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I’m planning on returning this season to Fed Ex...thinking the 11/8 games versus the Giants. Want to see a def win on my return especially against a garbage franchise. This game would meet both requirements.

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NFL has 5 billion in TV revenue on the line.
They are going to play with or without fans.

Players will probably have to wear full mask visors with snorkels or motorcycle style helmets.

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[quote=jamf;1252247]NFL has 5 billion in TV revenue on the line.
They are going to play with or without fans.

Players will probably have to wear full mask visors with snorkels or motorcycle style helmets.[/quote]

I saw this same thing being talked about on the NFL subreddit. Apparently they are testing a few different options regarding masks and helmets. They have a prototype full face helmet that very much resembles a motorcycle helmet.

They are also trying to test wearing masks inside the regular helmet. I heard one suggestion that once the players enter the field and they have the helmets on with the masks, they are not permitted to take them off during the game unless there is injury, or at half-time, etc...

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I would think that testing and isolation of players away from sources of infection are a better approach than masks etc. as they are likely to inhibit performance. And we know that players will find a way to circumvent them if they can rather than suffer that.

Putting players up in hotels or team facilities during the season (or at least to start it) where they can be isolated with close family and away from unnecessary risk seems more practical and manageable. nobody is going to like it, but it would be simpler to implement.

Ultimately it's not like here in the UK where we have a single government to hand out the rules etc. You have state by state variations that make it more complicated. But everyone wants to get back to normal as soon as practical/safe. so there's going to have to be some form of compromise on all sides.

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Here in PA, Governor Wolf gave the all clear for professional sports teams to resume practicing and resume games, doing so under the safety guidelines from the CDC.

Wolf has been one of the more careful governors on handling shut-downs. As he should be since PA has been hit pretty hard.

If he's giving the all clear now, then the NFL will certainly have no problem playing games in the fall. Too much money at stake for all sides, even in empty stadiums.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252210][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/troy-vincent-nfl-planning-for-full-stadiums-until-medical-community-tells-us-otherwise/[/url]

NFL planning for full stadiums 'until medical community tells us otherwise

Love it... That should be the plan.[/quote]

Amen.

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[quote=Schneed10;1252259]Here in PA, Governor Wolf gave the all clear for professional sports teams to resume practicing and resume games, doing so under the safety guidelines from the CDC.

Wolf has been one of the more careful governors on handling shut-downs. As he should be since PA has been hit pretty hard.

If he's giving the all clear now, then the NFL will certainly have no problem playing games in the fall. Too much money at stake for all sides, even in empty stadiums.[/quote]

And i suppose too, that similar to baseball, the NFL might be able to work out something where if there are states that don't permit pro sports, they could move some of those games to states that would be open for it. Not sure how that would work, but i do feel time is on our side here as the season doesn't start until 3 months from now, and with things improving a little bit every day, maybe the impact to the NFL season / games, etc., is very minimal.

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I don't think it's very realistic to expect packed stadiums this season. The NFL can say that's what they're planning on, but that's a best case scenario and probably a long shot at that without a vaccine in place.

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[quote=MTK;1252269]I don't think it's very realistic to expect packed stadiums this season. The NFL can say that's what they're planning on, but that's a best case scenario and probably a long shot at that without a vaccine in place.[/quote]


Who's to say? You could be right, if, things look exactly like they do today with the virus. But that's probably not gonna be the case.

The virus will either spike hard when the country reopens, or it will continue to decline.

If it continues to decline, over the next 3 months, I think it's highly possible that the NFL's current plan for full stadiums happens.

Time will tell.

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packed stadiums? probably not. but people are going to go and hopefully take the precautions they need to take. as time goes on the massive panic that the media has created will die down. it's already dying down.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1252271]Who's to say? You could be right, if, things look exactly like they do today with the virus. But that's probably not gonna be the case.

The virus will either spike hard when the country reopens, or it will continue to decline.

If it continues to decline, over the next 3 months, I think it's highly possible that the NFL's current plan for full stadiums happens.

Time will tell.[/quote]

I think we're a long ways off from large gatherings like packed stadiums for sports or concerts. And with massive unemployment who's going to drop hundreds of dollars on a game?

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[quote=MTK;1252273]I think we're a long ways off from large gatherings like packed stadiums for sports or concerts. And with massive unemployment who's going to drop hundreds of dollars on a game?[/quote]


It's May 28.

And this virus isn't as deadly as it was supposed to be when we took drastic actions to shut the world down. Positive tests are exploding, but deaths and hospitalizations are still declining.

Sure there will be some to scared to resume normal life. But most will.

There are 3 long months before the regular season starts.

Like I said ... time will tell.

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Yeah a lot can definitely change in 3 months, like 100,000 dead, and that was with shutting everything down.

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[quote=MTK;1252278]Yeah a lot can definitely change in 3 months, like 100,000 dead, and that was with shutting everything down.[/quote]

I know i am the resident doom and gloom / armageddon guy here, but even I think that we will never see another widespread lockdown like what we just endured. I think more likely will be hotspot cities will be quarantined IF there is another flare up. Even Dr. Fauci is now saying that it is not a "given" that we see a resurgance of the virus.

I also think that by next year at this time, Coronavirus has been replaced in the media with whatever else is the big talking point. There will be a risk, sure, but slowly and surely i feel like people are getting more confident by the day.

And that is also one way a pandemic ends, when the population decides that the loss of liberty / quality of life, etc. outweighs the risk of the virus. People at some point will "move on" so to speak and go back to living their every day lives again.

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[quote=MTK;1252278]Yeah a lot can definitely change in 3 months, like 100,000 dead, and that was with shutting everything down.[/quote]


That won't happen between now and Aug 28.

Promise you.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252280]I know i am the resident doom and gloom / armageddon guy here, but even I think that we will never see another widespread lockdown like what we just endured. I think more likely will be hotspot cities will be quarantined IF there is another flare up. Even Dr. Fauci is now saying that it is not a "given" that we see a resurgance of the virus.

I also think that by next year at this time, Coronavirus has been replaced in the media with whatever else is the big talking point. There will be a risk, sure, but slowly and surely i feel like people are getting more confident by the day.

And that is also one way a pandemic ends, when the population decides that the loss of liberty / quality of life, etc. outweighs the risk of the virus. People at some point will "move on" so to speak and go back to living their every day lives again.[/quote]

Exactly.

When all is said and done, this virus' mortality rates [I][B]may[/B][/I] be 3 times that as the flu. Which would mean that 99.7 per cent of those who get it, survive. People will easily decide that living life will outweigh the risks associated with this form of COVID.

It still sucks to have people die from this ... I lost an aunt and uncle to COVID 19. It's been brutal.

But 0.3% is a far cry from the 3 and 4% some models were predicting back in February/March.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1252281]That won't happen between now and Aug 28.

Promise you.[/quote]

I don't think so either. I just don't think we're going to see packed stadiums until next year at the earliest. Hope I'm wrong but I just don't see how we can get there so quickly. That would be an awfully quick turnaround to go from lockdown to stadiums full of people in 6 months without a vaccine or proven treatments. We'll see.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252280]I know i am the resident doom and gloom / armageddon guy here, [B]but even I think that we will never see another widespread lockdown like what we just endured.[/B] I think more likely will be hotspot cities will be quarantined IF there is another flare up. Even Dr. Fauci is now saying that it is not a "given" that we see a resurgance of the virus.

I also think that by next year at this time, Coronavirus has been replaced in the media with whatever else is the big talking point. There will be a risk, sure, but slowly and surely i feel like people are getting more confident by the day.

And that is also one way a pandemic ends, when the population decides that the loss of liberty / quality of life, etc. outweighs the risk of the virus. People at some point will "move on" so to speak and go back to living their every day lives again.[/quote]

Maybe not from this virus, but long term the next one may not be as forgiving. Hopefully we're better prepared next time.

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This virus is a long way from being done. For those that say that the fatality rate for this virus is something minuscule, I say do the math. 1.7 million cases, 100,000 dead in three months. There will not be packed stadiums until and unless there is an effective vaccine administered broadly to the population. At best that is months away and not likely this year.

I pray that I am wrong, I fear I am not...

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1252282]Exactly.

When all is said and done, this virus' mortality rates [I][B]may[/B][/I] be 3 times that as the flu. Which would mean that 99.7 per cent of those who get it, survive. People will easily decide that living life will outweigh the risks associated with this form of COVID.

It still sucks to have people die from this ... I lost an aunt and uncle to COVID 19. It's been brutal.

But 0.3% is a far cry from the 3 and 4% some models were predicting back in February/March.[/quote]

I think at one point it was even higher than that. I seem to remember Dr. Fauci giving an initial prediction of 1 million U.S. deaths from it. But i can't remember if he was saying that might be the TOTAL death toll by the time we have a vaccine / effective treatment 2 years down the road or so.

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Walt Disney Company is easily on par with the NFL as a business

The fact they are opening up in July is a good sign and I’m sure they their data to why is legit. They are not gonna open up without meticulously vetting every risk

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/media/disney-world-open-coronavirus/index.html[/url]


Should be interesting to watch, we all should be root for it to be a success...businesses like the NFL will def be seeing how they accommodate tens of thousands of people daily.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1252285]This virus is a long way from being done. For those that say that the fatality rate for this virus is something minuscule, I say do the math. 1.7 million cases, 100,000 dead in three months. There will not be packed stadiums until and unless there is an effective vaccine administered broadly to the population. At best that is months away and not likely this year.

I pray that I am wrong, I fear I am not...[/quote]

This is from the CDC:

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/url]

This says almost 3 million Americans die a year on average. I didn't even know it was that many people yearly. It's kind of staggering when you are like me and didn't know the actual statistics at first. Now granted, Coronavirus is adding to that total, but the truth is, if we continue at this pace on virus deaths, then that comes out to being FAR lower yearly deaths than even Cancer and Heart Disease.

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Fauci has also said the total might be closer to 60,000 than the predicted 100,000 to 200,00 deaths. That was back in early April. From a science perspective I think we have done a decent job. There was an unknown virus from a country we were positive was with holding information. Data will change as we develop a better understanding of the virus, the guidelines will change as we learn more. Frankly I was okay with shutting things down giving our epidemiologists, doctors etc the best chance to figure out whats going on and slowly open things as we learn more. As of right now we have peer reviewed articles that are showing surface contact and asymptomatic carriers have a lower impact than we knew in March. This will change again in a few months as we learn more. it is not scientists lying it is the scientific process.

For those that don't want to do SCRedskins math: [url]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/url] updated on Wednesday

To get back to the season. I am excited the NHL is going to have a post season. I think the NFL will be able to learn a lot about player exposure from the Stanley Cup playoffs.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252288]This is from the CDC:

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/url]

This says almost 3 million Americans die a year on average. I didn't even know it was that many people yearly. It's kind of staggering when you are like me and didn't know the actual statistics at first. Now granted, Coronavirus is adding to that total, but the truth is, if we continue at this pace on virus deaths, then that comes out to being FAR lower yearly deaths than even Cancer and Heart Disease.[/quote]

Heart disease and cancer are the biggest killers in developed countries they are also chronic exposure diseases versus acute. It would have to be some serious bug to catch those.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252287]Walt Disney Company is easily on par with the NFL as a business

The fact they are opening up in July is a good sign and I’m sure they their data to why is legit. They are not gonna open up without meticulously vetting every risk

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/media/disney-world-open-coronavirus/index.html[/url]


Should be interesting to watch, we all should be root for it to be a success...businesses like the NFL will def be seeing how they accommodate tens of thousands of people daily.[/quote]

Meh. Their model includes asking visitors and diners to sign a waiver releasing WDW from liability if they acquire COVID19 during their stay.

Their acceptance of the risk includes landing at least the majority of it in the laps of patrons. Which is the way the world should work, honestly.

But to characterize it as risk-free or well-vetted is a little cavalier. Like everybody, they're weighing the risks of opening vs the risks of not opening. They are determining that the risk to their financial health is greater than the risks of opening. But that doesn't mean all is clear. Take part at your own risk, and the risk is still considerable.

The NFL stadiums will face similar questions. And with most of the money coming from TV revenues I don't think they face the same downside as WDW does by staying closed. The NFL could still make a ton of money by playing in empty stadiums, with little of the risk to go along with it.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252286]I think at one point it was even higher than that. I seem to remember Dr. Fauci giving an initial prediction of 1 million U.S. deaths from it. But i can't remember if he was saying that might be the TOTAL death toll by the time we have a vaccine / effective treatment 2 years down the road or so.[/quote]

Has he been right on anything? I stopped listening to him a long time ago.

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Can't imagine going somewhere like Disney anytime soon. That park is covered in filth when you think about it. Snot nosed kids with their hands everywhere.

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[quote=MTK;1252295]Can't imagine going somewhere like Disney anytime soon. That park is covered in filth when you think about it. Snot nosed kids with their hands everywhere.[/quote]

I absolutely adore the place but agree, not a good idea. For me to go anywhere where I'm likely to walk past 1000 people or more per day in close proximity? Gonna take a long time until I'm comfortable with that again.

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I never pegged you as someone that would adore much of anything Schneed. Learn something new everyday.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1252294]Has he been right on anything? I stopped listening to him a long time ago.[/quote]

No, not really. I have never doubted his knowledge for a second, but when you delve into his backstory and his predictions, he has been routinely wrong in his predictions / scenarios. Which he would be the first one to point out, because that means that people took his warnings / info seriously, and crisis was largely averted.

I am sure that he would be happy too that he will not see the 1 million deaths that he originally predicted. And he is also the first one to point out that when the virus first emerged, we had no better way of learning about it / minimizing the damage, other than locking down everywhere until we could get a plan together. And now he says that obviously long-term lockdowns is a poor strategy. But to be fair to him, they knew no better way at the time.

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Science isn't about being "right". If you're keeping score on Fauci you're looking at things the wrong way. The more we learn about the virus the more things change. It's a constantly moving target.

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Im totally confused as to where "Fauci predicted 1 million deaths" is coming from.

CDC worst case scenario projection, if we did absolutely nothing, was 1.7 million dead.

Fauci himself predicted 100k to 200k deaths, millions of cases.

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Are you all confusing Fauci with the CDC (worst case) projection

or

Confusing Fauci saying there will be millions of cases with fauci saying there will be a million deaths?

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Perhaps im confused and missed Fauci saying there will be a million deaths, even if we mitigate. Because I have not seen that.

Can anyone provide a link where Fauci says he predicts 1 million deaths ... and not when he is being asked about CDC's worst case, "if we do nothing" projection?

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[quote=SunnySide;1252302]Im totally confused as to where "Fauci predicted 1 million deaths" is coming from.

CDC worst case scenario projection, if we did absolutely nothing, was 1.7 million dead.

Fauci himself predicted 100k to 200k deaths, millions of cases.

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Are you all confusing Fauci with the CDC (worst case) projection

or

Confusing Fauci saying there will be millions of cases with fauci saying there will be a million deaths?

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Perhaps im confused and missed Fauci saying there will be a million deaths, even if we mitigate. Because I have not seen that.

Can anyone provide a link where Fauci says he predicts 1 million deaths ... and not when he is being asked about CDC's worst case, "if we do nothing" projection?[/quote]

I think his prediction of a million deaths was based on if we didn't mitigate at all.

But now going back and re-reading some stuff he has said, perhaps i have confused his million deaths over him stating there would be millions of cases.

I could have almost swore i heard at one of the briefings him say that it would be one million deaths, although i really think he was talking about from the time we first realized the virus, to when it was effectively "over" with the advent of therapies and a vaccine....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252305]I think his prediction of a million deaths was based on if we didn't mitigate at all.

But now going back and re-reading some stuff he has said, perhaps i have confused his million deaths over him stating there would be millions of cases.

I could have almost swore i heard at one of the briefings him say that it would be one million deaths, although i really think he was talking about from the time we first realized the virus, to when it was effectively "over" with the advent of therapies and a vaccine....[/quote]

Dr. Fauci has consistently said that the virus sets the agenda and timetable, not politicians or even scientists. You can pick on specific things he may (or may not) have said, but scientists are asked to give best educated guesses. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong. The low end of a death toll from this virus with dedicated mitigation actions by the populace has been 100,000 for a very long time.

And I, for one, choose to listen to scientists rather than politicians and amateurs that have an ax to grind.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1252325]Dr. Fauci has consistently said that the virus sets the agenda and timetable, not politicians or even scientists. You can pick on specific things he may (or may not) have said, but scientists are asked to give best educated guesses. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong. The low end of a death toll from this virus with dedicated mitigation actions by the populace has been 100,000 for a very long time.

And I, for one, choose to listen to scientists rather than politicians and amateurs that have an ax to grind.[/quote]

Interesting article on this subject.

[url]https://apple.news/AZtbMsNuGRkaiQmm4QuWjsw[/url]

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Still think there will be a season? in the aftermath of the protest all over the country,people packed like sardines and the[6 feet rule]thrown out the window,and these folks are eventually gonna go home and we'll see.

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[quote=Burgold;1252415]Still think there will be a season? in the aftermath of the protest all over the country,people packed like sardines and the[6 feet rule]thrown out the window,and these folks are eventually gonna go home and we'll see.[/quote]

And / Or, the people do go back home, but don't infect anyone and there is no dramatic rise in new cases. People may be getting to the point that they don't care anymore. The media is hardly covering coronavirus now anymore. I saw it mentioned over the weekend that at one point, the media went 30 hours without reporting anything about coronavirus.

And just FWIW, i don't know what in the world is up with our own UVA models. They have one now that says by August, Virginia gets over 10,000 new cases a day and 1K deaths a day, Just in VA. Like WTF?

Also, did anybody forget when the news said that there was official top secret, highly classified documents that they just conveniently were able to get a copy of, that said by the last week of May the USA would see 300K new cases daily and between 5 and 6K deaths daily?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252417]And / Or, the people do go back home, but don't infect anyone and there is no dramatic rise in new cases. People may be getting to the point that they don't care anymore. The media is hardly covering coronavirus now anymore. I saw it mentioned over the weekend that at one point, the media went 30 hours without reporting anything about coronavirus.

And just FWIW, i don't know what in the world is up with our own UVA models. They have one now that says by August, Virginia gets over 10,000 new cases a day and 1K deaths a day, Just in VA. Like WTF?

Also, did anybody forget when the news said that there was official top secret, highly classified documents that they just conveniently were able to get a copy of, that said by the last week of May the USA would see 300K new cases daily and between 5 and 6K deaths daily?[/quote]

The virus may be temporarily moved to the back burner given what's going on but it's still a major issue. A quick google search brings up plenty of recent and relevant reporting.

No idea what you're talking about regarding the classified documents. Got a link?

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Yep, here it is:

[url]https://www.livescience.com/trump-administration-models-predict-doubling-deaths-early-june.html[/url]

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Let's hope those models are wrong as many have been. But with exponential growth it's easy to see how things can spiral quickly. But hey, gotta make that $$. I need a haircut dammit.