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Great news!!!

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Look like Wilks is not coming, not that I am devastated by that

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Source close to Steve Wilks said at this time he does not expect him to join Ron Rivera in Washington as the DC. Had coached with him in Carolina.

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I don’t even know that I should use a qualifier. Asked again. Told simply “he’s not coming”.

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So Ron’s wife was a former coaching assistant for the Mystics, maybe having spent time in Washington helped convince her husband? Just saying.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1241361]So much for the hands off approach.

Per Grant Paulson:

Dan Snyder is running the house-cleaning show solo today. He is handling exit conversations with departing staffers like Larry Hess in his office at the park. Used to be other people to do that but with Allen out and other changes in the works it's his show today.[/quote]

Good for Dan. It's a step in the right direction. But he still has a long way to go in winning anyones trust back. Let's remember he hired a two time winning SB coach and totally undermined him. I still don't trust him, only time will tell if he's truly going to do things the right way.

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Matt Cavanaugh might be safe, he’s worked with Ron in the past:

[url]https://theriotreport.com/listed-without-commentary-a-full-list-of-coaches-ron-rivera-has-previously-worked-with/[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1241379]Good for Dan. It's a step in the right direction. But he still has a long way to go in winning anyones trust back. Let's remember he hired a two time winning SB coach and totally undermined him. I still don't trust him, only time will tell if he's truly going to do things the right way.[/QUOTE]



To think otherwise is to endorse “winning off the field.”

That said, Schneed’s excellent posts here and in the TW thread have convinced me that there are unprecedented and positive steps the organization (DS) can and should take now to show accountability for past mistakes. Still not “winning,” but “professional” would be apt and a good sign.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241379]Good for Dan. It's a step in the right direction. But he still has a long way to go in winning anyones trust back. Let's remember he hired a two time winning SB coach and totally undermined him. I still don't trust him, only time will tell if he's truly going to do things the right way.[/quote]

So in response to everyone who commented to this, I was trying to be sarcastic. Lol. Nice to see an actual good reason for him to be hands on for once... because no one is left!

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Source close to Steve Wilks said at this time he does not expect him to join Ron Rivera in Washington as the DC. Had coached with him in Carolina.

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Per ESPN - Jack Del Rio is the front runner for the job

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Leslie Frazier could be a name to watch for DC.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241384]Leslie Frazier could be a name to watch for DC.[/quote]

I would endorse this hiring as d-coordinator. He never lived up to his billing as a HC but those Minny d's he ran were very good back in the day.

Not sure how to feel about Jack Del Rio as d-coordinator, I don't know enough about him beyond his mediocre HC history.

I am happy we're not getting Wilks though, his history is underwhelming.

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[quote=mooby;1241385]I would endorse this hiring as d-coordinator. He never lived up to his billing as a HC but those Minny d's he ran were very good back in the day.

Not sure how to feel about Jack Del Rio as d-coordinator, I don't know enough about him beyond his mediocre HC history.

I am happy we're not getting Wilks though, his history is underwhelming.[/quote]

He is 182-154 in his career and 8-7 in the playoffs.. That's pretty damn good

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1241383]Source close to Steve Wilks said at this time he does not expect him to join Ron Rivera in Washington as the DC. Had coached with him in Carolina.

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Per ESPN - [B]Jack Del Rio [/B]is the front runner for the job[/quote]

This is would be extremely underwhelming.

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Del Rio is a good DC. Between him and Rivera, discipline would be a real premium. What a change. I’d be cool with this. Quality coaches.


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I'd rather have Del Rio over Wilks

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Del Rio as DC sign me up

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Love Del Rio as DC. I do hope they can convince Tomsula to stay.

So far, the Redskins are knocking it out of the park.

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I like Del Rio solid no nonsense DC.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1241386]He is 182-154 in his career and 8-7 in the playoffs.. That's pretty damn good[/quote]

I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about because it sure as hell isn't Leslie Frazier, Jack Del Rio, or Steve Wilks.

I wanna say you're talking about Jack Del Rio because he's been a HC longer than the other two but I completely stand by my point that Del Rio was a mediocre head coach.

In 12 years as a HC (9 with the Jags, 3 with the Raiders) he made the playoffs 3 times. In those 3 times he has a 1-3 record. He had the occasional good one-off year for the Jags and the Raiders but they were anomalies as the 1-3 playoff record proves. He's never led a contender.

Anyways IDW focus on his HC record because we're looking at him as a d-coordinator. Alls I'm gonna say for now is I think he's a better choice than Steve Wilks.

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I was hoping for someone a lil more aggressive. Hopefully Ron and him can put it together.

What were the ranking with the Broncos defense...that’s the last time he was a coordinator?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241384]Leslie Frazier could be a name to watch for DC.[/quote]

that would be a dream...but why would he Buffalo?

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[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DelRJa0.htm[/url]

Del Rio came up as a linebackers coach for the 2000 Ravens defense.

In 2002 he became d-coordinator Carolina, led them to the #2 D (in yards) that year. 2003 became Jags head coach.

After the Jags in 2012 he became DC with the Broncos. 3 seasons as Broncos d-coordinator they ranked 2, 19, and 3 in yards allowed. 4, 22, and 16 in points allowed, and 16, 16, 14 in takeaways (lower is better).

My #1 choice is Leslie Frazier, but I'd settle for Del Rio after Haslett, Barry, and Manusky. GD Jay Gruden couldn't pick a defensive coordinator for shit.

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Seems like Del Rio came through the ranks of some top notch Ds. If it is who Rivera wants then get him signed.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1241369]This reminds me of the Shanahan hire. [B]A guy who wants full control of football decisions.
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I'm crossing my fingers that he's here long enough to build a winner. How long will it take for either Rivera to despise Synder or Synder to despise Rivera?[/quote]

He doesn't want full control...

[quote]
“I don’t want personnel control,” [URL="https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=66960X1516590&xs=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fnews%2Fstory%2F0ap3000001092047%2Farticle%2Fsilver-ron-rivera-ready-to-roll-into-next-hc-job&referrer=sbnation.com&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbnation.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F12%2F30%2F21043286%2Fron-rivera-washington-nfl-coach-hiring-daniel-snyder"][COLOR=#0066cc]Rivera said[/COLOR][/URL]. “I just want to be able to pick which 46 are active for game day, and have a collaborative relationship (with a general manager) — and, if there’s a conflict, be able at least to go to the owner and state my case.”

[URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/12/30/21043286/ron-rivera-washington-nfl-coach-hiring-daniel-snyder"]4 reasons Ron Rivera is the right hire as Washington’s next coach[/URL]
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Im fine with the Rivera hire and honestly dont know much about 95% of the coaches and coord out there but ...

only 3 winning seasons in 9 years with Carolina.

Is he like a John Harbaugh? Doesnt call off or def plays and is just a leader of men? Not that a "leader of men" isnt a bad type of HC to have. We saw what happened when we had an offensive minded but too easy going type HC in Gruden.

Rivera will bring accountability and (been reported) that he is good and interested in knowing the players off the field. But are we leaving the offense ingenuity and adaptability to a 32 year old Kevin OConnell? I hope we can retain Cavanaugh and he is not a candidate to be poached.

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[quote=mooby;1241399][url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DelRJa0.htm[/url]

Del Rio came up as a linebackers coach for the 2000 Ravens defense.

In 2002 he became d-coordinator Carolina, led them to the #2 D (in yards) that year. 2003 became Jags head coach.

After the Jags in 2012 he became DC with the Broncos. 3 seasons as Broncos d-coordinator they ranked 2, 19, and 3 in yards allowed. 4, 22, and 16 in points allowed, and 16, 16, 14 in takeaways (lower is better).

My #1 choice is Leslie Frazier, but I'd settle for Del Rio after Haslett, Barry, and Manusky. GD Jay Gruden couldn't pick a defensive coordinator for shit.[/quote]

well that's much better than I thought...Cool. Im good

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[quote=SunnySide;1241402]Im fine with the Rivera hire and honestly dont know much about 95% of the coaches and coord out there but ...

only 3 winning seasons in 9 years with Carolina.

Is he like a John Harbaugh? Doesnt call off or def plays and is just a leader of men? Not that a "leader of men" isnt a bad type of HC to have. We saw what happened when we had an offensive minded but too easy going type HC in Gruden.

Rivera will bring accountability and (been reported) that he is good and interested in knowing the players off the field. But are we leaving the offense ingenuity and adaptability to a 32 year old Kevin OConnell? I hope we can retain Cavanaugh and he is not a candidate to be poached.[/quote]

Cavanaugh and Rivera have coaches together in the past.

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With a defensive HC like Rivera it does not bother me much who he chooses as the DC as it will be his choice of guys who are going to run a system with him overseeing it..... the OC I think is far more important and one where Rivera has not set the world on fire in the past, maybe that is why he liked the Redskins job with KOC in the job already, a guy highly regarded in the league and reportedly on the top of Josh McDaniels OCs list should he get a HC job

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Adam Schefter: Jack Del Rio will be the Redskins new defensive coordinator

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Jack Del Rio resume:

- in 2002, joins Carolina Panthers as defensive coordinator, defense finishes ranked 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 31st in the year before. (overlaps with current Panthers GM Marty Hurney that year, who took over as GM of the Panthers in 2002 as his first GM job)

- in 2003 becomes the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Defense finishes 6th in yards allowed, compared to 20th in the year before.

- in 2012 becomes the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos, they finish 2nd in yards allowed, compared to 20th the year before.

There were of course other stops in there. But like Rivera, a clear track record of immediate defensive improvement in the first year.

Worth noting of course that in 2015 Wade Phillips replaced him as defensive coordinator and put together an all time defense. A lot of Broncos fans would say Del Rio's defenses were not aggressive enough - too bland - rushing 4 and not blitzing enough.

If Chase Young is a part of the front 4, I don't think we'll have to blitz much. Regardless, this is leaps and bounds beyond Greg Manusky. HTTR

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We've got some grownups in the building folks

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The dream is having a front 4 that can generate so much pass rush you don't need to blitz. Historically, the best teams that have done that have won SB's (2011 Giants, 2007 Giants, 2000 Ravens immediately come to mind).

It's too early to call but if your front 4 can't generate enough pass rush you have to blitz. Seems that's where Del Rio has gotten into trouble.

I recall with Jacksonville early on he had a fantastic d-line with Marcus Stroud and John Henderson.

We'll see what he's able to do with the pieces we have and the pieces incoming, but I'm more optimistic about him than I ever was about Manusky, or Barry, or Haslett.

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Yes, getting pressure on 4-5 man fronts seems to be one of the requirements for a dominant D in the current NFL. We have the personnel for it. The ingredients are there, especially w adding a Chase Young.

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[quote=mooby;1241433][B]The dream is having a front 4 that can generate so much pass rush you don't need to blitz. Historically, the best teams that have done that have won SB's (2011 Giants, 2007 Giants, 2000 Ravens immediately come to mind).
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It's too early to call but if your front 4 can't generate enough pass rush you have to blitz. Seems that's where Del Rio has gotten into trouble.

I recall with Jacksonville early on he had a fantastic d-line with Marcus Stroud and John Henderson.

We'll see what he's able to do with the pieces we have and the pieces incoming, but I'm more optimistic about him than I ever was about Manusky, or Barry, or Haslett.[/quote]

Correct and with Young, Sweat, Allen, Payne, and Ionnadis I feel that we can have a rotation of 4 who can get pressure without blitzing now that we don't have a complete idiot as a DC

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1241348]I am pretty sure Bruce Allen getting the boot helped Rivera's decision.[/QUOTE]



Rivera wouldn’t even come here if Bruce Allen was around in any capacity. He wasn’t the only HC and GM candidates who said they were only interested if BA was gone. Bruce had a very poor reputation in the NFL and look how his mismanagement wrecked people’s careers.


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I think this is a turning point for the Redskins in the Snyder era. Snyder used a secret group of very good NFL guru’s to plot his course. In the past he hired a “yes man” so he and his lackey could be part of draft and FA acquisition. Both these toadies (Cerrato and Allen) had weak NFL knowledge, which is why we had so many FA and draft blunders.

Now there is no “yes man”. Snyder and his advisors are making deliberate and smart moves to change the team’s culture and management. Rivera will control this draft and FA pickups this spring. We are in a very good position. Getting rid of deadwood FA will get us $80-90 million in cap money. I think we’ll get an elite TE FA and some more DB. I think they will try to resign Scherff and Trent Williams. Draft wise the team has that incredible #2 pick. It’s either Chase Young or a boatload of picks from a desperate team - can’t go wrong either way!

I’m cautiously optimistic that Snyder will stay at the strategic level and just sign the checks. Rivera will evaluate the scouting department (Kyle Smith) and the cap guru for the draft. Rivera will help choose the GM and VP, so there will be NO repeat of the lackey-type of selection of before.

I’m excited to see what other coaches are hired? O’Connell at OC?


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Gave this a B right now I would move it up to an A if they get a GM that is not oil to Rivera’s water

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1241481]Gave this a B right now I would move it up to an A if they get a GM that is not oil to Rivera’s water[/QUOTE]



They’re not going to hire a GM until AFTER the draft. That way he can evaluate the scouting department and Kyle Smith. He will be the determiner for the GM, so that means they will definitely will work well together. Kyle Smith either does very well in the draft and meshes with Rivera or Rivera will choose a GM from outside the franchise. Either way we’re going to get a very good GM, versus Bruce Allen’s buffoonery.


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Coaching choosing the GM? Does that happen on other teams? I always thought the GM would make personnel decisions.

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I think this is a terrible move in the fact that the new GM should be the one to hire the coach. Now you are starting off on a bad foot with a new GM coming in that might not want Ron or the draft picks that are going to be picked this year. You've essentially tied a GM to Ron for 5 years. Dumbfounded by that strategy.

Terrible terrible owner we have. This moron still doesn't get it and never will.


I have no issues with Ron, just that the GM should be making that decision. This is not going to end well either.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1241484]Coaching choosing the GM? Does that happen on other teams? I always thought the GM would make personnel decisions.[/quote]

Not always, I would say the GM/president of football ops reports to the owner and the HC reports to the GM.

I can't find the tweet but someone mentioned the traditional structure is that Team President runs football and business ops, president of football ops runs the GM/roster building, GM is usually in charge of/part of the roster-building ops.

There's still a lot of unanswered questions about how this power structure works but the key thing for me is making sure that Ron + whoever (whether Kyle Smith gets a promotion from college scouting) or we bring in someone as GM, or Team President, or President of Football Ops, they all have to be on the same page about how to build the team. We can't have any more situations where Dan or the next Bruce Allen sends word down that he wants this player that doesn't mesh with what the coaching staff wants.

My other thing is I hate to say it but I think Doug Williams needs to go. The interview where he talked about how scheme fit wasn't a factor in signing Landon Collins really turned me off to the idea that he knows what he's doing. If you're going to pay a man 84 million dollars why the hell wouldn't you want to make sure his strengths align with yours?