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I like 19 ... our needs are OT, athletic coverage LB or coverage FS.

1 or 2 of Darrisaw/Jensen/Vera Tucker will be there

1 of JOK or Collins will be there

FS Moehrig should be there

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[quote=Defensewins;1281917]I am not saying I believe the allegations, but you asked, so here they are. I am not sure what has been disproven. I am just now looking into it as a life long Redskins fan and concerned about about who we draft. That is all.

"The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported in January that the initial complaint also includes graphic details of perpetrators exposing their genitalia on and near the faces and bodies of others. Among other things, perpetrators were alleged to have wrestled victims to the ground and made humping actions while on top of them, stolen victims clothes and placed their genitalia on victims while in the team showers."

[URL="https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/2020/11/20/isaiah-humphries-allegations-penn-state-james-franklin/stories/202011200131"]https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/2020/11/20/isaiah-humphries-allegations-penn-state-james-franklin/stories/202011200131[/URL]

"Miller reported the lawsuit also named Micah Parsons, Yetur Gross-Matos and Jesse Luketa as "ringleaders of the alleged abuse" and stated the hazing included players saying "I'm going to Sandusky you" in reference to former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, who is in prison for molesting young boys while on staff."
"Humphries described the hazing in the lawsuit and said Luketa went as far as to threaten to kill him for complaining about it."

"He claims his alleged tormenters [B][U]would wrestle victims to the ground, then shove their genitals in the victims' faces or between their buttocks and hump them," Miller wrote. "Those who resisted were bullied[/U][/B], he contends. Hazers also stole their targets' clothes, Humphries says."

[URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2871329-james-franklin-psu-players-named-in-isaiah-humphries-lawsuit-alleging-hazing"]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2871329-james-franklin-psu-players-named-in-isaiah-humphries-lawsuit-alleging-hazing[/URL][/quote]

What we're talking about here is essentially sexual assault, yikes

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Still don't believe me about Parsons and Penn State culture in totality?

It's no secret up here in PA that PSU main campus is basically Satan's playground. You get it all, rape, racism and your kid had a sold chance of dying there.

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If that shit is true F that guy.. Hard pass

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1282098]I agree. I don't know Football Teams draft board but I'd imagine most teams only have 15-20 guys graded out as legitimate first rounders.[/quote]

I have heard that multiple times recently, that a lot of teams don't have more than 20 or so players with a first round grade. Much less than in years past. That is why I think trading back could be the logical move depending on who is there.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1282109]Still don't believe me about Parsons and Penn State culture in totality?

It's no secret up here in PA that PSU main campus is basically Satan's playground. You get it all, rape, racism and your kid had a sold chance of dying there.[/quote]

I mean the current PSU head coach left Vanderbilt in the middle of a controversy (I believe two of his players had been accused of rape). So this does not surprise me at all.

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[quote=HTTR;1282100]JOK, Darrisaw, or Parsons if available (and if FO okays Parsons). Otherwise, trade down since rounds 2 and 3 are loaded with potential value.

Problem is, can we really find a trade partner who sees a must-have at 19? Maybe someone who needs an edge guy like Paye or Owen? 19 is a real tweener spot this year.[/quote]

There are always guys who fall to the bottom half of the first round every year and teams trade up from late first round or early second round if they covet that player. There will be opportunities. But the question is, will the value be enough for Ron and Co. to pull the trigger?!

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[quote=Monkeydad;1282109]Still don't believe me about Parsons and Penn State culture in totality?

It's no secret up here in (state) that (top ranked D1 football school) main campus is basically Satan's playground. You get it all, rape, racism and your kid had a sold chance of dying there.[/quote]

FTFY. Disagree on the "solid chance of dying there" though. What exactly is the correlation between number of students attending campus and number of students dying before they leave campus?

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Closer we get to the draft, I think we will be going defense first. LB, CB or maybe the draft top Free Safety

It will have to be a major prospect falling at Tackle to go offense. I’m not so sure if Darisaw is the pick even if he is there.

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This man please

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1282204][IMG]https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/32X4YCHMYHKRH7A4AE7P2AJ3XI.jpg[/IMG]



This man please[/QUOTE]



He will be there at 19. Would like Darrisaw or Slater more but they probably will not be. Especially Slater. What would it take to move up like 6 spots for a tackle? I would love to cement the o line. Slater can play every position. Some say he is better than Sewell.

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I also think if a corner is there that falls they would take him.

They would play the boundary and people forget, Fuller is extremely versatile. He excelled at slot and played some safety in KC.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282204][IMG]https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/32X4YCHMYHKRH7A4AE7P2AJ3XI.jpg[/IMG]

This man please[/quote]

Would you draft him over JOK, J. Davis or Z. Collins?

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Tucker is being projected at LT in the pros. Nice that he has versatility though. If Scherrff bolts next year he could slide over or stay at LT depending on what we do at G. I think Tucker is the pick. Thats my final answer.

With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....
 

[QUOTE=GridIron26;1282208]Would you draft him over JOK, J. Davis or Z. Collins?[/QUOTE]



Yes, hell yes, and yes.
Edit: maybe not over JOK.

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[quote=GridIron26;1282208]Would you draft him over JOK, J. Davis or Z. Collins?[/quote]

Over Davis and Collins, yes

Not over JOK

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282204][IMG]https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/32X4YCHMYHKRH7A4AE7P2AJ3XI.jpg[/IMG]

This man please[/quote]

Same. I want a ballhawk out there.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282204][IMG]https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/32X4YCHMYHKRH7A4AE7P2AJ3XI.jpg[/IMG]

This man please[/quote]

I would be just fine with that.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1282220]Same. I want a ballhawk out there.[/quote]

We need a true center fielder FS. Moehrig is not that. He just adds to logjam at SS or creates more coverage issues.
I favor BPA. Irrespective of position.
If it is close, I go the high five leverage positions in order: QB,LT,DE,CB,WR. Again LT above DE because he protects QB, CB above WR because shutdown corners much harder to find than WR. We have 2 stud DEs, so could obviously pass on that, but we could easily use another 3rd corner or a true #1 WR if someone falls. Alas, I think RR and staff are thinking filling need.
Best outcome is still top-5 QB falling to 19. Doubt it.
Second best outcome is a LT, dominant pass blocker care less about run blocking, falls.
Third best outcome if first two don't happen trade down and get 2nd tier LT or QB.
Fourth best outcome is CB or WR falls to us at 19.
We are DYING for a thumper in middle, at LB, but you can get that guy with 2nd 3rd round pick. I would not be surprised to see us reach at LB.

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Moehrig is a Free Safety, and projected to be a damn good one - period.

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[quote=Scalper;1282223][B]We need a true center fielder FS. Moehrig is not that. He just adds to logjam at SS or creates more coverage issues.[/B]
I favor BPA. Irrespective of position.
If it is close, I go the high five leverage positions in order: QB,LT,DE,CB,WR. Again LT above DE because he protects QB, CB above WR because shutdown corners much harder to find than WR. We have 2 stud DEs, so could obviously pass on that, but we could easily use another 3rd corner or a true #1 WR if someone falls. Alas, I think RR and staff are thinking filling need.
Best outcome is still top-5 QB falling to 19. Doubt it.
Second best outcome is a LT, dominant pass blocker care less about run blocking, falls.
Third best outcome if first two don't happen trade down and get 2nd tier LT or QB.
Fourth best outcome is CB or WR falls to us at 19.
We are DYING for a thumper in middle, at LB, but you can get that guy with 2nd 3rd round pick. I would not be surprised to see us reach at LB.[/quote]

You are literally the only person I've seen anywhere that says he can't play deep safety. What are you basing this off of?

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"Moehrig put up big numbers in his last two seasons as a starter and was a two-time First-Team All-Big 12 selection. He was named to seven All-American teams as well. In the past two seasons he took part in nine takeaways which tied for second in the FBS. This past season his 11 passes defended trailed only teammate Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson (13) in the Big 12. He placed third on the Horned Frogs with 47 tackles, including 2.0 for loss."

"Very talented height-weight-speed prospect with the range and ball skills to become an impact defender at the next level. Moehrig possesses the overall talent to play in a variety of coverages, including over the slot against big targets, but his talent might be best served as a high safety where his instincts and anticipation lead him to the football. He's a talented ball tracker with soft hands and does a very good job of maintaining balance and positioning to make a play..."

"Trevon Moehrig is a free safety that has satisfied multiple roles for the Horned Frogs. A consistent and urgent single-high player, he’s a free-flowing mover that’s at his best when able to patrol the middle of the field. With seven career interceptions, he’s proven to not only be a constant ball disruptor, but he’s a safety that can change the momentum of games by getting the ball back to his team...Ideal Role: Starting free safety."

"Moehrig has adequate size, but excellent versatility and instincts. He can play in the deep post or cover in the slot. He is a smooth, fluid mover in man coverage underneath. He also possesses ideal anticipation and range from the back end. He has the ability to consistently match patterns and position himself for plays on the ball... He will provide his defensive coordinator with options, which is exactly what's desired in 2021."

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1282204][IMG]https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/32X4YCHMYHKRH7A4AE7P2AJ3XI.jpg[/IMG]



This man please[/QUOTE]

Edit. Disregard. Answered already.

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[quote=Scalper;1282223]We need a true center fielder FS. Moehrig is not that. He just adds to logjam at SS or creates more coverage issues.
I favor BPA. Irrespective of position.
If it is close, I go the high five leverage positions in order: QB,LT,DE,CB,WR. Again LT above DE because he protects QB, CB above WR because shutdown corners much harder to find than WR. We have 2 stud DEs, so could obviously pass on that, but we could easily use another 3rd corner or a true #1 WR if someone falls. Alas, I think RR and staff are thinking filling need.
Best outcome is still top-5 QB falling to 19. Doubt it.
Second best outcome is a LT, dominant pass blocker care less about run blocking, falls.
Third best outcome if first two don't happen trade down and get 2nd tier LT or QB.
Fourth best outcome is CB or WR falls to us at 19.
We are DYING for a thumper in middle, at LB, but you can get that guy with 2nd 3rd round pick. I would not be surprised to see us reach at LB.[/quote]

Moehrig is a FS, with coverage skills. His game is similar to Earl Thomas, not saying he’s him, but he’s definitely not a SS.

At 19, One possibly two top players will fall and be available. We’ll see

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[QUOTE=Scalper;1282223]... We have 2 stud DEs, so could obviously pass on that, but we could easily use another 3rd corner or a true #1 WR if someone falls. ... [/QUOTE]
We have a true #1 WR, likewise your dismissing Scherff. Some of your posts are interesting but you lose a ton of credibility when you blatantly disregard consensus (NFL GM consensus not home fan angst consensus) opinions of talent. Not asking for a lengthy diatribe of how you see it, just giving you another fan's opinion on how I read your treatises.

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The idea that McLaurin is not a "true #1 WR" is preposterous.

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Equally as absurd as the notion that Trevon Moehrig is not a Free Safety.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/college-football/nfl-draft/player/58946/trevon-moehrig[/url]


TREVON MOEHRIG
S, TCU HORNED FROGS

[B]TCU S Trevon Moehrig could be in play for Washington with the 19th overall pick if the Football Team stays put, according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano. [/B]
Washington may look into moving up in the draft order, as the team would like to address its need at the quarterback position. While the Football Team did engage in trade conversations regarding QB Matthew Stafford and OT Orlando Brown Jr., they ultimately pulled out. GM Martin Mayhew spent time in Fargo with North Dakota State QB Trey Lance, so it's possible that Washington will look to move up if they're set on him as their quarterback of the future. But if Washington stays put Moehrig, who they're believed to be quite high on, could be the choice. The former TCU standout is expected to be the first safety off the board.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1282232]The idea that McLaurin is not a "true #1 WR" is [B]preposterous[/B].[/quote]

Channel your inner Jackie Chiles. I like it.

The Best of Jackie Chiles :[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh75boHp3_4[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1282232]The idea that McLaurin is not a "true #1 WR" is preposterous.[/QUOTE]



It cements my first block as completely justified. I only see the quoted parts of his rants. Might be thee single most ridiculous football related post ive seen on here in 10 years. And that is saying a whole lot.

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[quote=punch it in;1282334]It cements my first block as completely justified. I only see the quoted parts of his rants. Might be thee single most ridiculous football related post ive seen on here in 10 years. And that is saying a whole lot.[/quote]

Challenge accepted!!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1282337]Challenge accepted!![/quote]

Well I was going to search up a post about one of you loving the Jim Zorn hire, but the search feature is disabled.


Why are we acting like Google and hiding things?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1282337]Challenge accepted!![/QUOTE]



Ha! I said football related posts. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1282343]Ha! I said football related posts. Lol[/quote]

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[quote=punch it in;1282205]He will be there at 19. Would like Darrisaw or Slater more but they probably will not be. Especially Slater. What would it take to move up like 6 spots for a tackle? I would love to cement the o line. Slater can play every position. Some say he is better than Sewell.[/quote]

Let's ask Chase.


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"I'm hearing if Washington stays put at 19 and Mc Jones is there they will take him" - Bucky Brooks

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My reports are telling me: Rabble, rabble, rabble

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Watch Ron draft a Center at 19 lmao

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282358]Watch Ron draft a Center at 19 lmao[/quote]

So let's have some fun.


Crazy draft pick predictions...let's get into the mind of Vinny Cerrato or Bruce Allen and go nuts, a pick that makes zero sense, a player that's not even at a position of need or destined to be a bust.


I'll go first.


[SIZE="5"][B]Trey Smith, GUARD, Tennessee[/B][/SIZE]

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Not sure why all the angst if Tucker is the pick. People seem to think he is only a guard but he excelled as tackle last year.