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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260999]Per JP Finaly this morning:

Sources tell me that Ron Rivera and some Washington Football coaches met with Dwayne Haskins this week to make clear he understands he needs to play better or things could soon change[/

I think RR would have never drafted him. I be shocked if DH was here in 2021 in any significant role.

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[quote=MTK;1261001]Main issues with George and Schroeder though were they were both douchebags who commanded zero respect from their teammates.[/quote]

George was a total douchebag. I remember being shocked when the Cowboys (I think it was Leon Lett) dragged George around TX Stadium and not a single WFT lineman came to his rescue. That told me all I needed to know about what his teammates thought of him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1260999]Per JP Finaly this morning:

Sources tell me that Ron Rivera and some Washington Football coaches met with Dwayne Haskins this week to make clear he understands he needs to play better or things could soon change[/quote]

wow, thats somewhat surprising. I figured RR wouldnt move on from Haskins if he shows that he is working on what the coaches want him to work on.

I imagine the biggest thing is his footwork. They must be frustrating to a coach.

I really wish we knew whether Haskins was not seeing the field on not seeing open guys.

Well ... we know what the N F L stands for.

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I think it's good to keep in mind that Urban Meyer told Rivera that Dwayne needs to be pushed, needs to be challenged, and that he responds well to that.

I think that's what Ron is doing here. I don't think he's ready to bail after 3 starts for him.

[URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/9/dwayne-haskins-loves-challenge-his-second-season-w/"]Haskins loves a challenge[/URL]

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[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2020[/url]

He has been terrible by QBR, DYAR, and DVOA. Terrible.

The only QBs who have been worse are Jones and Wentz, depending on the metric.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1261019][url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2020[/url]

He has been terrible by QBR, DYAR, and DVOA. Terrible.

The only QBs who have been worse are Jones and Wentz, depending on the metric.[/quote]

So you're saying we have the second-best QB in the division!

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Yeah Ron is trying to see if DH will show up and play well or will he pout and cave..

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I think this week should be his last full game. If we are losing in a bad blowout, then bench him at halftime and try and do better next week.

If the game is close but Haskins struggles the whole game, then i think the decision should be made prior to the Rams game. There is still time that a QB change could spark our offense and win us a couple more games. The season isn't lost yet, but we aren't doing anything well with Haskins. I dare say he played better last year under Bill Callahan.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1261069]I think this week should be his last full game. If we are losing in a bad blowout, then bench him at halftime and try and do better next week.

If the game is close but Haskins struggles the whole game, then i think the decision should be made prior to the Rams game. There is still time that a QB change could spark our offense and win us a couple more games. The season isn't lost yet, but we aren't doing anything well with Haskins. [B]I dare say he played better last year under Bill Callahan.[/B][/quote]

Two things for the bold part - (1) Callahan wanted the team to run on all downs if possible, Haskins would only throw when it's 3rd down and long. (2) O'Connell had a full offseason and season to work with Haskins and it showed the benefits when Callahan finally allowed O'Connell to call plays in the last two (?) games.

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As far as I am concerned, this next game will be one to many. He says all of the right things during the week but shows nothing on Sunday.

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Stop piling on.. with our secondary he'd have to score thirty points a game, the kid won't throw three interceptions in one game the rest of the season, remember we got some key players on defense out and the Ravens are gonna take it to us on the ground, we got one good receiver, no tight ends worth anything and running back by commitee, let the kid finish the season!

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[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2019[/url]

No, Haskins did not play better last year.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1260983]Jets, Giants , Vikings and Falcons could all go after a QB.



It's a good QB class though.



Lawrence

Fields

Lance

Ehlinger

Trask[/QUOTE]



My man D’Eriq King too. He is a wildcard.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1261001]Main issues with George and Schroeder though were they were both douchebags who commanded zero respect from their teammates.[/QUOTE]



These days being a douche bag commands all sorts of respect. They were just ahead of their time...,

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1260960]No chance those 2 teams pass on Trevor L[/QUOTE]


And some other team would give up a lot to trade up too. Lawrence won’t skip past 2nd.


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[quote=MTK;1261009]I think it's good to keep in mind that Urban Meyer told Rivera that Dwayne needs to be pushed, needs to be challenged, and that he responds well to that.

I think that's what Ron is doing here.[B] I don't think he's ready to bail after 3 starts for him.[/B]

[URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/9/dwayne-haskins-loves-challenge-his-second-season-w/"]Haskins loves a challenge[/URL][/quote]

I don't read Ron Rivera as the kind of coach and man to put a player on notice and then not follow through if the player doesn't respond to the challenge. Unlike Urban Meyer, Rivera may not want a QB that needs to be pushed. He may want one who is self-motivated. That's why it would not surprise me if Dwayne Haskins doesn't keep his starting job beyond the Ravens game.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1261106]I don't read Ron Rivera as the kind of coach and man to put a player on notice and then not follow through if the player doesn't respond to the challenge. Unlike Urban Meyer, Rivera may not want a QB that needs to be pushed. He may want one who is self-motivated. That's why it would not surprise me if Dwayne Haskins doesn't keep his starting job beyond the Ravens game.[/quote]Agreed. Everyone is forgetting that Rivera started Allen pretty much the whole year last year. Also, he traded a draft pick for him. Oh yeah, Allen may have some talent too. Haskins needs to play much better against Baltimore.

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RR has been preaching culture change ever since he took the job.

If he tolerates Haskins poor play to a degree viewed as unfair in the locker room, he may as well wear a shirt that says Bruce/Dan 4eva!

I don't know what is fair or unfair but he should know with his wealth of experience and reputation as a tough player's coach. By fair, I don't mean the same as others. A 1st round QB pick is going to be treated differently than a 5th round Olineman.

He has to deal with Haskins in a manner consistent with the culture he is building.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1261129]RR has been preaching culture change ever since he took the job.

If he tolerates Haskins poor play to a degree viewed as unfair in the locker room, he may as well wear a shirt that says Bruce/Dan 4eva!

I don't know what is fair or unfair but he should know with his wealth of experience and reputation as a tough player's coach. By fair, I don't mean the same as others. A 1st round QB pick is going to be treated differently than a 5th round Olineman.

He has to deal with Haskins in a manner consistent with the culture he is building.[/quote]

RR is also rebuilding this team, and has repeatedly stated this publicly. He has already said there is a point where he'll move on from Haskin, but 3 games into the season is not that point If I were to guess, this point will be the bye week.

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Remember, RR said that the situation of the division race is a factor, as well. If the other three teams, or just the Cowboys, lose this week then RR may determine to go for the division title in which case Haskins could be benched.

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NFL.com running a story that Haskins is on a short leash and Skins want to take advantage of their next five games after the Ravens.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1261157]NFL.com running a story that Haskins is on a short leash and Skins want to take advantage of their next five games after the Ravens.[/quote]The link below:

[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/washington-could-move-on-from-dwayne-haskins-if-he-continues-to-struggle[/url]

Again, fans are crazy if Rivera gives him the whole season playing as he has. Don't expect to see Allen today, but this article implies it's a possibility. Haskins better get going.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1261157]NFL.com running a story that Haskins is on a short leash and Skins want to take advantage of their next five games after the Ravens.[/quote]

Yeah they just talked about it on Fox also

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1261160]The link below:

[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/washington-could-move-on-from-dwayne-haskins-if-he-continues-to-struggle[/url]

Again, fans are crazy if Rivera gives him the whole season playing as he has. [B]Don't expect to see Allen today[/B], but this article implies it's a possibility. Haskins better get going.[/quote]

Why not? If the first half is a disaster for Haskins, it might make sense to get Allen snaps in a real game prior to starting him next week.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1261163]Why not? If the first half is a disaster for Haskins, it might make sense to get Allen snaps in a real game prior to starting him next week.[/quote]I'm not suggesting I'm opposed to the idea but would be surprised if it happens. Think Haskins will get the whole game.

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Like Cooley said, Ron watched the tape after the browns game and saw how well the defense play and thought the same thing many did, Skins should have won that game. And then he witnessed how bad the cowboys, Eagles and giants played last week.

He senses an opportunity...

I think Kyle Allen has been put “on call”

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[quote=Chico23231;1261169]Like Cooley said, Ron watched the tape after the browns game and saw how well the defense play and thought the same thing many did, Skins should have won that game. And then he witnessed how bad the cowboys, Eagles and giants played last week.

He senses an opportunity...

I think Kyle Allen has been put “on call”[/quote]

In the Browns game Haskins spotted the Browns 20 points. Tough to win when you are in that hole. I do think Haskins needs to be given more time and reps to show progress but football is a "window is now" league. Weak division chance for playoff exposure? Hard to argue with that.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1261173]In the Browns game Haskins spotted the Browns 20 points. Tough to win when you are in that hole. I do think Haskins needs to be given more time and reps to show progress but football is a "window is now" league. Weak division chance for playoff exposure? Hard to argue with that.[/quote]

It’s hard to ignore for sure when it comes to the status of division

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haskins sucks so bad that ron has just about seen enough.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1261176]haskins sucks so bad that ron has just about seen enough.[/quote]

He is playing so poorly right now even Vinny Ceratto is not impressed

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What’s surprised me is how our defense is getting pushed around - every game.

Also, the offensive play-calling could be better. The play calling often see’s the offense at Third and long early in the game. With our OL this puts Haskins in a tough spot.

Haskins only has a #2 TE with Logan Thomas. No one else has showed up at #1 TE. This is what happens when you spend no big FA, nor good draft picks for TE. WR - there is nothing at WR except for McLaurin. Steve Sims, Jr is totally invisible. Time to try someone else. Cam Sims is trying to move up. The teams WR # 2 has been Gibson at RB. Good but not optimum for Haskins.

I think that the team will draft another QB next year with their first pick. Then they will have to to spend draft picks on the OL. The OL is weak and has little depth. Gibson is really good.

This team is two years from being competitive. I think Rivera wanted to save his cap money until he evaluated what he has. Unfortunately, by being quiet in FA, there is barely enough talent to see what this team is about. I also don’t like RR idea of just finishing the game quickly, versus working the two minute drill. Running the last minute two minute drill would help Haskins development, as well as evaluating him further. I honestly wonder if RR would do this if he wasn’t in chemo. I think that is part of it.

Haskins may become a decent QB, and in the fourth qtr he spread the ball around well. But I doubt it will be with this team. I see some good things with him, even in a blowout with the Ravens. He’s essentially in his rookie season. Cam Sims is trying to move Steve Sims out of his position. Inman is ok, but not super impressive. McLaurin is going to be GREAT!

I think they’ll play Haskins for at least another 5-7 games, if he continues to play well. If he has another 3 INT game then Allen will come in. In the current NFL, not being a scrambler is a BIG HANDICAP. He still could be more accurate. He can’t take 18 yard sacks.

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Haskins sucks. The only reason he is playing is so we can replace him with Trevor. Lol.

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[quote=Warthog;1261276]What’s surprised me is how our defense is getting pushed around - every game.

Also, the offensive play-calling could be better. The play calling often see’s the offense at Third and long early in the game. With our OL this puts Haskins in a tough spot.

Haskins only has a #2 TE with Logan Thomas. No one else has showed up at #1 TE. This is what happens when you spend no big FA, nor good draft picks for TE. WR - there is nothing at WR except for McLaurin. [B]Steve Sims, Jr is totally invisible[/B]. Time to try someone else. Cam Sims is trying to move up. The teams WR # 2 has been Gibson at RB. Good but not optimum for Haskins.

I think that the team will draft another QB next year with their first pick. Then they will have to to spend draft picks on the OL. The OL is weak and has little depth. Gibson is really good.

This team is two years from being competitive. I think Rivera wanted to save his cap money until he evaluated what he has. Unfortunately, by being quiet in FA, there is barely enough talent to see what this team is about. I also don’t like RR idea of just finishing the game quickly, versus working the two minute drill. Running the last minute two minute drill would help Haskins development, as well as evaluating him further. I honestly wonder if RR would do this if he wasn’t in chemo. I think that is part of it.

Haskins may become a decent QB, and in the fourth qtr he spread the ball around well. But I doubt it will be with this team. I see some good things with him, even in a blowout with the Ravens. He’s essentially in his rookie season. Cam Sims is trying to move Steve Sims out of his position. Inman is ok, but not super impressive. McLaurin is going to be GREAT!

I think they’ll play Haskins for at least another 5-7 games, if he continues to play well. If he has another 3 INT game then Allen will come in. In the current NFL, not being a scrambler is a BIG HANDICAP. He still could be more accurate. He can’t take 18 yard sacks.

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I think he can be forgiven for not having an impact on the game.

He didn't play!

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Lol. He may have played in the first three games but Steve Sims has been pretty invisible despite playing opposite McLaurin.
I think Cam Sims had more impact this game than the other games where Steve played. But I don’t think either guy is the answer. Nor Inman - who is a NFL journeyman. Ultimately, unless Cam Sims lights his azz on fire this season, the acquisition of a real #2 WR will have to wait until next season. Same with a real TE - Logan Thomas is below average despite having few other targets for Haskins to throw to.

I don’t agree that Haskins was terrible this game- he did have over 300 yds, and more importantly he had no INT. His biggest bonehead move was allowing an 18 yard sack and then throwing 9 yds SHORT of the end zone on a 4th down play.

I still don’t see Haskins being the Redskins starter next year. The WFT will draft the best QB available and then have a QB competition in the PS, assuming there is one. When you see some of the new QB rookies doing well, it’s hard to watch Haskin’s baby steps toward being a real starter and Uber-threat QB that he should have been as a #15 pick. I’m just really surprised that Haskins was not rated as a second or even third round pick in 2019. He’s clearly a PROJECT QB, who probably won’t hit his stride until next year or even the next, with more targets and a better line. The trouble for Haskins is that Rivera is not going to risk his second chance as a HC, by waiting for another year or two to see if Haskin’s “get’s it”. That’s what happened with Redskin’s QB, Jason Campbell, who would have flashes of very good play, but mostly mediocrity. He lasted far longer than he should have. You get maybe 2 years to show the NFL what you have now.

Speaking of past QB’s who never made it, it was nice to see RGIII throw a wobbler pass to Kendall Fuller for an INT. Divine justice, so to speak. Second INT for Fuller.


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the entire game was screens, short crossing routes and screens. we have zero offense over 10 yards unless someone breaks a tackle.

i would put in allen simply because we already know dh is not the future. he is not going to be the starter here next year. he may be out of the league next year.

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He had 300 yards and more than half of them were yac on screens. He had one deep ball and honestly it was garbage time. Shit you throw enough downfield one is gonna hit the target.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1261334]the entire game was screens, short crossing routes and screens. we have zero offense over 10 yards unless someone breaks a tackle.

i would put in allen simply because we already know dh is not the future. he is not going to be the starter here next year. he may be out of the league next year.[/QUOTE]


Right and the Ravins were happy to GIVE Haskins the little dink and dunk stuff, because they are excellent tacklers. Haskins has nothing in the over 15-20 yard pass range to scare anyone. Teams know how to beat Haskins. Keep him passing short. This was what was happening to Alex Smith as teams caught onto his act before he was hurt.
One thing to remember is that Rivera is seeing how good he can get Haskins by let’s say, mid season. Rivera ALREADY KNOWS how good Allen is. Except for McLaurin / Gibson we have little real talent at EITHER TE or WR #2 or 3. So, it not like Allen is going to blow anyone away with what we have to throw to. Haskin’s is going through his progressions and except for Terry, his other WR/TE usually aren’t open!

Ultimately, they hope to get Haskins confident enough to throw longer. But the sad truth is there’s not a lot of open there. Quick slants and screens are all that are open now. Soon, they will have to start throwing it long to either get a pass interference call or maybe a catch. Turner didn’t do it today because they’re trying to get Dwayne’s confidence back.


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We should test Haskins for four games. FOUR GAMES only. Not four more games but four games total and next week is our fifth game. Our division is total crap. We can win it but not with Haskins at the controls.

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I hope the Jets somehow win some games. Giants look pretty competitive right now. Im really starting to get on the tank for trevor bandwagon....

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Don’t worry .. we are the worst team and it’s not close ..giants and jets would be favored to win over us .. sad to say