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[quote=skinsfan69;1253628]If that is the case then why isn't " the mob" going after the Blackhawks? What about the Chiefs? No one says.. "good morning Blackjawk"..

Really hope we don't change the name. Snyder can get other sponsors. The media pressure will die down like it always does.[/quote]

There actually are some groups that have an issue with the Blackhawks logo, but not necessarily the name. Yes, the team was named after the squad the original owner was a member of in WWI. Yes, the squad was named after a Native American Chief whose name was "Black Hawk". However, the logo for the military squad is not an image of Chief Black Hawk. IIRC, the Blackhawks (hockey team) original logo was a sketch of Chief Black Hawk. Difference with them, is they can simply change the logo to literally a black hawk as in black in color bird of prey. Which, in time, I think will happen. The Indians have retired Chief Wahoo. Would not be surprised if the Braves are next. They may keep the name, but the tomahawk will eventually be gone.

Not sure I agree about getting other sponsors. If Fed Ex pulls their name, they are going to have a hard time finding a corporation with the money to buy the naming rights.

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Fuck these pc assholes!! If the Redskins change their name I say call them either “The Nation” representing all Native American Nations and keep the logo or the Washington Americans since the NA are the real Americans here, plus the Cowboys won’t be using America’s team.

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[quote=mooby;1253621]What about the N.A. reservations that use it as a term of pride?[/quote]
They do exist. Last week I was reading about the group with the issue with the Blackhawks, one of the members made a great point in an interview. He was asked about this very notion and his response was something along the lines of, "I know there are some Natives who like it and some who do not care either way. That is why there really is no 'Native American View' of the issue. There are a lot of Native Americans out there and each has their own opinion on the matter."

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1253635]Fuck these pc assholes!! If the Redskins change their name I say call them either “The Nation” representing all Native American Nations and keep the logo or the Washington Americans since the NA are the real Americans here, plus the Cowboys won’t be using America’s team.[/quote]

Not a bad idea. "Washington Americans" and the logo can be something like Mt Rushmore with just pictures of people of every race. 1 Caucasian, 1 African American, 1 Native American, 1 Latino, 1 Asian, 1 Middle Eastern, 1 South Asian (Not sure of the correct term, think those from India, Pakistan, etc) and so forth. Of course, then some will complain that the Caucasian "looks too Italian" or "too Irish" and does not represent ALL caucasians.

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Redskins isn’t a racist name period. To claim it is, you are being intellectually dishonest or you are a slow mentally. It’s one or the other.

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As long as the team name is still Native Americain centered and they can keep the logo, I'll be good with it.

I still get the feeling all of this could have been avoided had the Team do more to outspokenly honor Native Americans, and actually worked with NA communities.

Both Braves and Warriors sound good. A local tribe name would work with me too.

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[quote=punch it in;1253632][B]Clearly there is a difference between Redskin and Chief.[/B] [/quote]

Yes, there is. "Chief" is a term that is actually used in a derogatory way by racists. "Redskin," not so much. I am 66 years old and have never heard anyone use the term 'redskin" as a racial slur. Not once. Chief? Yes, I've heard that used as a racial slur.

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What a pleasant way to start the 4th of July weekend.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1253639]As long as the team name is still Native Americain centered and they can keep the logo, I'll be good with it.

I still get the feeling all of this could have been avoided had the Team do more to outspokenly honor Native Americans, and actually worked with NA communities.

Both Braves and Warriors sound good. A local tribe name would work with me too.[/quote]
doubt that happens as that would probably cause more heat from those who want the name changed. Think the best you can hope for is they keep the colors. Maybe you get "warriors" but the logo would most likely be non-Native American in nature. Something military-like would be more likely. I do recall years ago when this came up, people were saying make it the "Redtails". Keep the colors, keep the wordmark and simply change "skins" to "tails" and the logo to a hawk. If they go with something Patriotic or along the lines of the capitals and nationals, then they will likely adopt a red, white, and blue theme.

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If they change the colors I will be so fucking pissed off.

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Seems like ESPN is totally for changing the franchise name...


[B]First Take debates if Dan Synder will change the …[/B]
[URL]https://youtu.be/YcA8c8Duyj0[/URL]

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1253643]If they change the colors I will be so fucking pissed off.[/QUOTE]So will I!

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I'm on the Red Tails bandwagon. Hopefully having a coach from a military family will influence this choice.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1253643]If they change the colors I will be so fucking pissed off.[/quote]
Depends how nuclear they go. When the Oilers first moved to Tennessee, they waited 2 years before changing to the Titans. Kept the color scheme, a little, but it was pretty much a re-brand. Will all depend on what the sponsors demand. FedEx, and Nike might pressure for a complete re-brand.

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[quote=kct1975;1253644]Seems like ESPN is totally for changing the franchise name...


[B]First Take debates if Dan Synder will change the …[/B]
[URL]https://youtu.be/YcA8c8Duyj0[/URL]

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Don’t watch ESPN...I removed all there programming off my watch list...Jordan doc was the only time I’ve watched this year. The whole channel is trash

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If as the NFL statement has stated this has been ongoing for some weeks then it just looks like the sponsors jumping on board for good publicity....... where were they previously?

Secondly,hasn't NIKE voided there contract by refusing to list/stock/name Redskins merchandise? It should be. I suppose they expect to cash in on the new merchandise sales, I would tell them to go *$%$ them selves and sign a deal with UnderArmor or Addidas.

I expect and uptick in current merchandise sales, get it while you can

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1253649]If as the NFL statement has stated this has been ongoing for some weeks then it just looks like the sponsors jumping on board for good publicity....... where were they previously?

Secondly,hasn't NIKE voided there contract by refusing to list/stock/name Redskins merchandise? It should be. I suppose they expect to cash in on the new merchandise sales, I would tell them to go *$%$ them selves and sign a deal with UnderArmor or Addidas.

I expect and uptick in current merchandise sales, get it while you can[/quote]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-compels-uighurs-to-work-in-shoe-factory-that-supplies-nike/2020/02/28/ebddf5f4-57b2-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html[/url]

Nike is such a standup company, they have ethic minorities making their shoes while imprison in concentration camps.

All these woke idiots saying change the name while they support slave labor buying their kids Nike shoes.

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Nike is the biggest hypocritical piece of shit company in the world.

I mean this sincerely; Go Fuck Yourselves ASSHOLES!!

Haven't bought anything Nike in 10 years probably, and never will again. This was already in effect before this product pull.

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Going online now and buying a couple more Redskins shirts. Want to have some historical reserves.

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What are some choices for new names?

I see[B] RedTails[/B] in this thread. That sounds ok.

I've heard [B]Warriors[/B] on NFL channel on Sirius/XM. I don't know.

Have there been others?

Gotta keep the color scheme. Hopefully the NFL and Dan are smart enough to leave that alone.

[B]The only thing I can think of is silly, but PigSkins comes to mind[/B]. We already have fans wearing pig snouts. And have the Hogs. A Pigskin is a football. Can you keep the fight song with this? HTTP?? The internet already has this abbreviation, doesn't it? Ugh .... I don't know.

It's obvious though that this will probably be the last season for HTTR and all things associated with it.


This reminds me of when Ole Miss was changing their mascot in 2010 from Colonel Reb, to a black bear. But there was a student group trying hard to get the school to adopt Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars as their mascot. Famously, he said "It's a trap!!!" in one of the movies in that trilogy (Return of the Jedi?). [url]https://collider.com/espn-star-wars-admiral-ackbar-ole-miss/[/url]

Anyway ... there's a chance to have the fans lead this name change. Why not someone from this board?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1253651]Nike is the biggest hypocritical piece of shit company in the world.

I mean this sincerely; Go Fuck Yourselves ASSHOLES!!

Haven't bought anything Nike in 10 years probably, and never will again. This was already in effect before this product pull.[/quote]

Fuck those sweatshop abusers!! Hypocrites!!

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1253653]What are some choices for new names?

I see[B] RedTails[/B] in this thread. That sounds ok.

I've heard [B]Warriors[/B] on NFL channel on Sirius/XM. I don't know.

Have there been others?

Gotta keep the color scheme. Hopefully the NFL and Dan are smart enough to leave that alone.

[B]The only thing I can think of is silly, but PigSkins comes to mind[/B]. We already have fans wearing pig snouts. And have the Hogs. A Pigskin is a football. Can you keep the fight song with this? HTTP?? The internet already has this abbreviation, doesn't it? Ugh .... I don't know.

It's obvious though that this will probably be the last season for HTTR and all things associated with it.


This reminds me of when Ole Miss was changing their mascot in 2010 from Colonel Reb, to a black bear. But there was a student group trying hard to get the school to adopt Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars as their mascot. Famously, he said "It's a trap!!!" in one of the movies in that trilogy (Return of the Jedi?). [url]https://collider.com/espn-star-wars-admiral-ackbar-ole-miss/[/url]

Anyway ... there's a chance to have the fans lead this name change. Why not someone from this board?[/quote]

The Hogs!!

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The Hogs or the Skins

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I don't want to be named something another pro team already uses. We have the coolest name and logo in sports. To go from that to some retread name would be really shitty.

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I like “The Nation” if we are forced to change. The Nation vs The Cowboys and we stomp their ass!! The Nation includes all Native American tribes in the US.

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I also heard they have been told they could not use the RFK site for a stadium if they do not change the name. Are they looking to move out of FedEx?

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Folks we need to admit, this isn’t about offending Indians...it’s about offending white progressive people who find it their job to tell others you should be offended. Let’s start being 100% about this for once.

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[quote=calia;1253624]And some clearly do not view it that way. There are members of the African American community that use the N word too, but that doesn’t make it less offensive. Again, my view is that there are people that find it offensive (and I don’t see any need to debate the relative proportion of the community that does), and that’s easily enough for me to say there’s no need to use it.

I don’t get the need to defend the name. It’s the least important thing about the team to me. Heck, I care more about the use of burgundy and gold than the name.

At this point, it feels inevitable (and I believe it should) and folks will have to decide whether a name change is enough to change their loyalty. Personally, I don’t get that, but so be it.


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With today's announcement it is inevitable, there's no way they make a second announcement after the review and say "we did our review and find that the name is not offensive."

The money flow involved has ensured an announcement will be coming soon that the name will be changed. The dollar is the almighty bottom line. Dan will pretend to care about feelings towards the name because now it's fucking with his bottom line.

I'm not gonna defend it anymore, I'm just a simple man who loves the burgundy and gold, and I'm still gonna be rooting for this squad for the rest of my life. My opinion is irrelevant when discussing whether the majority of Native Americans are truly offended by the name. But can we not act like us and the rest of America is going to go back to ignoring the plight of modern Native Americans when this is done? The federal government doesn't give two shits about N.A.'s. Trump doesn't even give one shit, has he even tried to help them with the corona issues or any of the other major issues plaguing them today? Once we rid all the sports teams of their names, they are going to go back to being out of sight and out of mind (it's a problem my fellow "woke" liberals have, like changing street signs and taking down statues, it's a step but still doesn't resolve the biggest issues facing society today).

My biggest hope is that this team doesn't end up with some dumb shit nickname like Wizards, or Warriors. Come up with a name that honors something but still retains some spirit, a historical reference, or something else. Washington Americans? garbage. Washington Redtails? Honoring the Tuskegee Airmen? Way better. I still think they'll go with something completely different just to break all association with Redskins though.

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[quote=Chico23231;1253660]Folks we need to admit, this isn’t about offending Indians...it’s about offending white progressive people who find it their job to tell others you should be offended. Let’s start being 100% about this for once.[/quote]

For once I agree with you, but even if only 10-20% of Native Americans are offended, they still exist. Don't act like every Native American is cool with it even if the majority are.

The reality though is this discussion is happening because $620 billion worth of corporate money told 3 major Redskins sponsors to do something about it. If they walk, everyone else won't be far behind. And Dan can't have his new stadium in DC if the name isn't changed. I got $20 that says the name gets changed and DC probably gives the RFK land to the Redskins at a deep discount or for free in exchange for less tax dollars going to the stadium.

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[quote=mooby;1253662]For once I agree with you, but even if only 10-20% of Native Americans are offended, they still exist. Don't act like every Native American is cool with it even if the majority are.

The reality though is this discussion is happening because $620 billion worth of corporate money told 3 major Redskins sponsors to do something about it. If they walk, everyone else won't be far behind. And Dan can't have his new stadium in DC if the name isn't changed. I got $20 that says the name gets changed and DC probably gives the RFK land to the Redskins at a deep discount or for free in exchange for less tax dollars going to the stadium.[/quote]

If we move back to RFK it would make the name change way more easy to take. Go back to RFK AND NEVER LEAVE THERE AGAIN!!!

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I would feel better about a name change if it truly was about the Native Americans, but it's not. It's about the cancel culture movement by the extremist left. A name change does nothing to help with the poverty issues and alcoholism that the tribes deal with. In fact this movement will see to it that any historic ties back to the Native American people are completely severed so they can conveniently sweep it under the rug as if it never existed. Hence, nothing to remind them of the NA's so that they won't feel bad for doing nothing of substance for them.

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[quote=metalskins;1253665]I would feel better about a name change if it truly was about the Native Americans, but it's not. It's about the cancel culture movement by the extremist left. A name change does nothing to help with the poverty issues and alcoholism that the tribes deal with. In fact this movement will see to it that any historic ties back to the Native American people are completely severed so they can conveniently sweep it under the rug as if it never existed. Hence, nothing to remind them of the NA's so that they won't feel bad for doing nothing of substance for them.[/quote]

Agreed. Name changing, removing historical references like statues/streets is easy, actually doing something of substance that would help them will most likely never be done, even if Biden becomes president. Once all references to them are gone, we can all pretend like we did something nice for them though.

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It's really unfortunate, but I think a name change is coming. Money talks...and its writing a thesis right now. The real question is just how stubborn DS is..and for once I hope hes as stubborn as 2013.

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[quote=mooby;1253662]For once I agree with you, but even if only 10-20% of Native Americans are offended, they still exist. Don't act like every Native American is cool with it even if the majority are.

The reality though is this discussion is happening because $620 billion worth of corporate money told 3 major Redskins sponsors to do something about it. If they walk, everyone else won't be far behind. And Dan can't have his new stadium in DC if the name isn't changed. I got $20 that says the name gets changed and DC probably gives the RFK land to the Redskins at a deep discount or for free in exchange for less tax dollars going to the stadium.[/quote]

There is no way to know the percentage of Native Americans that are offended by it. Do enough research and you find polls that say 80% polled were offended, and polls that will say only 5% said they are offended. How many are offended is irrelevant. Whether it is simply white people offended is irrelevant. Obviously, enough are offended for FedEx and Nike to take a stand and the bottom line is the Redskins and the NFL are a business first and foremost. Just like any other business, if they are doing something that some deem offensive and the company feels it is hurting their bottom-line, they are going to make a change.

As far as "Warriors" actually saw someone suggest it on twitter. Of course, there was a comment from someone saying they did not like "warriors" either because that name is associated with violence. Then added teams like the Raiders, Warriors, Vikings, Buccaneers, Pirates, etc should have to change their names to disassociate from the violent image. I looked at his page and based on what he has posted, he was not being sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek.

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[quote=mooby;1253667]Agreed. Name changing, removing historical references like statues/streets is easy, actually doing something of substance that would help them will most likely never be done, even if Biden becomes president. Once all references to them are gone, we can all pretend like we did something nice for them though.[/quote]

Exactly! Once the whitewashing is complete, then what?

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[quote=coggs;1253673]There is no way to know the percentage of Native Americans that are offended by it. Do enough research and you find polls that say 80% polled were offended, and polls that will say only 5% said they are offended. How many are offended is irrelevant. Whether it is simply white people offended is irrelevant. Obviously, enough are offended for FedEx and Nike to take a stand and the bottom line is the Redskins and the NFL are a business first and foremost. Just like any other business, if they are doing something that some deem offensive and the company feels it is hurting their bottom-line, they are going to make a change.

As far as "Warriors" actually saw someone suggest it on twitter. Of course, there was a comment from someone saying they did not like "warriors" either because that name is associated with violence. Then added teams like the Raiders, Warriors, Vikings, Buccaneers, Pirates, etc should have to change their names to disassociate from the violent image. I looked at his page and based on what he has posted, he was not being sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek.[/quote]
It’s only a matter of time before tall people make New York change their name.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1253653]What are some choices for new names?

I see[B] RedTails[/B] in this thread. That sounds ok.

I've heard [B]Warriors[/B] on NFL channel on Sirius/XM. I don't know.

Have there been others?

Gotta keep the color scheme. Hopefully the NFL and Dan are smart enough to leave that alone.

[B]The only thing I can think of is silly, but PigSkins comes to mind[/B]. We already have fans wearing pig snouts. And have the Hogs. A Pigskin is a football. Can you keep the fight song with this? HTTP?? The internet already has this abbreviation, doesn't it? Ugh .... I don't know.

It's obvious though that this will probably be the last season for HTTR and all things associated with it.


This reminds me of when Ole Miss was changing their mascot in 2010 from Colonel Reb, to a black bear. But there was a student group trying hard to get the school to adopt Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars as their mascot. Famously, he said "It's a trap!!!" in one of the movies in that trilogy (Return of the Jedi?). [url]https://collider.com/espn-star-wars-admiral-ackbar-ole-miss/[/url]

Anyway ... there's a chance to have the fans lead this name change. Why not someone from this board?[/quote]

I called the Pigskins name several years ago. Wonder if I’ll get an royalties?

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[quote=mooby;1253662]For once I agree with you, but even if only 10-20% of Native Americans are offended, they still exist. Don't act like every Native American is cool with it even if the majority are.

The reality though is this discussion is happening because $620 billion worth of corporate money told 3 major Redskins sponsors to do something about it. If they walk, everyone else won't be far behind. And Dan can't have his new stadium in DC if the name isn't changed. I got $20 that says the name gets changed and DC probably gives the RFK land to the Redskins at a deep discount or for free in exchange for less tax dollars going to the stadium.[/quote]

Ehhh it’s not 1 in 5, it’s never been. And someone will always be offended by something...that’s also known.