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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278638]It's why the AAF and XFL folded.. I know the Rock thinks he can make it work but he won't... Nobody gives a shit about minor league football. In fact nobody really cares about that in any sport.

When was the last time you watched a Minor League baseball game?[/quote]

I must admit I always find it unusual how much of a difference there is between the US and other nations when it comes to tier 2+ sport. i.e. Lower league football over here is well supported, almost as well as the Premier League, and has the revenue to support quite good salaries in the 2nd tier (Championship) and at least enough in the next level (League 1) to live off. Lower divisions do tend to have more part time players, and the lowest levels are lucky if they get expenses, but between the top 3 tiers that's 68 teams, with many players in the PL earning similar if not more money to NFL players. They play more games here obviously, so a direct comparison doesn't really make sense. But is it more a case that there are other sports competing for the audience (baseball, basketball, CFB), that a spring league professional set up couldn't; make the revenue? Or is it that the players wouldn't accept more economic salaries for the risk etc.?

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[quote=SunnySide;1278642]I wish there was more reporting on this.

What is taking so long?
Who makes the decision?
What factors are considered?

Teams have to be cap compliant in 9 days ....[/quote]

Don't be surprised if the NFL and NFLPA announce a "COVID Exception" to the Salary Cap this year, to be funded by later year adjustments.

The cap won't go down 20%, maybe 10% but I also would not be surprised for the two parties work out a deal to keep the cap neutral this year.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278655]I must admit I always find it unusual how much of a difference there is between the US and other nations when it comes to tier 2+ sport. i.e. Lower league football over here is well supported, almost as well as the Premier League, and has the revenue to support quite good salaries in the 2nd tier (Championship) and at least enough in the next level (League 1) to live off. Lower divisions do tend to have more part time players, and the lowest levels are lucky if they get expenses, but between the top 3 tiers that's 68 teams, with many players in the PL earning similar if not more money to NFL players. They play more games here obviously, so a direct comparison doesn't really make sense. But is it more a case that there are other sports competing for the audience (baseball, basketball, CFB), that a spring league professional set up couldn't; make the revenue? Or is it that the players wouldn't accept more economic salaries for the risk etc.?[/quote]

The US has a problem that if you are not at the "Top level" of your field then nobody really cares about the rest..

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278655]I must admit I always find it unusual how much of a difference there is between the US and other nations when it comes to tier 2+ sport. i.e. Lower league football over here is well supported, almost as well as the Premier League, and has the revenue to support quite good salaries in the 2nd tier (Championship) and at least enough in the next level (League 1) to live off. Lower divisions do tend to have more part time players, and the lowest levels are lucky if they get expenses, but between the top 3 tiers that's 68 teams, with many players in the PL earning similar if not more money to NFL players. They play more games here obviously, so a direct comparison doesn't really make sense. But is it more a case that there are other sports competing for the audience (baseball, basketball, CFB), that a spring league professional set up couldn't; make the revenue? Or is it that the players wouldn't accept more economic salaries for the risk etc.?[/quote]

The closest we have to this is baseball and hockey. Without knowing the set up of football over there, most players for baseball and hockey are drafted and signed by the major league club to either a major league or minor league deal. Most minor league baseball and hockey are big draws in attendance but no real tv revenue and only a small radio revenue. Not as many players are making what we would consider a livable salary unless they are a prospect or a role player that bounces back and forth to the major league club.

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I would not report the Eagles have internal unanimity on Hurts as QB1 but sources say the boss, Jeffrey Lurie, has instructed his group to prioritize making Hurts successful in 2021 as opposed to creating a true competition.

Mort report

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278655]I must admit I always find it unusual how much of a difference there is between the US and other nations when it comes to tier 2+ sport. i.e. Lower league football over here is well supported, almost as well as the Premier League, and has the revenue to support quite good salaries in the 2nd tier (Championship) and at least enough in the next level (League 1) to live off. Lower divisions do tend to have more part time players, and the lowest levels are lucky if they get expenses, but between the top 3 tiers that's 68 teams, with many players in the PL earning similar if not more money to NFL players. They play more games here obviously, so a direct comparison doesn't really make sense. But is it more a case that there are other sports competing for the audience (baseball, basketball, CFB), that a spring league professional set up couldn't; make the revenue? Or is it that the players wouldn't accept more economic salaries for the risk etc.?[/quote]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that a team in the 2nd tier has the possible opportunity to move up to the Premier League, with a team that wasn't as successful moving down. That can't happen in American professional sport. I wish it could.

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Interesting points about some of our potential FA targets. Notably Corey Davis - some have suggested going after him. I wouldn't say no to him, but I'd be looking to go after the likes of Robinson, Golladay, Samuel far in preference to Davis. And it also highlights how the market may not be as rich for Scherff as maybe he thinks.

[URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-eleven-players-who-could-be-overpriced"]https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-eleven-players-who-could-be-overpriced[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Number44;1278666]Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that a team in the 2nd tier has the possible opportunity to move up to the Premier League, with a team that wasn't as successful moving down. That can't happen in American professional sport. I wish it could.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is a good point. In your leagues, it's more about player movement, particularly in baseball. I'd say it's also something of a restriction for CFB; the static nature of the college divisions means poor performance mainly affects the coaching/athletic staff and to a degree the players, not the institutions themselves (except maybe in revenue terms?).

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1278667]Interesting points about some of our potential FA targets. Notably Corey Davis - some have suggested going after him. I wouldn't say no to him, but I'd be looking to go after the likes of Robinson, Golladay, Samuel far in preference to Davis. And it also highlights how the market may not be as rich for Scherff as maybe he thinks.

[URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-eleven-players-who-could-be-overpriced"]https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-free-agency-eleven-players-who-could-be-overpriced[/URL][/quote]

As much as I like Robinson, I don't think he's coming here to be WR2 or even WR1B to Terry. I think we have a better chance of landing a Samuel or Davis, maybe even Golladay, although I'm wondering if he's also going to be looking to be WR1 somewhere else.

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Looks like Dak is going to get a deal done per Rap sheet... He wants to stay in Dallas.

There goes another QB option (Not that it was likely anyway)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278672]Looks like Dak is going to get a deal done per Rap sheet... He wants to stay in Dallas.

There goes another QB option (Not that it was likely anyway)[/quote]

I'd rather see Dak back with the Cowpukes than having them luck out and get Watson or Wilson.

That being said, Dallas has little cap room, so they are going to have to cut a lot of people to get a deal done with Dak.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278673]I'd rather see Dak back with the Cowpukes than having them luck out and get Watson or Wilson.

That being said, Dallas has little cap room, so they are going to have to cut a lot of people to get a deal done with Dak.[/quote]

Yeah, a long term deal or the franchise tag, either one will likely cripple them financially. Dak is in a good position. Unfortunately he and that offense will probably have to score 50 points a game to compete.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1278673]I'd rather see Dak back with the Cowpukes than having them luck out and get Watson or Wilson.



That being said, Dallas has little cap room, so they are going to have to cut a lot of people to get a deal done with Dak.[/QUOTE]They will likely restructure Cooper and Lawrence and do a megadeal with Dak and end up with cap to spare.

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Assuming those players want to restructure their contracts.

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The Jags are sitting pretty all-around. They can be seriously competitive as soon as next year with a good offseason and Sunshine being anywhere near as good as advertised.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278680]Assuming those players want to restructure their contracts.[/quote]

Honestly, restructuring means kicking the can down the road. But you can only get so many players to do this. I see the Cowpukes having to part ways with a number of players.

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Yeah, but for those guys, their future salaries are already greater than this year's salary. I don't know how they kick the can in this case.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1278680]Assuming those players want to restructure their contracts.[/QUOTE]Restructuring means more guaranteed money and nearly always is favorable to the player.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278686]Restructuring means more guaranteed money and nearly always is favorable to the player.

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Yeah I get that. I'm just saying that they both account for $125mil guaranteed money total already, so I'm not sure what that restructuring is going to look like.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278662]I would not report the Eagles have internal unanimity on Hurts as QB1 but sources say the boss, Jeffrey Lurie, has instructed his group to prioritize making Hurts successful in 2021 as opposed to creating a true competition.

Mort report[/quote]

Ownership forcing a young QB on their newly hired coach. Hmmm, where have I heard this song before?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278687]Yeah I get that. I'm just saying that they both account for $125mil guaranteed money total already, so I'm not sure what that restructuring is going to look like.[/quote]

I just went off of Overthecap's number, and it looks like the could push 26Million out over the next few years. But yeah you would think eventually it would crash around them.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278687]Yeah I get that. I'm just saying that they both account for $125mil guaranteed money total already, so I'm not sure what that restructuring is going to look like.[/quote]

I like to think that RR saw this coming and bumped the price on Cooper with no intention of signing him. ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1278689]I just went off of Overthecap's number, and it looks like the could push 26Million out over the next few years. But yeah you would think eventually it would crash around them.[/quote]

One can only hope.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1278680]Assuming those players want to restructure their contracts.[/quote]

Apparently the Cowboys write into some players contracts (like Lawrence) that they have to accept restructures. They restructured Lawrence a year or so ago (converting salary to signing bonus then spreading over life of contract).

Thats normal restructuring.

But Jerry Jones added another voidable year so the now bigger singing bonus could be more watered down. I never heard that before.

Hopefully Lawrence continues to regress!

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Carlos Dunlap released.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31027678/seattle-seahawks-release-de-carlos-dunlap[/url]

I could see the Ravens calling him but I hope Kerrigan gets to go there.

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"Tom Brady has told the team he would like to play 2-3 more years" - John Clayton

Damn , is Tom ever going to let anyone else win???

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278694]"Tom Brady has told the team he would like to play 2-3 more years" - John Clayton

Damn , is Tom ever going to let anyone else win???[/quote]

:) Has he done a deal with the devil?

He looked like he could go at least 1 more year watching the SB but I think father time might have an argument with him beyond that. No matter how hard he trains his throwing strength is the biggest factor now and that could easily drop off a cliff in the next 12-24 months. All credit to him if he makes it, but I think 3 more is a real push.

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Dallas has signed Dak to a 4 year 160M deal per reports

40M a year

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278698]Dallas has signed Dak to a 4 year 160M deal per reports

40M a year[/quote]


$126 million guaranteed.

Dayum son ... get paid!


[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-free-agency-2021-dak-prescott-cowboys-agree-to-terms-on-contract-extension-with-record-126m-guaranteed/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1278698]Dallas has signed Dak to a 4 year 160M deal per reports

40M a year[/QUOTE]How. Can. They. Afford. That.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278700]How. Can. They. Afford. That.

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It would seem that they have to win NOW. Eventually, this will catch up to them.

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[quote=SunnySide;1278692]Apparently the Cowboys write into some players contracts (like Lawrence) that they have to accept restructures. They restructured Lawrence a year or so ago (converting salary to signing bonus then spreading over life of contract).

Thats normal restructuring.

But Jerry Jones added another voidable year so the now bigger singing bonus could be more watered down. I never heard that before.

Hopefully Lawrence continues to regress![/quote]

I'm assuming no competent agent would allow a restructure that lowers salary, in which case it is simply more signing bonus and perhaps added years, for most players, given that only guaranteed money really matters, taking future pay in the present is a good deal, especially if no added years. Cowboys just mortgaging future.

Teams add voidable years all the time, it lowers the annual average of the signing bonus cap hit and thus provides cap relief. In English it usually just means dead money in the future, like the recent Rothlis-raper deal.

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A 1st rounder traded for a 7th rounder after only 1 year. Titans even threw in a 7th rounder next year to sweeten the pot.

Wilson must've been a real shithead.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31029620/tennessee-titans-shipping-isaiah-wilson-miami-dolphins[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1278705]A 1st rounder traded for a 7th rounder after only 1 year. Titans even threw in a 7th rounder next year to sweeten the pot.

Wilson must've been a real shithead.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31029620/tennessee-titans-shipping-isaiah-wilson-miami-dolphins[/url][/quote]

He's talented. I'd have traded a 6th and dunked his face in a bucket of Lysol! LOL.

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[quote=Scalper;1278702]I'm assuming no competent agent would allow a restructure that lowers salary, in which case it is simply more signing bonus and perhaps added years, for most players, given that only guaranteed money really matters, taking future pay in the present is a good deal, especially if no added years. Cowboys just mortgaging future.

Teams add voidable years all the time, it lowers the annual average of the signing bonus cap hit and thus provides cap relief. In English it usually just means dead money in the future, like the recent Rothlis-raper deal.[/quote]

$66 mil signing bonus (NFL record), and $75 mil in the first year (NFL record). Great job DP.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1278700]How. Can. They. Afford. That.

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Because Jurrah got fat stacks of 💵 and by front loading signing bonus money up front in the contract, you can get a huge pay out but still only have a nominal cap hit in base salary.

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Don't think it matters how much cash Jerruh has, he can only spend what the cap allows. Yeah, he can underpay, but he can't overpay.

Yes the structure does allow a big up front pay-out, but it's still mortgaging the future for the team; win now or not, definitely pain later.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1278722]Don't think it matters how much cash Jerruh has, he can only spend what the cap allows. Yeah, he can underpay, but he can't overpay.



Yes the structure does allow a big up front pay-out, but it's still mortgaging the future for the team; win now or not, definitely pain later.[/QUOTE]That is how it is supposed to work, but the reality is it usually just takes a good accountant's brain to keep the cap from causing issues. I am really curious to see if this year's cap decline really messes up teams like the Saints and Rams, or if they play number games to offset what should be insurmountable cap deficits.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1278718]Because Jurrah got fat stacks of 💵 and by front loading signing bonus money up front in the contract, you can get a huge pay out but still only have a nominal cap hit in base salary.[/quote]

Well, according to Overthecap, the Cowpukes are a $1 mil over the cap. No matter how much money Jerry has, he still going to have to restructure contracts and cut players to make things work this season.