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[quote=SunnySide;1270908]My 2 thoughts for why Fitzpatrick would not be a good fit is that he isnt a quick read/throw guy and he takes chances. With our D, we dont need to press press press on offense as its not a race to the first one to 30 points wins. We can win comfortably and consistently 24-13 vs 37-27. We value possessions, play strong D and we win.

Then I looked up his stats. Fitzpatrick is second in the league in time from snap to throw at 2.2 seconds, behind Big Bens 2.1.
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing_advanced.htm[/url]

I was a "no to fitz" person 5 mins ago and am now putting his name in the hat with the 15 other options we have.

Interesting plan C if we dont draft a 1st rounder or get a Stafford type guy.[/quote]

I am probably just gun shy when it comes to drafting a QB based on history I know it needs to be done, I am also wary of giving up draft capital to trade for Ryan or Stafford.

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All in on going after a QB in FA. Our Defense is good. Windows are short in the NFL without a HOF QB. Always build through the draft, but the time is now!!

Go all in to win in 2021!

Stafford is the prize. Having a defense and a running game is a big incentive for him to sign here. Go go go.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1270927]All in on going after a QB in FA. Our Defense is good. Windows are short in the NFL without a HOF QB. Always build through the draft, but the time is now!!

Go all in to win in 2021!

Stafford is the prize. Having a defense and a running game is a big incentive for him to sign here. Go go go.[/quote]

I can't do it. That would mean $52+ million tied up in the QB position for 2021 (unless you cut Alex or he retires), not to mention the draft capital and/or players it would take to trade for him.

Can't do it.

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Surprise - Haskins cleared waivers. :Flush:

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1270931]I can't do it. That would mean $52+ million tied up in the QB position for 2021 (unless you cut Alex or he retires), not to mention the draft capital and/or players it would take to trade for him.

Can't do it.[/quote]

Even if Smith retires we're tying up too much cap space with his number, Haskins and Stafford, when only 1 would be on the roster. Plus we're talking trade capitol on top. I'd go FA.

Fitz might work for year but I'm coming around to the idea of hoping Smith retires then we go with Tyrod Taylor for a year (or 2) as we're unlikely to get a starter picking bottom half round 1 and I don't agree with trading the farm for the #2 or #3 pick. If a top QB doesn't fall in our lap wherever we pick, I say ride a good FA for a year with this D and see if he's our man next year. I think our starter next year is not currently on the roster.

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Alex Smith will prob retire

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270939]Alex Smith will prob retire[/quote]

I hope so. I fear we might have to Polamalu him.

ICYMI, Polamalu says in his new book that the Steelers approached him and told him to retire or he would be cut. Honestly, I can't say I disagree with the method.

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Smith can barely keep his calf healthy on the same leg he almost lost.. He's had a great comeback story and if he leads this team to the playoffs, that is a great ride into the sunset.

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[quote=SunnySide;1270908]My 2 thoughts for why Fitzpatrick would not be a good fit is that he isnt a quick read/throw guy and he takes chances. With our D, we dont need to press press press on offense as its not a race to the first one to 30 points wins. We can win comfortably and consistently 24-13 vs 37-27. We value possessions, play strong D and we win.

Then I looked up his stats. Fitzpatrick is second in the league in time from snap to throw at 2.2 seconds, behind Big Bens 2.1.
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing_advanced.htm[/url]

I was a "no to fitz" person 5 mins ago and am now putting his name in the hat with the 15 other options we have.

Interesting plan C if we dont draft a 1st rounder or get a Stafford type guy.[/quote]

Look at the accuracy %, bad throw % and then the air yards stats between Alex Smith and Fitzpatrick.

That should bring context as what’s being being asked of the QB. The air yards attempt/completions.

It’s really not a comparison, Fitzpatrick blows Alex Smith out the water

Honestly, both working with similar talent too with the pass catchers

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There is no way up offering Payne and a 1st rd to move up don,t touch are d-line at all ,very young and very good with not a lot of money spent there yet ,I’m on board with Stanford or Ryan but at what cost to get them and salary cap issues, I’m interested to see how the kid Jones from banana will do at combine along with Kyle trask and kid from Wenzhou school.

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[quote=njant;1270987]There is no way up offering Payne and a 1st rd to move up don,t touch are d-line at all ,very young and very good with not a lot of money spent there yet ,I’m on board with Stanford or Ryan but at what cost to get them and salary cap issues, I’m interested to see how the kid Jones from banana will do at combine along with Kyle trask and kid from Wenzhou school.[/quote]

I'm with you on the keeping the dlinemen, unfortunately in order to get a starting QB identified by our scouts, you have to sacrifice someone from an area of strength. Allen's contract is coming up, Payne and Settle are next, they will require $$$. Trust me, I wouldn't want to do it and that's why I hate the salary cap and FA, but we need a QB. Stafford and/or Ryan would cost $$$ which could also affect keeping our linemen in the future.

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[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/12/28/22204021/peter-schrager-says-rivera-wanted-to-cut-haskins-before-the-carolina-game-but-was-talked-out-of-it"]Schrager reports Rivera wanted to cut Haskins last week[/URL], but was talked out of it by multiple people inside the org, including Doug Williams. Doug says it's "news to me" and [URL="https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/exclusive-sources-detail-facts-of-rivera-doug-williams-involvement-in-washington-football-team-release-of-qb-dwayne-haskins"]SI's sources contradict the report.[/URL] (But it's not like Doug was going to say "yeah definitely I talked him out of it last week and because of me you witnessed Sunday's fiasco!")

Anyway, I am not the only one seeing Snyder's ghost around this mess... which makes me even more glad Haskins was finally cut !

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I give up settle or ionnadis but not both

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[quote=njant;1271004]I give up settle or ionnadis but not both[/quote]

That’s what I meant, one of the 3, your best bet being Payne since he was a 1st rounder and playing like one.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqbsbRxW4AYFNR-?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

From ESPN

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I Don't think Dranold is as bad as he has looked.. That team is god awful, if you can get him for a 5th I say do it

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If we have to lose someone with the potential to get a good pick or two then I'd look to trade Matt I. I'd rather keep him, but we've been without him most of the season and done well enough without. Those saying he offers us pass rush from the interior should remember we need solid run D in this division facing 2 if not 3 of the better RBs in the league. Or current starting 4 seem to do pretty week at generating pass rush already.

But yes, I agree that chasing a big name FA with their incumbent salary needs is likely to do us more harm than good. We've got a 3-5 year window to dominate this division with what we already have in place, let alone 2021 additions; no need to mortgage the future for 1-2 years with a vet that may actually not pan out.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1271007]I Don't think Dranold is as bad as he has looked.. That team is god awful, if you can get him for a 5th I say do it[/quote]

It's going to be interesting to see what the Jets do. I see no reason to trade him really - not for what they would likely get in return. He's going to cost them almost nothing for the next three years, in terms of the QB position. I think the consensus across the league is that Darnold is not the problem there. They have a ton of cap space, and the #2 pick. With a nice draft and a few FA additions, they could likely turn that ship around pretty quickly [I]with[/I] Darnold.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1271009]If we have to lose someone with the potential to get a good pick or two then I'd look to trade Matt I. I'd rather keep him, but we've been without him most of the season and done well enough without. Those saying he offers us pass rush from the interior should remember we need solid run D in this division facing 2 if not 3 of the better RBs in the league. Or current starting 4 seem to do pretty week at generating pass rush already.

But yes, I agree that chasing a big name FA with their incumbent salary needs is likely to do us more harm than good. We've got a 3-5 year window to dominate this division with what we already have in place, let alone 2021 additions; no need to mortgage the future for 1-2 years with a vet that may actually not pan out.[/quote]

If Heinicke plays well this week (assuming Alex doesn't play), then that's enough for me to try to bring him back next year to compete. Then I'm more inclined to pick up a free agent QB AND draft a QB. But I don't want to trade any of our D-linemen or draft picks for an aging - beat up Stafford. I don't want to take my chances with a QB coming off a bad injury (i.e. Dak or K Allen). There's only a couple FA QBs I would entertain...No thanks to Rivers, Trubisky, C McCoy, Brissett, Dalton, Newton etc.

Bottom line for me - don't trade any D-linemen, keep all the draft picks (unless there's a chance to maneuver a little to get your future QB in the draft), start to extend some contracts for guys that will be the core of this team moving forward, upgrade the QB, Oline, WR, TE, and LB positions via free agency, bring back Heinicke, draft your future QB then BPA in the draft, and win the SB.

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Darnold has enough of a resume to see that he's nothing special. Less than 60% completions, takes a lot of sacks, seems to play with his hair on fire with little pocket presence a lot of the time. That's not from me that's from a Jets fan buddy of mine.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1270999][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/12/28/22204021/peter-schrager-says-rivera-wanted-to-cut-haskins-before-the-carolina-game-but-was-talked-out-of-it"]Schrager reports Rivera wanted to cut Haskins last week[/URL], but was talked out of it by multiple people inside the org, including Doug Williams. Doug says it's "news to me" and [URL="https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/exclusive-sources-detail-facts-of-rivera-doug-williams-involvement-in-washington-football-team-release-of-qb-dwayne-haskins"]SI's sources contradict the report.[/URL] (But it's not like Doug was going to say "yeah definitely I talked him out of it last week and because of me you witnessed Sunday's fiasco!")

Anyway, I am not the only one seeing Snyder's ghost around this mess... which makes me even more glad Haskins was finally cut ![/quote]

Schrager reports... mmmmk. Said who? He didn't name a damn person - who is he tied to in this organization that he could get that nugget? Nobody...

I'm not buying it. RR did what he had to do, which was put the QB in on Sunday that he thought gave the team the best chance to win the division - period. 31 other coaches in the league would have likely done the same thing in that impossible position. Now that Sunday happened, it's clear that DH doesn't offer anymore than Heinicke, and after two years invested, the decision became much easier.

Man, people just like drumming up shit about this organization - whether it's there or not. Nope, not buying that at all.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271014]Schrager reports... mmmmk. Said who? [B]He didn't name a damn person - who is he tied to in this organization that he could get that nugget? Nobody...[/B]

I'm not buying it. RR did what he had to do, which was put the QB in on Sunday that he thought gave the team the best chance to win the division - period. 31 other coaches in the league would have likely done the same thing in that impossible position. Now that Sunday happened, it's clear that DH doesn't offer anymore than Heinicke, and after two years invested, the decision became much easier.

Man, people just like drumming up shit about this organization - whether it's there or not. Nope, not buying that at all.[/quote]

Fair enough. And I sure hope you're right. I just think it's a legit thing to fear. An anyway, Ron got to cut him this week, and it's all that matter I guess.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1271024]Fair enough. And I sure hope you're right. I just think it's a legit thing to fear. An anyway, Ron got to cut him this week, and it's all that matter I guess.[/quote]

Unfortunately this sort of thing has been so common over the past 20+ years that people just come to expect it with this organization - and don't question it.

I really think with RR here that stuff is over. If not, I don't expect him to hang around too long.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270872]I'm cool with that, Matt Ryan would be a great 2 year fit[/quote]

Matt Ryan is not a FA and if traded for would cost us high draft pics for a 2 to 3 year player . . . maybe if the price was right as i like Matt Ryan a lot . . . but not at too high a cost to handcuff us for too long. Does Julio Jones come with him?

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This guy is a sleeper and just might slip into the 1st round, he’s a junior not sophomore. From everything I’ve read he has the potential to be better than Trask and Jones. You can watch him Friday on the Peach Bowl. You judge.

[url]https://youtu.be/0HxQalVBZOk[/url]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1270999][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/12/28/22204021/peter-schrager-says-rivera-wanted-to-cut-haskins-before-the-carolina-game-but-was-talked-out-of-it"]Schrager reports Rivera wanted to cut Haskins last week[/URL], but was talked out of it by multiple people inside the org, including Doug Williams. Doug says it's "news to me" and [URL="https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/exclusive-sources-detail-facts-of-rivera-doug-williams-involvement-in-washington-football-team-release-of-qb-dwayne-haskins"]SI's sources contradict the report.[/URL] (But it's not like Doug was going to say "yeah definitely I talked him out of it last week and because of me you witnessed Sunday's fiasco!")

Anyway, I am not the only one seeing Snyder's ghost around this mess... which makes me even more glad Haskins was finally cut ![/quote]

If Snyder was truly involved, Haskins would still be on the team. I don't buy this at all. Also Snyder has other issues that are keeping him preoccupied.

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[quote]This guy is a sleeper and just might slip into the 1st round, he’s a junior not sophomore. From everything I’ve read he has the potential to be better than Trask and Jones. You can watch him Friday on the Peach Bowl. You judge.
[URL]https://youtu.be/0HxQalVBZOk[/URL]
[/quote]

I like him. I'll be watching the Peach Bowl.

I don't know if he would come in and play right away, but he is definitely an intriguing prospect that could be had either by trading back into the end of the 1st round [COLOR=#202124]à la [/COLOR]M. Sweat, or perhaps even with their 2nd round pick.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271034]I like him. I'll be watching the Peach Bowl.

I don't know if he would come in and play right away, but he is definitely an intriguing prospect that could be had either by trading back into the end of the 1st round [COLOR=#202124]à la [/COLOR]M. Sweat, or perhaps even with their 2nd round pick.[/quote]

I say sign CJ Beathard as a 1 year stop gap, draft Ridder and let him sit and learn.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271026]Unfortunately this sort of thing has been so common over the past 20+ years that people just come to expect it with this organization - and don't question it.

I really think with RR here that stuff is over. If not, I don't expect him to hang around too long.[/quote]

If you want to talk culture change - did you hear one peep, rumor, innuendo, or shaming statement toward Haskins from "sources" over this past season. The closest we come is a note from Schrager (who??) that says RR wanted to cut Haskins. Hell who didn't want to cut him. Even in Schrager's story he says that they talked about reasons and Rivera chose to keep him. So, even from this attempt at stirring drama, they reinforce that the fact that Rivera a) is in charge b) listens to differing opinions and can reflect versus dictate.

This is the next new era in the history of this team and maybe it leads back to respectability then excellence. GO TEAM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1271040]If you want to talk culture change - did you hear one peep, rumor, innuendo, or shaming statement toward Haskins from "sources" over this past season. The closest we come is a note from Schrager (who??) that says RR wanted to cut Haskins. Hell who didn't want to cut him. Even in Schrager's story he says that they talked about reasons and Rivera chose to keep him. So, even from this attempt at stirring drama, they reinforce that the fact that Rivera a) is in charge b) listens to differing opinions and can reflect versus dictate.

This is the next new era in the history of this team and maybe it leads back to respectability then excellence. GO TEAM[/quote]

Agree with your overall point. But the leaks about Haskins' work ethic right after his benching were a bad reminiscence of the past, and probably hurt his potential trade value after a quite good Ravens game IIRC.

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Every 4-5 years we start talking about culture change and Snyder finally stepping away.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
Never has and never will!
Snyder enjoys being involved more than winning.

This will be Snyder on draft day making our first and second round picks.
[IMG]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LankyUnrealisticBlackrussianterrier-size_restricted.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=SunnySide;1270908]My 2 thoughts for why Fitzpatrick would not be a good fit is that he isnt a quick read/throw guy and he takes chances. With our D, we dont need to press press press on offense as its not a race to the first one to 30 points wins. We can win comfortably and consistently 24-13 vs 37-27. We value possessions, play strong D and we win.

Then I looked up his stats. Fitzpatrick is second in the league in time from snap to throw at 2.2 seconds, behind Big Bens 2.1.
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing_advanced.htm[/url]

I was a "no to fitz" person 5 mins ago and am now putting his name in the hat with the 15 other options we have.

Interesting plan C if we dont draft a 1st rounder or get a Stafford type guy.[/quote]

so the same reason stafford wouldn't be a good fit?! . . . at least fitzpatrick would be cheaper in $$$ and wouldn't cost a pick like stafford would (multiple)

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[quote=jamf;1271055]Every 4-5 years we start talking about culture change and Snyder finally stepping away.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
Never has and never will!
Snyder enjoys being involved more than winning.

This will be Snyder on draft day making our first and second round picks.
[IMG]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LankyUnrealisticBlackrussianterrier-size_restricted.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Jamf stop killing my hope!

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Some names are floating around-Trabinski[maybe?]Darnold[maybe?]we need a young vet[five year or less]for the long haul...the kid from Philly[can he stay healthy?]word on the street says that Carolina might want Haskins[good luck with that]but that's their problem.

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Maybe Haskins should wait it out to see if Urban Meyer actually joins the NFL this offseason, which looks like a real possibility. Lions, Falcons, & Jaguars are reportedly interested in Meyer or at least are said to be potential landing spots along with several other teams. That might be Haskins' best bet to redeem himself. If Meyer won't take him, then that will tell you all you need to know.

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I would absolutely give a 19-32 first round pick for Stafford.. he is 32 and could play at high level for 4-5 years or longer .. as far as a package I’m not sure i would give next years number one also ... this team is a Qb and Three players away from being legit.. another botched First round Can’t miss QB will sit us back years ... as far as injury goes with Stafford look what happened to Burrow..at least make a attempt .. what do is we offer for Cooper last year ?? I know no picks were involved but his price was steep ..I hope we at least get in the mix on trying to get Matt!

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I hope Stafford / Ryan / Rivers aren't even on their radar.

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If you're a good scouting/coaching staff everyone with any talent or potential is on your radar, until they are ruled out.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1271075]If you're a good scouting/coaching staff everyone with any talent or potential is on your radar, until they are ruled out.[/quote]

Yeah, but if you're a good scouting/coaching staff, hopefully you also have a plan that involves getting younger and building something sustainable for a long time, rather than giving away pieces and picks and tying up 50+ million in the QB room next year.