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I have seen Burrow's Tape, have been high on him since the Texas game.. I'd take him over Haskins for sure

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And that is not a big knock on Dwayne, he's got potential to be a very good QB

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[quote=Chico23231;1244272]If you watch all 50 TD throws of Haskins in 2018 vs Burrow TD throws this past year....

You draft Burrow and trade Haskins for a 5th round pick...and wouldn't think twice.[/quote]

Guess we don't agree on everything. Will be interesting to see their careers play out. Just do the right thing Cincinnati.

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IF Cincy took Young what would we do ? I know that if I were picking it would be the QB or at least I would come out of it with at least 3 number ones and more! I wonder if we offered Haskins to cincy if they would swap picks ... hmmm they get Haskins and Young we get Burrows ...I’m sorry but I’m not sold at all on Haskins ..

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[quote=Chico23231;1244272]If you watch all 50 TD throws of Haskins in 2018 vs Burrow TD throws this past year....

You draft Burrow and trade Haskins for a 5th round pick...and wouldn't think twice.[/quote]

I agree !!!

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If you were stupid enough to trade Haskins for a 5th round pick, you should have thought about it at least twice, and maybe 3 or 4 times.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1244297]If you were stupid enough to trade Haskins for a 5th round pick, you should have thought about it at least twice, and maybe 3 or 4 times.[/quote]

Ehhh that not really the point of the post. Burrow is heads and tails a better passer who made NFL reads in a more NFL-like passing scheme.

The reason I chose 5 was that was the closes number to my finger when typing...was an afterthought of the post.

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You could put chase young on the 49ers D and the chiefs would still have won ... QB play wins championships.. give me Brady,Rogers,Brees in there prime and I will give you whoever you want rushing them .. you can scheme around a pass rush ..

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1244288]Guess we don't agree on everything. Will be interesting to see their careers play out. Just do the right thing Cincinnati.[/quote]

I think i agree with you i'm rolling with DH. Burrows will be good but i think DH's intelligence will win in the end.

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We are committed to Haskins. His last two games were amazing for a rookie with just 6-7 games experience, a creaky OL, no TE worth a wooden nickle, 3 rookie WR. The offense, especially the OL was undisciplined and committed A LOT of penalties. The offense was wedded to a archaic running system that mostly failed and with the many penalties both which often forced him into “third and long” situations. His second to last game he had a 120 QB rating. In his last game he had a 141 rating before he was hurt.

He played hurt without complaint which showed his toughness. He can run more than was thought when we drafted him and he isn’t afraid to take a hit to get a first down. I think with the MANY new improvements such as in the OL, adding some quality TEs, a better Offensive Coordinator, this offense will help Haskins in many ways. Will he still make rookie mistakes? Sure, but he will get better. Then we’ll see how high he can go.

I remember at the beginning of the season there were many proponents for a “sit out the season or more”. After a few tough games many said he was a TOTAL BUST. Some still advocate getting Tua or somebody else and trading Haskins. Take Burrows if the Bengals draft Chase Young. They forget that Haskins BEAT Burrows at Ohio. So the doubters continue.

When you use a high first round draft pick for a Qb you have to give him some time to prove whether he is a franchise QB or a bust. Otherwise you are just spinning your wheels. When was the last time the Redskins had a franchise QB from the draft?
Cousins - who we let go. Before him the draft failures of RG3, Campbell and Shuler, who were busts. Let’s hope Haskins is our next franchise QB and has the high end that the team thought when they drafted him. We saw glimpses of it in this last season.


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Just read online, an inside source came out on Twitter saying:

Bears may be looking to trade Khalil Mack, possibly a 2nd (or two) and possibly one (or two) future firsts to the redskins for the #2 pick ...

If they came at us with an offer around that, what would you do?

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[quote=Meks;1244575]Just read online, an inside source came out on Twitter saying:

Bears may be looking to trade Khalil Mack, possibly a 2nd (or two) and possibly one (or two) future firsts to the redskins for the #2 pick ...

If they came at us with an offer around that, what would you do?[/quote]

I'd draft Chase Young with a smile on my face.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1244575]Just read online, an inside source came out on Twitter saying:



Bears may be looking to trade Khalil Mack, possibly a 2nd (or two) and possibly one (or two) future firsts to the redskins for the #2 pick ...



If they came at us with an offer around that, what would you do?[/QUOTE]



Khalil Mack is 28 an obviously elite LB. But there has to be a first rounder and their second rounder for this season also in the deal.


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[quote=Meks;1244575]Just read online, an inside source came out on Twitter saying:

Bears may be looking to trade Khalil Mack, possibly a 2nd (or two) and possibly one (or two) future firsts to the redskins for the #2 pick ...

If they came at us with an offer around that, what would you do?[/quote]

I don't see why they would do that, if they offered Mack and their 1st we would be crazy to pass that up.. He's an All Pro in his prime, Young has great potential but Mack is proven.

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"The Bears would incur $45m+ in dead cap if they traded Khalil Mack and would actually LOSE roughly $19m in cap space by doing this." Barstool Sports

This is not happening.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244584]I don't see why they would do that, if they offered Mack and their 1st we would be crazy to pass that up.. He's an All Pro in his prime, Young has great potential but Mack is proven.[/quote]

The Bears don't have a 1st in this draft.

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Another hypothetical trade to keep people interested in the NFL until the draft. In other words, something that will never happen.


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New mock up by Daniel J and Bucky Brooks. Bucky explains why he thinks they will draft Chase at 2. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoanMXj9fXo[/url]

It's a good explanation in football sense vs just watching highlights of random guys and making Madden like trades lol.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1244613]New mock up by Daniel J and Bucky Brooks. Bucky explains why he thinks they will draft Chase at 2. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoanMXj9fXo[/url]

It's a good explanation in football sense vs just watching highlights of random guys and making Madden like trades lol.[/quote]

Thanks Bucky, glad to have you here bringing insight to the peons like myself.

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[quote=mooby;1244634]Thanks Bucky, glad to have you here bringing insight to the peons like myself.[/quote]

What is the name Bucky short for? And why would he agreed to be called that? He should do a YouTube series just on that

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Name is William so have no idea

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[quote=Chico23231;1244647]What is the name Bucky short for? And why would he agreed to be called that? He should do a YouTube series just on that[/quote]

William, not hard to find out. I guess William, Will, Bill, Bucky? Maybe his mom or dad gave him the nickname. Thats as far as I can be asked to speculate.

Listening to him he seems to have his head on straight and he's got a steady job doing this kind of analysis so must be doing something right.

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IMO a good pass rush makes average DB's better. If CY is there when we have the #2 pick take him it's a no brainer.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1244675]IMO a good pass rush makes average DB's better. If CY is there when we have the #2 pick take him it's a no brainer.[/quote]

The only 2 guys I'd be happy with if we did trade out of #2 are:

Okudah
Simmons

Both are big time play makers on the defensive side.

That is if we are also getting an additional #1 and taking OL with the later pick.

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So it was reported (and subsequently denied) that the Lions are trying to trade Stafford, which means they'd likely be targeting a QB in the 1st round.

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable"]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable[/URL]

This makes my dream scenario more likely - if the Lions really want Tua, they'd need to trade up to 2 to get him. And trading down to 3 makes a lot of sense for us, since we could still draft Young.

We get Young at 3 and pick up atleast the Lions 2nd round pick - and likely more. For all we know, the Dolphins may offer all 3 of their 1st round picks to move up to 2, which means if the Lions wanted to beat them, they'd need to throw in next years 1st too.

A lot is yet to happen, but thanks to Tua mania, everything is playing out perfectly for us to get more picks - and still get young.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1244678]So it was reported (and subsequently denied) that the Lions are trying to trade Stafford, which means they'd likely be targeting a QB in the 1st round.

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable"]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable[/URL]

This makes my dream scenario more likely - if the Lions really want Tua, they'd need to trade up to 2 to get him. And trading down to 3 makes a lot of sense for us, since we could still draft Young.

We get Young at 3 and pick up atleast the Lions 2nd round pick - and likely more. For all we know, the Dolphins may offer all 3 of their 1st round picks to move up to 2, which means if the Lions wanted to beat them, they'd need to throw in next years 1st too.

A lot is yet to happen, but thanks to Tua mania, everything is playing out perfectly for us to get more picks - and still get young.[/quote]


Lions would have 34M in dead cap they would owe... It's not happening, these are just headlines because there is nothing to talk about. I'd be shocked if the top 5 teams moved at all

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1244678]So it was reported (and subsequently denied) that the Lions are trying to trade Stafford, which means they'd likely be targeting a QB in the 1st round.

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable"]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable[/URL]

This makes my dream scenario more likely - if the Lions really want Tua, they'd need to trade up to 2 to get him. And trading down to 3 makes a lot of sense for us, since we could still draft Young.

We get Young at 3 and pick up atleast the Lions 2nd round pick - and likely more. For all we know, the Dolphins may offer all 3 of their 1st round picks to move up to 2, which means if the Lions wanted to beat them, they'd need to throw in next years 1st too.

A lot is yet to happen, but thanks to Tua mania, everything is playing out perfectly for us to get more picks - and still get young.[/quote]

If we were foolish enough to buy into this gambit, it would take the Lions about two seconds after the trade became official to draft Young.

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All smoke and mirrors at this time of year... interestingly the one team with something to gain from spreading that rumour would be the Redskins trying to convince Miami to trade the farm for the second pick....

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1244678]So it was reported (and subsequently denied) that the Lions are trying to trade Stafford, which means they'd likely be targeting a QB in the 1st round.

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable"]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/real-or-fake-matt-stafford-trade-rumors-only-make-redskins-no-2-pick-more-valuable[/URL]

This makes my dream scenario more likely - if the Lions really want Tua, they'd need to trade up to 2 to get him. And trading down to 3 makes a lot of sense for us, since we could still draft Young.

We get Young at 3 and pick up atleast the Lions 2nd round pick - and likely more. For all we know, the Dolphins may offer all 3 of their 1st round picks to move up to 2, which means if the Lions wanted to beat them, they'd need to throw in next years 1st too.

A lot is yet to happen, but thanks to Tua mania, everything is playing out perfectly for us to get more picks - and still get young.[/quote]

I rather not play with fire if RR and front office all see CY as cant miss, best prospect in the draft

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[quote=Chico23231;1244682]I rather not play with fire if RR and front office all see CY as cant miss, best prospect in the draft[/quote]

I agree, which is why you only do the deal once you are on the clock, the bengals have already drafted Burrow, and you have assurances from the Lions that they are taking Tua; thereby having confidence you'd be able to get young at 3. The only risk in that scenario is that the Lions were lying and planning to take Young - which they would not do as once word got out, no one would ever trade with them again. Teams will publicly lie about their intentions all the time, but these front office people have to work with eachother year after year - there really is very minimal risk to this approach.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244679]Lions would have 34M in dead cap they would owe... It's not happening, these are just headlines because there is nothing to talk about. I'd be shocked if the top 5 teams moved at all[/quote]

Even if they trade Stafford before the draft they'd still 34M in dead cap?

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Yep

"If he’s with the Lions in 2020, he will count $21,300,000 against the Lions 2020 Cap.

If he’s not with the Lions, he will count $32,000,000 against the Lions 2020 Cap."

Andrew Brandt

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244679]Lions would have 34M in dead cap they would owe... It's not happening, these are just headlines because there is nothing to talk about. I'd be shocked if the top 5 teams moved at all[/quote]

I see this as more a gambit to get a team to trade with Detroit, and I definitely think either or both Detroit or the Giants will get some excellent trade offers from teams picking after the Dolphins, or possibly the Dolphins. One of those two spots will likely be traded (3 or 4 to teams picking 5,6 or 7). I doubt it will be a blockbuster trade, but one team will gain a few nice picks for a small drop in position.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244686]Yep

"If he’s with the Lions in 2020, he will count $21,300,000 against the Lions 2020 Cap.

If he’s not with the Lions, he will count $32,000,000 against the Lions 2020 Cap."

Andrew Brandt[/quote]

but ultimately that is a 10M cap hit for cutting/trading him. If they are picking up a rookie qb in his place they could afford that. Not saying they will/would, just that they could.

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It's possible Lions draft Tua and let him sit behind Staffford this year, fully heal and get acclimated to the NFL speed like Chiefs did with Mahomes...and maybe they trade him next season.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1244684]I agree, which is why you only do the deal once you are on the clock, the bengals have already drafted Burrow, and you have assurances from the Lions that they are taking Tua; thereby having confidence you'd be able to get young at 3. The only risk in that scenario is that the Lions were lying and planning to take Young - which they would not do as once word got out, no one would ever trade with them again. Teams will publicly lie about their intentions all the time, but these front office people have to work with eachother year after year - there really is very minimal risk to this approach.[/quote]

def folks would continue to trade if it improves their team and another issue would be after the trade, some one else offers Detroit a cant miss deal.

I just rather get the guy I want. Plus Stafford isn't going anywhere. he isn't the problem there.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244688]but ultimately that is a 10M cap hit for cutting/trading him. If they are picking up a rookie qb in his place they could afford that. Not saying they will/would, just that they could.[/quote]

Actually, the cap hit for cutting or trading him would be $10.7 million plus the cost of his replacement. They pay the $21.3 million either way, and if he isn't on the team, another quarterback has to be paid.

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[quote=Number44;1244691]Actually, the cap hit for cutting or trading him would be $10.7 million plus the cost of his replacement. They pay the $21.3 million either way, and if he isn't on the team, another quarterback has to be paid.[/quote]Right, and if they trade him they clearly would take Tua or Herbert which would be the rookie pay that they would take anyway.

Now maybe they would need better backups (0-8 with backups last season) but that would be true anyways.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244693]Right, and if they trade him they clearly would take Tua or Herbert which would be the rookie pay [B]that they would take anyway. [/B]

Now maybe they would need better backups (0-8 with backups last season) but that would be true anyways.[/quote]

I'm not sure what you are saying here. If you are saying that the Lions would not have to pay a quarterback to replace Stafford should they trade or release him, we are in disagreement.

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[QUOTE=Number44;1244697]I'm not sure what you are saying here. If you are saying that the Lions would not have to pay a quarterback to replace Stafford should they trade or release him, we are in disagreement.[/QUOTE]No, i am saying if they took a qb 3rd overall they would pay him a rookie wage for the next 5 years. Or roughly 8million this year. (Kyler Murray's cap hit was 6.3 mill for #1 overall last year)

It is a lot for a qb slot(40mill) but the next 4 years you have a lot of space to build around (assuming new cba gets done)

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