because the wealth collection leads to inherent inequalities like BaltimoreSkins said.

BUT even unfettered capitalism is far superior to any form of economic structure predicated on socialism first. And there is a simple reason. Socialism, and Marxism by extension, take away the natural incentive that human beings need to excel. In socialism, one gains no advantage to being better than others, in fact quite often the reverse is true - if you are more motivated to earn a higher wage, the benefits of your effort is taken from you and passed on to those who were less motivated. And that kills human spirit and drive quicker than unfettered capitalism's poverty.

Unfettered capitalism's poverty puts human beings in terrible places, and in a Darwinian way sifts the wheat from the chaff. Some people who don't know where their next meal will come from, but have hope of escape will use that hope and grow. Most will not.

So the real question is not whether socialism or capitalism is bad or good, but how do you balance the value of human life (which pure socialism values with equality) with the mechanism of hope and incentive that pure capitalism creates through wealth diversity and distribution.

Personally, and I know it is an unattainable goal because government bureaucracy will never give up it's power, but I think all specific aid programs should be converted to one bureau, and that every person over 18 should be given up to 22K a year. If you earn 22001 you get 0 from aid. if you earn 18000 you get 4K. I realize that this creates a disincentive but 22k is purely sustaining a life. No frills. So the incentive to work and earn more exists without having anyone suffer pure abject capitalistism's poverty. Along with that would I would support a cataclysmic insurance system with strong checks.

The 22K is a relatively arbitrary number that is more for example. I would think that the actual number should be a calculated number based on the cost of 1 person living in an average cost of living, with an actuarial table of insurance and rent and food expenses.

The key point is that government bureacracy is reduced to near zero. IRS collects, one agency calculates the yearly number, and IRS disburses monthly checks based on the previous year's tax returns. From there individuals rise and fall on their ability. If someone takes that monthly check and spends it poorly then they face the consequences of their choices. If someone manages to spend less than the monthly check and saves, then they reap the benefits of their choices.

anyway. that's my thought for the day[/quote]

I have always thought that unemployment, welfare, what have you could be far better managed. Able bodied people should be able to work I think.

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The concept of a basic universal income is an interesting one. As more and more jobs are taken away due to automation it's a concept that will need to be given a hard look.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1244652]The concept of a basic universal income is an interesting one. As more and more jobs are taken away due to automation it's a concept that will need to be given a hard look.[/QUOTE]It works for starfleet

For sunnyside that is a sarcastic post.
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1244649]I am not sure when I began to consider myself a Marxist, I have always thought that our societal and economic system was biased but I didn't start using the label until people started labeling me as such then I said sure why not.

In terms of most equitable economy ever? Maybe. I do know there is great stress put on the middle class to keep the economy a float. At the same time we are not seeing the influx of services in marginalized communities and that is an indictment on local and state jurisdictions which are a huge part of the problem. Take Baltimore they have invested huge amounts int eh water front neighborhoods which are mostly upper middle class while not developing fully services in more marginalized communities food deserts, recreational opportunities are limited, the powers that be for the City even stopped accepting SNAP at the farmers markets. I am not saying it has to be an even distribution, I am not a communist after all, but I do see how we can improve the quality of life of communities that need it and choose not to.

In terms of Venezuela that is just crazy talk. I don't follow Bernie blindly and he does say things that are extreme. The only thing we should be pointing at Venezuela and saying [B]we should want to incorporate in our society is the glorious amounts of fine tanned female asses[/B].[/quote]

Something I could get behind

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[quote=Chico23231;1244654]Something I could get behind

intended[/quote]

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