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It's one thing to play bad and struggle some, it's another to not be able to run the offense. That is what the Redskins face if he's in there. IDK it's a tough decision but it may be made for them if Case can't go. If he has to start Sun I'd imagine that Colt may have to play as well..

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I’m with you .. it’s not the interceptions or the sacks .. heck the best do that ! After 6 months in playbook he still cant grasp the basic playbook enough for the coaches to feel good about it... I believe that Bruce and dan have100% told coaches that Haskins has to play hence colt is 3rd string .i know we suck but the team has not quit if Haskins plays rest of year and is bad and the team does say screw this then we will have a total melt down where guys will say its not Haskins the team has quit! I believe the situation will determine when Haskins plays .. you can’t name him starter if Case can go .. unless Bruce and dan are calling that ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1235626]I’m with you .. it’s not the interceptions or the sacks .. heck the best do that ! After 6 months in playbook he still cant grasp the basic playbook enough for the coaches to feel good about it... I believe that Bruce and dan have100% told coaches that Haskins has to play hence colt is 3rd string .i know we suck but the team has not quit if Haskins plays rest of year and is bad and the team does say screw this then we will have a total melt down where guys will say its not Haskins the team has quit! I believe the situation will determine when Haskins plays .. you can’t name him starter if Case can go .. unless Bruce and dan are calling that ..[/QUOTE]



We are 1-7 with Case and Colt starting. Almost 0-8. It would be one thing if we were a 3 or 4 win team and even slightly in contention for the division. I just do not understand what everyones hope for Case is? Again he gives us no chance to win. We have seen it now for half a season. So lets see what Haskins has. The only way to gain experience WHICH IS WHAT HE LACKS is by playing.
Or have it your way, let Case lead us to a 2 win season...maybe, and we can continue this thread for another year.

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[quote=punch it in;1235627]We are 1-7 with Case and Colt starting. Almost 0-8. It would be one thing if we were a 3 or 4 win team and even slightly in contention for the division. I just do not understand what everyones hope for Case is? Again he gives us no chance to win. We have seen it now for half a season. So lets see what Haskins has. The only way to gain experience WHICH IS WHAT HE LACKS is by playing.
Or have it your way, let Case lead us to a 2 win season...maybe, and we can continue this thread for another year.[/quote]

Those two guys can call the plays. It was reported that when Haskins got in there he called the play the wrong way, Quinn went to the wrong area and then it resulted in a penalty. That's the stuff we're talking about here. Just the basic crap.

Even when we had both RG and Cousins as rookies we never heard anything about them not being able to call the plays the correct way. IDK, I want him in there as bad as everyone else but if he can't do the very basics then he simply can't play.

Also I have not heard one single player say he's ready. They all say the political correct thing. That's even more telling than what the coaches are saying. Players know..

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Is it just me,or does the kid seem disinterested on the sideline,one of the reasons I said not to play him is he just doesn't seem to be paying attention..somebody needs to take Dwayne aside and have a long talk with him about just what it means to be an NFL quarterback because he may think that all he had to do was get drafted and the job was his,starting with him wanting No.7 which belongs to Joe which says that he had no sense of team history and he's spoiled,yes the kid has talent but he needs an attitude adjustment between now and training camp!

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I wasnt on the Haskins bandwagon but I think the mob turned on him way to quick.

Physical abilities are there. He throws a nice ball. His arm is plus. We knew he was a project coming in, perhaps not this much of a project. Unfortunately, he was drafted by a team that top to bottom doesnt know to function. Hes learning dysfunction.

Haskins should get at least 8 or so starts, assuming he stays healthy. And he needs some starts with a week of practice before we can start micro analyzing him.

Haskins has the physical abilities. I am no where close to writing him off. Wish his emergency starts looked better but its too soon.

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[quote=Burgold;1235637]Is it just me,or does the kid seem disinterested on the sideline,one of the reasons I said not to play him is he just doesn't seem to be paying attention..somebody needs to take Dwayne aside and have a long talk with him about just what it means to be an NFL quarterback because he may think that all he had to do was get drafted and the job was his,starting with him wanting No.7 which belongs to Joe which says that he had no sense of team history and he's spoiled,yes the kid has talent but he needs an attitude adjustment between now and training camp![/quote]

No, its not just you. In fact, its the number on reason I have no problem calling him a bust.

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I think its important to note the trends in reports we've heard as it relates to Haskins readiness to start since the time drafted him.

First, we were told that, while it might take him a while to develop, he would still be in the mix to have a chance to compete to be the week 1 starter in camp.

During camp, based on what was observed and what the coaches were saying, the talk shifted more towards him sitting for a few weeks, but most likely being ready to start at some point early on in the season.

As the season started, the reports were more like Haskins might sit all year, learn, but be ready to start in 2020.

Following Jays firing, Callahan made comments indicating that Haskins might not even start in 2020, that he could take some time to develop and this could be a situation similar to Aaron Rogers, who sat several years before starting. This was further supported by reporting that the skins may go back to Alex Smith in 2020 if he's healthy.

Amidst all of this, there were reports that Haskins was not taking things very seriously. Mike Lombardi said he talked to several coaches who said Haskins was not paying attention in meetings, not putting in the time and work, acting entitled, and seemed to think the job should just be handed to him. We've seen with our own eyes Haskins on the sidelines seeming disinterested. After each offensive series, he's not sitting with Case and reviewing the plays - even when he is the #2 QB and needs to be ready to play. I cant recall having EVER seen the backup QB for any team be so.... negligent.

We all thought Haskins was a reach at the draft due to his lack of experience. But the most troubling concerns relate to his mindset and attitude. There is nothing you can do with a player who isn't willing to recognize his role on a team or put forth the effort to improve. Haskins has shown me all he needs to show me to know he isn't the answer. We need a QB who is a LEADER, not a POUTER.

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Technically .. he cant be declared a franchise QB or a bust at this time. Rules clearly state that a QB must be given 15 starts before he is eligible for labels.

[url]https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235651]I think its important to note the trends in reports we've heard as it relates to Haskins readiness to start since the time drafted him.

First, we were told that, while it might take him a while to develop, he would still be in the mix to have a chance to compete to be the week 1 starter in camp.

During camp, based on what was observed and what the coaches were saying, the talk shifted more towards him sitting for a few weeks, but most likely being ready to start at some point early on in the season.

As the season started, the reports were more like Haskins might sit all year, learn, but be ready to start in 2020.

Following Jays firing, Callahan made comments indicating that Haskins might not even start in 2020, that he could take some time to develop and this could be a situation similar to Aaron Rogers, who sat several years before starting. This was further supported by reporting that the skins may go back to Alex Smith in 2020 if he's healthy.

Amidst all of this, there were reports that Haskins was not taking things very seriously. Mike Lombardi said he talked to several coaches who said Haskins was not paying attention in meetings, not putting in the time and work, acting entitled, and seemed to think the job should just be handed to him. We've seen with our own eyes Haskins on the sidelines seeming disinterested. After each offensive series, he's not sitting with Case and reviewing the plays - even when he is the #2 QB and needs to be ready to play. I cant recall having EVER seen the backup QB for any team be so.... negligent.

We all thought Haskins was a reach at the draft due to his lack of experience. But the most troubling concerns relate to his mindset and attitude. There is nothing you can do with a player who isn't willing to recognize his role on a team or put forth the effort to improve. Haskins has shown me all he needs to show me to know he isn't the answer. We need a QB who is a LEADER, not a POUTER.[/quote]

Lombardi can fuck off. I put zero stock in anything he says about the Skins.

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[quote=MTK;1235658]Lombardi can fuck off. I put zero stock in anything he says about the Skins.[/quote]

He only talked to the coaches ( most likely Gruden) that are on staff. What the hell do they know?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235651]I think its important to note the trends in reports we've heard as it relates to Haskins readiness to start since the time drafted him.

First, we were told that, while it might take him a while to develop, he would still be in the mix to have a chance to compete to be the week 1 starter in camp.

During camp, based on what was observed and what the coaches were saying, the talk shifted more towards him sitting for a few weeks, but most likely being ready to start at some point early on in the season.

As the season started, the reports were more like Haskins might sit all year, learn, but be ready to start in 2020.

Following Jays firing, Callahan made comments indicating that Haskins might not even start in 2020, that he could take some time to develop and this could be a situation similar to Aaron Rogers, who sat several years before starting. [B]This was further supported by reporting that the skins may go back to Alex Smith in 2020 if he's healthy.
[/B]
Amidst all of this, there were reports that Haskins was not taking things very seriously. Mike Lombardi said he talked to several coaches who said Haskins was not paying attention in meetings, not putting in the time and work, acting entitled, and seemed to think the job should just be handed to him. We've seen with our own eyes Haskins on the sidelines seeming disinterested. After each offensive series, he's not sitting with Case and reviewing the plays - even when he is the #2 QB and needs to be ready to play. I cant recall having EVER seen the backup QB for any team be so.... negligent.

We all thought Haskins was a reach at the draft due to his lack of experience. But the most troubling concerns relate to his mindset and attitude. There is nothing you can do with a player who isn't willing to recognize his role on a team or put forth the effort to improve. Haskins has shown me all he needs to show me to know he isn't the answer. We need a QB who is a LEADER, not a POUTER.[/quote]


This is that dumb shit I hate commenting on.

Nobody in their right mind was talking about Alex Smith being a viable option for 2020. After 17 surgeries the obvious move should be him retiring, and tbh he can start all he wants elsewhere but it damn sure shouldn't be here, after we wasted 40 mil in cap space on him.

And I like Lombardi on some things, I thought his criticism on the FO issues was on point but I haven't heard anybody else talking about Haskins attitude or mindset as being a problem. Until I hear it everywhere it's a non-starter for me.

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[quote=mooby;1235677]This is that dumb shit I hate commenting on.

Nobody in their right mind was talking about Alex Smith being a viable option for 2020. After 17 surgeries the obvious move should be him retiring, and tbh he can start all he wants elsewhere but it damn sure shouldn't be here, after we wasted 40 mil in cap space on him.

And I like Lombardi on some things, I thought his criticism on the FO issues was on point but I haven't heard anybody else talking about Haskins attitude or mindset as being a problem. Until I hear it everywhere it's a non-starter for me.[/quote]

I believe it may have been Jay who said earlier in the year that of course the redskins and many other NFL teams would consider Alex Smith in 2020 if he was cleared to play and ready to go....

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It sounds like Haskins had a good day of practice with the first team since Keenum is still in concussion protocol. Also Keim said Callahan talked with Haskins over the weekend. I know Case will start this week but if Haskins can get reps thats a good thing

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1235678]I believe it may have been Jay who said earlier in the year that of course the redskins and many other NFL teams would consider Alex Smith in 2020 if he was cleared to play and ready to go....[/quote]

How long have you been a fan? Long enough to learn coach speak right?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1235629]Those two guys can call the plays. It was reported that when Haskins got in there he called the play the wrong way, Quinn went to the wrong area and then it resulted in a penalty. That's the stuff we're talking about here. Just the basic crap.



Even when we had both RG and Cousins as rookies we never heard anything about them not being able to call the plays the correct way. IDK, I want him in there as bad as everyone else but if he can't do the very basics then he simply can't play.



Also I have not heard one single player say he's ready. They all say the political correct thing. That's even more telling than what the coaches are saying. Players know..[/QUOTE]



Well let him practice with the first team, and play - put him on the fast track. If Keenum is going to be the starter next year Im done. Lol.

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Give Dwayne all the first team reps and play him for the rest of the season. If there’s no progression or he’s still an INT machine, then the draft for 2020 will be changed.

Use his performance to decide whether to draft a high QB in the first round. Give neither BA nor DS any say in the decision in the draft.

Have a true competition between the new draft pick QB and Haskins. If Haskins is the loser eventually trade him for the best deal in the following g years


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[quote=mooby;1235677]This is that dumb shit I hate commenting on.

Nobody in their right mind was talking about Alex Smith being a viable option for 2020. After 17 surgeries the obvious move should be him retiring, and tbh he can start all he wants elsewhere but it damn sure shouldn't be here, after we wasted 40 mil in cap space on him.

And I like Lombardi on some things, I thought his criticism on the FO issues was on point but I haven't heard anybody else talking about Haskins attitude or mindset as being a problem. Until I hear it everywhere it's a non-starter for me.[/quote]

That $40 million is exactly why I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get Smith back playing.

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[QUOTE=irish;1235697]That $40 million is exactly why I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get Smith back playing.[/QUOTE]



Smith would be crazy to try to risk his future health, simply for pride. He gets paid either way, so why risk becoming a cripple?


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[quote=Warthog;1235821]Smith would be crazy to try to risk his future health, simply for pride. He gets paid either way, so why risk becoming a cripple?


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I agree with you but we all know the players have a different mindset than the rest of us.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1235678]I believe it may have been Jay who said earlier in the year that of course the redskins and many other NFL teams would consider Alex Smith in 2020 if he was cleared to play and ready to go....[/quote]

[quote=mooby;1235686]How long have you been a fan? Long enough to learn coach speak right?[/quote]

If Jay Gruden isn't delusionaly optimistic about players coming back from injury, nobody is. I remember last year listening to him on the radio go over the injuries, he would refer to guys as day to day or probable for Sunday and the guys would be out a month more or worse.

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So Ryan Finley is starting this week for the Bengals?

these reports about Haskins not knowing the playbook yet and he continues not to be ready.

THIS IS A MAJOR FUCKING PROBLEM

on a team with a shit offense..what 9 quarters without a fucking TD?

Haskins wasn't even worth a 2nd round pick at this point. What a fucking joke...

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Yeah the lack of progress for Haskins is very, very alarming. Even the small sample size people have to be concerned about exactly HOW bad he looks.

Like if you're developing at a snail's pace, when you need to develop at a pretty rapid pace to even perform as well as a Joe Flacco, it's not a good sign.

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[quote=Chico23231;1235870]So Ryan Finley is starting this week for the Bengals?

these reports about Haskins not knowing the playbook yet and he continues not to be ready.

THIS IS A MAJOR FUCKING PROBLEM

on a team with a shit offense..what 9 quarters without a fucking TD?

Haskins wasn't even worth a 2nd round pick at this point. What a fucking joke...[/quote]

Is Ryan Finley starting because he's looked amazing in practice or is it because the Bengals are 0-7 with Dalton at the helm?

If the Bengals finish with 1-2 wins and Finley doesn't do any better than Dalton are you still gonna be slobbing on Finley's knob because he was starting and Haskins isn't?

I find it hella pathetic the amount of freaking out this fanbase is doing over Haskins not starting. Why do you care if he starts or not as long as next year or the year after he's playing like a pro qb? We're not contending this year, winning games only hurts our draft position.

You guys question the process like the process of getting your rookie qb to start for a team that fired the HC and replaced him with a guy who's been coaching o-line for the last 15 years is the norm.

Why don't we ask Baker Mayfield if starting early last year for a HC who was promoted from QB coach is helping him now?

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[quote=Schneed10;1235871]Yeah the lack of progress for Haskins is very, very alarming. Even the small sample size people have to be concerned about exactly HOW bad he looks.

Like if you're developing at a snail's pace, when you need to develop at a pretty rapid pace to even perform as well as a Joe Flacco, it's not a good sign.[/quote]

Does anybody think that the chaos and dysfunction of trying to learn how to be a pro qb in this environment could possibly be stunting his development?

If it's just me so be it.

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[quote=mooby;1235878]Is Ryan Finley starting because he's looked amazing in practice or is it because the Bengals are 0-7 with Dalton at the helm?

If the Bengals finish with 1-2 wins and Finley doesn't do any better than Dalton are you still gonna be slobbing on Finley's knob because he was starting and Haskins isn't?

I find it hella pathetic the amount of freaking out this fanbase is doing over Haskins not starting. Why do you care if he starts or not as long as next year or the year after he's playing like a pro qb? We're not contending this year, winning games only hurts our draft position.

You guys question the process like the process of getting your rookie qb to start for a team that fired the HC and replaced him with a guy who's been coaching o-line for the last 15 years is the norm?

Why don't we ask Baker Mayfield if starting early last year for a HC who was promoted from QB coach is helping him now?[/quote]

1. You need to see what we have in the rookie NOW...with a potential top 3 pick in the draft, we could be in a position to draft a top line QB prospect in the coming draft. Its working for Arizona versus Josh Rosen 2. Its extremely unusual for a 1st round QB to not be getting playing time in his first year. Its actually really strange. Its already speaking to the fact he was over drafted. 3. Game speed, how to run an offense, call plays, situational football....the more he knows, the better he gets. The biggest factor is this experience: RIGHT NOW it is ok to make mistakes with zilch to play for. Fuck, go out and throw 4 picks...its ok, we aren't winning the superbowl (don't let Bruce know, but we aint close).

There really isn't a negative at this point in the season.

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[quote=Chico23231;1235880]1. You need to see what we have in the rookie NOW...with a potential top 3 pick in the draft, we could be in a position to draft a top line QB prospect in the coming draft. Its working for Arizona versus Josh Rosen 2. Its extremely unusual for a 1st round QB to not be getting playing time in his first year. Its actually really strange. Its already speaking to the fact he was over drafted. 3. Game speed, how to run an offense, call plays, situational football....the more he knows, the better he gets. The biggest factor is this experience: RIGHT NOW it is ok to make mistakes with zilch to play for. Fuck, go out and throw 4 picks...its ok, we aren't winning the superbowl (don't let Bruce know, but we aint close).

There really isn't a negative at this point in the season.[/quote]

This. To not play him at this point or after the bye is just illogical.

Regardless, I think injuries make him a lock for starts at some point this season, even if the Skins wanted to not start him at all.

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Mooby - yes, I think any players progression is stunted here vs with a functional team but particularly with the Haskins situation.

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Well Haskins is getting first team reps now and he likely will play against the Bills top rated defense. Lets just let this season play out and see where the cards land.

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[quote=Chico23231;1235880]1. You need to see what we have in the rookie NOW...with a potential top 3 pick in the draft, we could be in a position to draft a top line QB prospect in the coming draft. Its working for Arizona versus Josh Rosen 2. Its extremely unusual for a 1st round QB to not be getting playing time in his first year. Its actually really strange. Its already speaking to the fact he was over drafted. 3. Game speed, how to run an offense, call plays, situational football....the more he knows, the better he gets. The biggest factor is this experience: RIGHT NOW it is ok to make mistakes with zilch to play for. Fuck, go out and throw 4 picks...its ok, we aren't winning the superbowl (don't let Bruce know, but we aint close).

There really isn't a negative at this point in the season.[/quote]

We could be in a position to draft any qb not named Tua, however I'm much more interested in drafting the best stud football player available. If the next best guy behind Tua is some average first rounder we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Yes, in today's NFL the trend is definitely towards rookie qb's starting, however that doesn't mean historically it trends well. Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, and Brees. 3 out of 4 of those qb's sat for at least a season to start their careers. The 4th became a stud in his contract year for the Chargers, who let him go because they had already drafted his replacement (who also didn't start his rookie year and has since become a quality qb).

You're not gonna convince me that a qb has to start his rookie year so you can determine if he needs to be replaced next year. It takes qb's multiple years to learn. It's the hardest position to learn, bar none. Ya'll acting like because we didn't draft the next wunderkind we need to get rid of him. Let's just be honest here Chico, you've already made your opinion of him based on the fact he hasn't looked good while playing in limited action. Unless he starts and blows the fucking doors off this franchise sometime before the end of this season the majority of this fanbase is going to advocate moving on from him if there's a better prospect available in the draft.

We all played ourselves. Dan and Bruce played Gruden. Gruden played us. Forcing a lame-duck HC to draft a qb who has no chance of coming in his rookie year and contributing is a terrible fucking move, and Haskins career is stunted from the start. He's damaged goods now and if we move on next year we're gonna be forced to sell low on him because nobody is going to give up a good draft pick for a guy you have no faith in.

The cycle of mediocrity continues.

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[quote=mooby;1235891]We could be in a position to draft any qb not named Tua, however I'm much more interested in drafting the best stud football player available. If the next best guy behind Tua is some average first rounder we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Yes, in today's NFL the trend is definitely towards rookie qb's starting, however that doesn't mean historically it trends well. Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, and Brees. 3 out of 4 of those qb's sat for at least a season to start their careers. The 4th became a stud in his contract year for the Chargers, who let him go because they had already drafted his replacement (who also didn't start his rookie year and has since become a quality qb).

You're not gonna convince me that a qb has to start his rookie year so you can determine if he needs to be replaced next year. It takes qb's multiple years to learn. It's the hardest position to learn, bar none. Ya'll acting like because we didn't draft the next wunderkind we need to get rid of him. [B]Let's just be honest here Chico, you've already made your opinion of him based on the fact he hasn't looked good while playing in limited action. Unless he starts and blows the fucking doors off this franchise sometime before the end of this season the majority of this fanbase is going to advocate moving on from him if there's a better prospect available in the draft. [/B]
We all played ourselves. Dan and Bruce played Gruden. Gruden played us. Forcing a lame-duck HC to draft a qb who has no chance of coming in his rookie year and contributing is a terrible fucking move, and Haskins career is stunted from the start. He's damaged goods now and if we move on next year we're gonna be forced to sell low on him because nobody is going to give up a good draft pick for a guy you have no faith in.

The cycle of mediocrity continues.[/quote]

I totally haven't stated this or wished this. calm the fuck down. I want Haskins to succeed and build around a young QB, who doesn't ? But first round picks play...the expectation is they can play and show an inkling of talent. But the opportunity to grab a talent in the top 3 at QB is franchise-changing, it has to be explored, simple due dillegence

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[quote=Chico23231;1235894]I totally haven't stated this or wished this. calm the fuck down. I want Haskins to succeed and build around a young QB, who doesn't ? But first round picks play...the expectation is they can play and show an inkling of talent. But the opportunity to grab a talent in the top 3 at QB is franchise-changing, it has to be explored, simple due dillegence[/quote]

I'm pretty sure we know he has an inkling of talent, the arm strength is there. Obviously he's not a quick learner or he'd already be in there.

With as much as we now know, I don't think we can judge Haskins on a week-by-week basis. He hasn't shown any flashes in game action, obviously because he's not ready. Hopefully he's starting by the end of the year just so this fanbase will shut up, but realistically his future here will be determined by the next coaching staff. The next HC is going to come in here, test and grade him, and if he doesn't meet the grade the next HC is going to want to bring in his guy regardless.

Idc what happens as long as he keeps working hard to learn. That's all I'm concerned with right now.

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Haskins should play the rest of the year so he has experience going into next year. I don't want a QB in this draft. Give me Andrew Thomas or Chase Young. The way we are playing one or both of them will be available.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1235891]We could be in a position to draft any qb not named Tua, however I'm much more interested in drafting the best stud football player available. If the next best guy behind Tua is some average first rounder we wouldn't even be having this conversation.



Yes, in today's NFL the trend is definitely towards rookie qb's starting, however that doesn't mean historically it trends well. Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, and Brees. 3 out of 4 of those qb's sat for at least a season to start their careers. The 4th became a stud in his contract year for the Chargers, who let him go because they had already drafted his replacement (who also didn't start his rookie year and has since become a quality qb).



You're not gonna convince me that a qb has to start his rookie year so you can determine if he needs to be replaced next year. It takes qb's multiple years to learn. It's the hardest position to learn, bar none. Ya'll acting like because we didn't draft the next wunderkind we need to get rid of him. Let's just be honest here Chico, you've already made your opinion of him based on the fact he hasn't looked good while playing in limited action. Unless he starts and blows the fucking doors off this franchise sometime before the end of this season the majority of this fanbase is going to advocate moving on from him if there's a better prospect available in the draft.



We all played ourselves. Dan and Bruce played Gruden. Gruden played us. Forcing a lame-duck HC to draft a qb who has no chance of coming in his rookie year and contributing is a terrible fucking move, and Haskins career is stunted from the start. He's damaged goods now and if we move on next year we're gonna be forced to sell low on him because nobody is going to give up a good draft pick for a guy you have no faith in.



The cycle of mediocrity continues.[/QUOTE]



Thing is that Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are all coming out. We might very well be picking number 2. I think you are letting your inner Redskin get in the way. Do you think the Cardinals made the right move? Of course you do. But if you were a Cards fan last year you would have been saying the same thing. Give Rosen a chance. Forget Murray. Let Rosen grow and grab a stud at some other position. It is the logical thing to not want to waste a high draft pick. Problem is that now you would not have the quarterback of the future and it might be five years before you get another chance while Rosen/Haskins doesn’t pan out. Yes quarterback is that important and yes this is the perfect time (basically 8 preseason games for us because the season is over) to see what you got.
In 8 games we can see a whole hell of alot as far as whether it is worth developing Haskins or not Mooby. Letting him hang on the sidelines is just utter nonsense at this point. If he shows enough than we know we got our guy and we build around him. If he looks as lost in week 16 as he does now than you have to draft one of those three players. I understand you want to be patient but to what end? Why not use this lost season as an opportunity to at least get a better idea of what the right decision is. It seems to be working out well for the Cardinals.
As far as Brees and those others you mentioned I could name 20 for every one of them that did not pan out after sitting. They are obviously exceptions. Usually slow learners stay slow.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1235878]Is Ryan Finley starting because he's looked amazing in practice or is it because the Bengals are 0-7 with Dalton at the helm?



If the Bengals finish with 1-2 wins and Finley doesn't do any better than Dalton are you still gonna be slobbing on Finley's knob because he was starting and Haskins isn't?



I find it hella pathetic the amount of freaking out this fanbase is doing over Haskins not starting. Why do you care if he starts or not as long as next year or the year after he's playing like a pro qb? We're not contending this year, winning games only hurts our draft position.



You guys question the process like the process of getting your rookie qb to start for a team that fired the HC and replaced him with a guy who's been coaching o-line for the last 15 years is the norm.



Why don't we ask Baker Mayfield if starting early last year for a HC who was promoted from QB coach is helping him now?[/QUOTE]Wow! Someone who is finally speaking some sense! [emoji106]

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It’s an absolute joke that anyone thinks Haskins is a bust

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[QUOTE=30gut;1235903]It’s an absolute joke that anyone thinks Haskins is a bust[/QUOTE]I'll grab my giant shoes, makeup and red clown nose then.

Dude is a chump.

Played one year with a STACKED OSU team.

He will never be an NFL starter, period.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1235887]Well Haskins is getting first team reps now and he likely will play against the Bills top rated defense. Lets just let this season play out and see where the cards land.

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I'm leaning towards him not starting against Buffalo. I think the team is fine with him not starting at all this year. And no guarantees he heads into next year as the starter. Don't call it an Alex Smith comeback folks.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1235903]It’s an absolute joke that anyone thinks Haskins is a bust[/QUOTE]Based on what you know now, should the Redskins pick a QB in the 2020 draft?

If so, early, mid, or late rounds? (Assuming draft grades are equal with players at other positions)

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1235933]Based on what you know now, should the Redskins pick a QB in the 2020 draft?

If so, early, mid, or late rounds? (Assuming draft grades are equal with players at other positions)

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Problem is what do we know based on 22 passes and no starts



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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1235887]Well Haskins is getting first team reps now and he likely will play against the Bills top rated defense. Lets just let this season play out and see where the cards land.

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On the other hand I don't think previous lack of first team reps is really stunting his growth. A huge problem is his inconsistent footwork, which effects the accuracy needed to succeed as an NFL QB. He could work on that playing QB in a High School practice scrimmage.