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More Jamin Davis is what we need anyway, he's faster and better

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I Know some don't have The Athletic here so I'm about to post a long ass article..

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ATLANTA — The honeymoon is over. The bloom is off the rose.

That was certainly the sentiment deep into the fourth quarter while watching the Washington Football Team struggle at Mercedes-Benz Stadium. Trailing the Falcons by eight points as the clock ticked under four minutes, Washington faced the real possibility of tacking on another loss with its (over-)hyped defense looking lost yet again.

To localize an idiom in Chase Young’s parlance, the dudes were in trouble. No BSing.

Truth be told, they arguably still are, even after a miraculous comeback led by Taylor Heinicke. Washington scored two touchdowns in the final 3:52, including J.D. McKissic’s 30-yard catch, sprint and dive, for a 34-30 win.

“I’m more pleased with the win,” coach Ron Rivera said as Washington moved to 2-2, “but at the same time, I told the guys, ‘Let’s be realistic and be honest about the things we have to correct.'”

There’s so much to correct, starting with the third-down defense that remains preposterously brutal. Washington had been allowing opponents to convert on 58.7 percent of third downs before Atlanta went 10-for-16, or 62.5 percent. Three of the Falcons’ four touchdowns were scored on third down.

Sunday marked Washington’s 20th regular-season game coached by Rivera. Four games in Year 2, we don’t have enough to definitively state much. Yet for the first time in that 20-game stretch, there are real questions to ask about where Washington is headed.

That’s even without considering a fresh batch of injuries to All-Pro right guard Brandon Scherff, tight end Logan Thomas and others, plus an upcoming schedule that’s capable of scaring Jason Voorhees.

But yes, those worries exist, too.

When anyone considered Washington’s upside this season, the defense took center stage. Last year’s statistics, even if inflated by varying circumstances, reflected progress and upside. Countless discussions praised the unit.

Lately, the words and chatter have told a different tale. Any honest account noted the defense was flailing. That won’t change after Sunday.

As Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan and playmaker Cordarrelle Patterson, who scored three touchdowns, rolled up production, several defensive players held a meeting on the sideline.

Free safety Bobby McCain, the admitted wrongdoer on Patterson’s 42-yard touchdown catch in the second quarter, declined to share what was discussed. He didn’t stop there.

“Yeah, I know exactly what it was about, but I’m not going to tell you guys because you guys aren’t on my side,” said McCain, who was released by the Dolphins in the offseason and joined Washington in May. “I respect what you do … but defensively, we’ll get it together. We meet and we’re going to figure out details, and when we start balling and we start playing our asses off, I want y’all to write the same shit that y’all write.”

It’s unclear why McCain chose to vent in the media’s direction after a win or to act like the truth shouldn’t be told. He must grasp the nature of criticism considering that by allowing 374 yards, Washington’s average dropped to 417.5 per game, right?

“Yeah, I completely understand that,” McCain said while responding to a follow-up question. “We’re 2-2. It’s early in the season. I understand you guys have a job to do. Like I said, no disrespect to you guys, but we couldn’t honestly care about your opinions or anybody else’s opinions outside of the building because we know what we have to do.”

Cool. Ignore the chattering class or the long-suffering fans who choose to skip attending home games because their frustration is off the charts. It’s true, what observers say or think means squat.

But there’s no dismissing the head coach.

Rivera called last week’s game against Buffalo, a Super Bowl contender, a measuring stick. Washington fell wildly short. It rebounded for a victory on Sunday, yet it again didn’t meet expectations — or, as defensive tackle Jonathan Allen preferred, the team’s “standards.”

“We’ve been talking about this for four weeks,” Allen said. “There’s really not much left for me to say besides, ‘We’ve just got to do better.'”

Ryan, the NFL MVP in 2016, is a false front for anyone thinking the Falcons are decent. They are rebuilding, which is why multiple people around the league who have watched both teams believed Washington would roll.

Instead, it came perilously close to falling to 1-3 after having already escaped with a 30-29 victory in Week 2 when the Giants were whistled for a last-second penalty.

Rivera loved the resiliency but said of the various issues, “They need to be worked on, to be very honest. They really do. We have to be honest with ourselves, because if not, we’ll run into a wall very quickly.”

Doubts with Dustin Hopkins resurfaced after the kicker missed two extra points. Washington ruled out five players after in-game injuries, including Scherff (knee) and Thomas (hamstring). But Heinicke’s heroics in his hometown, McKissic’s magic and “Touchdown” Terry McLaurin saved Washington. Return specialist DeAndre Carter returned a kickoff 101 yards for a touchdown.

Let’s also note for McCain and others that the defense stymied Atlanta on its final drives, including Ryan’s desperate heave on the final play.

“When (our) defense needed a stop, it got a stop. Were they perfect? No,” McLaurin said. “When the offense needed to make a play, we made a play. Were we perfect? No. … Those are the team wins that give you confidence going forward.”

McLaurin, who had six catches for 123 yards and two touchdowns, is part of a .500 team after four games for the first time in his three seasons.

“We understand we’re not where we need to be yet, but we’re not where we used to be,” McLaurin said. “I feel like we did a great job of finishing and we’re just gonna try to build off this momentum.”

Momentum swings happen, and ideally, Washington would turn a needed road triumph into good play next week at home against the Saints. The NFL is mostly made up of middling teams careening into each other weekly, as evidenced by the Saints tumbling to the winless Giants in overtime Sunday.

Regardless, the Week 5 matchup signals the stepped-up part of the schedule that, over the next five games, includes meetings with the Chiefs and Buccaneers — the two teams that met in last season’s Super Bowl. In between, there are road games against the Packers and the Broncos, who fell to 3-1 on Sunday. The challenges don’t stop there.

If Washington needs 30 or more points from its offense to win games, it is doomed. All the praise goes to the gritty Heinicke, Washington’s starter at least until Ryan Fitzpatrick returns from a right hip injury and possibly beyond. His arm strength and limited experience make each possession and many throws angst-riddled affairs.

Falcons coach Arthur Smith credited Heinicke and Washington’s receivers, but said, “We have to make the plays. They throw you the ball, you have to come down with it. The history of the NFL, you drop sure interceptions, you’ve seen a lot of the outcomes.”

Here’s more history: Good teams usually win more games and struggling teams do not. Washington is even after four games, but after victories over teams that are a combined 2-6 (and the Falcons beat the Giants last week), we’re far from anyone thinking the team is good.

“We know we have to have a commitment to detail. We know what to do to win ball games,” McCain said. “At the end of the day, we came out of here with the W, so make sure you write that down. We came out of here with the W.”

Done. Now, before that wall comes any closer, let us write about one where you win — and play up to outside expectations or internal standards.

By Ben Standig

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1293946]I would say this is good news, both are liabilities. Promote Danny Johnson[/quote]

I'm not sure McTyer has made so many mistakes so far... ?
I mean when you consider how bad Fuller, WJ3, McCain and Collins are playing, his performance didn't seem like the issue to me.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1293960]I'm not sure McTyer has made so many mistakes so far... ?
I mean when you consider how bad Fuller, WJ3, McCain and Collins are playing, his performance didn't seem like the issue to me.[/quote]

He was getting roasted yesterday and was called for Pass interference, however the refs canceled it probably to make up for the Chase Young phantom roughing the passer foul.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1293960]I'm not sure McTyer has made so many mistakes so far... ?

I mean when you consider how bad Fuller, WJ3, McCain and Collins are playing, his performance didn't seem like the issue to me.[/QUOTE]I think McTyer played ok but had a lot of PI calls where he didn't turn his head around.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1293971]I think McTyer played ok but had a lot of PI calls where he didn't turn his head around.

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Yeah my bad forgot about those, I keep thinking of him as a rookie and go "ah that's ok he'll learn to turn his head around" when I see these DPI... but he's not a rookie ^^

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1293957]I Know some don't have The Athletic here so I'm about to post a long ass article..[/QUOTE]


I thought whats his name was back when i first scrolled by the post. The longest poster in wp history lol. What was his screen name?

Anyway the players need to just stfu and say we are failing right now but we will figure this out. I mean really you are going to get mad at the media for saying you stink? They stink. In some areas it is a historically bad stink.

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Why does our defense suddenly suck? I'll tell you. It is the secondary. They don't know where they should be. Or they are hesitant because they are still thinking hard about it. There's a reason people liked Moreland. He knew where to be and he caused turnovers. What he an ideal speciman? No. They figured more size, speed, talent would be an obvious upgrade. Well, that all assumes they have the same know how and the same motivation. Right now, no one in the secondary is showing either. Remember, 100% of the starting secondary is playing a different position this year. This is a major mistake prioritizing flex vs continuity. I'd rather have fixed starters that are very good, then someone that can start 3 positions that is only good in one and average in others. The truth is, the secondary late last year started playing as a cohesive unit. That is not happening, therefore a 3 second throw is completed as if every throw is a one on one drill. The dline, particularly Chase is getting impatient and freelancing. Which sucks when u can easily synch your rush with superior talent. This is not just coaching. It is morale. It is attitude. You have some folks that are used to losing consistently. They lose their fire quickly.

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I forgot to mention this but I felt like the announcing team of Mark Sanchez and the other guy was terrible. In comparison - I'd rather listen to a 3 hour audio recording of Sanchez's butt fumble than listen to him call a game again.

"It was weird - a weird penalty" in regards to the CY99 RTP call - the only thing weird about that is your ineptitude accurately describing the game.

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Funny I didn't get to see the game it but described the forearm as awkward. I must have been channeling my inner Mark Sanchez. Thankfully no butt fumble for me though.

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[quote=skinsnut;1293980]Why does our defense suddenly suck? I'll tell you. It is the secondary. They don't know where they should be. Or they are hesitant because they are still thinking hard about it. There's a reason people liked Moreland. He knew where to be and he caused turnovers. What he an ideal speciman? No. They figured more size, speed, talent would be an obvious upgrade. Well, that all assumes they have the same know how and the same motivation. Right now, no one in the secondary is showing either. Remember, 100% of the starting secondary is playing a different position this year. This is a major mistake prioritizing flex vs continuity. I'd rather have fixed starters that are very good, then someone that can start 3 positions that is only good in one and average in others. The truth is, the secondary late last year started playing as a cohesive unit. That is not happening, therefore a 3 second throw is completed as if every throw is a one on one drill. The dline, particularly Chase is getting impatient and freelancing. Which sucks when u can easily synch your rush with superior talent. This is not just coaching. It is morale. It is attitude. You have some folks that are used to losing consistently. They lose their fire quickly.[/quote]

Agree good point about the secondary. I think they are more of the problem than the dline.

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[quote=Chico23231;1293987]Agree good point about the secondary. I think they are more of the problem than the dline.[/quote]

If the playcall asks them to play 5-10 yards off the line and give up anything underneath in order to prevent the big play - is it on the players or on the coaches for not calling the right play?

That question is rhetorical btw - without knowing the play call we can't determine who is the problem here.

I think qb's know they have to get the ball out quick - so what do you do when they do that? You press the receiver at the line and disrupt the timing so the qb holds the ball longer.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;1293980]Why does our defense suddenly suck? I'll tell you. It is the secondary. They don't know where they should be. Or they are hesitant because they are still thinking hard about it. There's a reason people liked Moreland. He knew where to be and he caused turnovers. What he an ideal speciman? No. They figured more size, speed, talent would be an obvious upgrade. Well, that all assumes they have the same know how and the same motivation. Right now, no one in the secondary is showing either. Remember, 100% of the starting secondary is playing a different position this year. This is a major mistake prioritizing flex vs continuity. I'd rather have fixed starters that are very good, then someone that can start 3 positions that is only good in one and average in others. The truth is, the secondary late last year started playing as a cohesive unit. That is not happening, therefore a 3 second throw is completed as if every throw is a one on one drill. The dline, particularly Chase is getting impatient and freelancing. Which sucks when u can easily synch your rush with superior talent. This is not just coaching. It is morale. It is attitude. You have some folks that are used to losing consistently. They lose their fire quickly.[/QUOTE]


I agree the secondary is the biggest train wreck unit, but wouldn’t it help them if Sweat and CY were getting to the quarterback like last year? Less time they have to cover, quarterback is getting rid of the ball before he wants to etc.
The whole defense is awful but I do agree as invisible as our d ends have been the secondary is sooooooooo lost.

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Double post

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;1293980]Why does our defense suddenly suck? I'll tell you. It is the secondary. They don't know where they should be. Or they are hesitant because they are still thinking hard about it. There's a reason people liked Moreland. He knew where to be and he caused turnovers. What he an ideal speciman? No. They figured more size, speed, talent would be an obvious upgrade. Well, that all assumes they have the same know how and the same motivation. Right now, no one in the secondary is showing either. Remember, 100% of the starting secondary is playing a different position this year. This is a major mistake prioritizing flex vs continuity. I'd rather have fixed starters that are very good, then someone that can start 3 positions that is only good in one and average in others. The truth is, the secondary late last year started playing as a cohesive unit. That is not happening, therefore a 3 second throw is completed as if every throw is a one on one drill. The dline, particularly Chase is getting impatient and freelancing. Which sucks when u can easily synch your rush with superior talent. This is not just coaching. It is morale. It is attitude. You have some folks that are used to losing consistently. They lose their fire quickly.[/QUOTE]Agreed, good post.

I would add some of the throws that make the secondary look bad are on our LBs for not taking enough depth in zone coverage.

And we still need our DL to produce more, the level of indiscipline by our DEs is unacceptable. They need to re-focus. Fast.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1294002]Agreed, good post.

I would add some of the throws that make the secondary look bad are on our LBs for not taking enough depth in zone coverage.

And we still need our DL to produce more, the level of indiscipline by our DEs is unacceptable. They need to re-focus. Fast.

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Yes i left the fact that the inside backers are even worse than last year somehow out which doesn’t help the secondary either.

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It's a lack of scheme disguise.. Watching the film , these guys show what they are doing Pre snap.. Thta's HS Level of football smh.. JDR is old and outdated ,

Jon Allen and Payne are balling tho.

CY and Sweat (mostly CY) Sucks right now

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[quote=htownskinfan;1293704]Yeah I forgot to bring up Hopkins,Thank God it didn’t come down to him kicking to win the game! Since these coaches can’t seem to get their head out of their ass I’m sure they will stick with him and not even bring anybody into compete[/quote]

So just as I predicted they’re sticking with Hopkins and not bringing anyone in:banghead:

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1294012]It's a lack of scheme disguise.. Watching the film , these guys show what they are doing Pre snap.. [B]Thta's HS Level of football smh[/B].. JDR is old and outdated ,

Jon Allen and Payne are balling tho.

CY and Sweat (mostly CY) Sucks right now[/quote]

And yet our DBs seem to be confused with our quarter defense, don't they ? It's fascinating...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1294017]And yet our DBs seem to be confused with our quarter defense, don't they ? It's fascinating...[/quote]

On the Bust to Patterson, that was all on the FS , It was Cover 3 and he came down to support the crossing route. That is a simple fix but it's communication. JDR is doing an awful job right now

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[quote=htownskinfan;1294016]So just as I predicted they’re sticking with Hopkins and not bringing anyone in:banghead:[/quote]

Bad move. He nearly cost them the Falcons game with[U] two[/U] missed extra points. He's not getting any better.

We're also saddled with many other bad coaching decisions. Our secondary played well at the end of last season but our coaches never heard the old adage "if it ain't broke broke don't fix it'.

Nobody rushes just four players as much as we do. There are times when a team needs to bring more heat with creative blitzes.

There are still a couple of older players who have lost a step still starting and hurting us. That makes no sense to me on a building team.

Speaking of lack of creativity, Scott Turner isn't exactly blowing me away with his play calling.

We would be dead in the water by now if Providence hadn't willed us to have Taylor Heinicke as our starting QB. RR had nothing to do with that.

I could go on...

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1294020]Bad move. He nearly cost them the Falcons game with[U] two[/U] missed extra points. He's not getting any better.

We're also saddled with many other bad coaching decisions. Our secondary played well at the end of last season but our coaches never heard the old adage "if it ain't broke broke don't fix it'.

[B]Nobody rushes just four players as much as we do. There are times when a team needs to bring more heat with creative blitzes.[/B]

There are still a couple of older players who have lost a step still starting and hurting us. That makes no sense to me on a building team.

Speaking of lack of creativity, Scott Turner isn't exactly blowing me away with his play calling.

We would be dead in the water by now if Providence hadn't willed us to have Taylor Heinicke as our starting QB. RR had nothing to do with that.

I could go on...[/quote]

There's actually only six teams in the league that are blitzing more than Washington through the first four weeks.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1294070]There's actually only six teams in the league that are blitzing more than Washington through the first four weeks.[/quote]

But do those not blitzing have good coverage negating the need to blitz? Do they have a DL that generates significant pressure without needing to blitz?

We need to blitz more while our secondary is finding its feet (assuming it does; at times they look like they'd need help finding their asses) at least as without pressure we're being picked apart and the DL can't seem to do it alone.

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I don't know, I just know that they are blitzing more than most. Obviously it doesn't really matter, because the whole operation is not working.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1294070]There's actually only six teams in the league that are blitzing more than Washington through the first four weeks.[/quote]

I saw that last week. Currently we are 8th in blitz % at 30.3%

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm#all_advanced_defense[/url]

1st half against the Bills, we didnt blitz. Second half we blitzed like crazy. of our 54 blitz, Id guess 15+ came from that half alone.

I think the non blitzing is so pronounced bc we dont blitz on 3rd and longs and we are all hyper dissecting 3rd and longs.

Its something to watch. When we blitz, whats the down and distance, the scoreboard, etc

6th in QB hurries %, 10th in Qb pressure % ...

advanced stats say we are pressuring and hurrying the QB ..

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[quote=SunnySide;1294097]I saw that last week. Currently we are 8th in blitz % at 30.3%

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm#all_advanced_defense[/url]

1st half against the Bills, we didnt blitz. Second half we blitzed like crazy. of our 54 blitz, Id guess 15+ came from that half alone.

I think the non blitzing is so pronounced bc we dont blitz on 3rd and longs and we are all hyper dissecting 3rd and longs.

Its something to watch. When we blitz, whats the down and distance, the scoreboard, etc

6th in QB hurries %, 10th in Qb pressure % ...

[B]advanced stats say we are pressuring and hurrying the QB[/B] ..[/quote]

They do, and I think this all adds up to the fact that the back end of the defense is not only the biggest problem, but egregiously horrendous. Just imagine if they weren't pressuring/hurrying the QB at the rate they are...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1294099]They do, and I think this all adds up to the fact that the back end of the defense is not only the biggest problem, but egregiously horrendous. Just imagine if they weren't pressuring/hurrying the QB at the rate they are...[/quote]

Yeah its bad.

Are we putting William Jackson on the "weak" side on an island with his guy, asking him to play a cushion/off while stacking the S over the other side? Obviously not every snap but I think I see that a decent bit, hard to tell from TV footage.

I read we are not giving WJ3 protection and asking him to play 1 v 1 more than the others

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Chase Young: welcome to the NFL year 2. It is called film study. 32+ OT's have your outside move figured out, not to mention 32 playcallers. You have been completely neutralized. One move? one move?
Chase Young is a star, but he is not an ambiturner.

That is why he is getting pulled, that is why they can't play tight man. Chase Young is currently a liability because he assumed his speed could carry him like it has his whole life. Well, this is why you need a high football IQ. Everyone can be neutralized with enough film study. Aarrogance often leads to shooting star burnout careers. We will see what happens at the end of this movie. One move? One move?

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[quote=skinsnut;1294117]Chase Young: welcome to the NFL year 2. It is called film study. 32+ OT's have your outside move figured out, not to mention 32 playcallers. You have been completely neutralized. One move? one move?
Chase Young is a star, but he is not an ambiturner.

That is why he is getting pulled, that is why they can't play tight man. Chase Young is currently a liability because he assumed his speed could carry him like it has his whole life. Well, this is why you need a high football IQ. Everyone can be neutralized with enough film study. Aarrogance often leads to shooting star burnout careers. We will see what happens at the end of this movie. One move? One move?[/quote]

Continue to also ask the egotistical coaching staff the same question good sir. I blame them as much as him.

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We're still talking about the actual game in this thread? We should be discussing condiments by now.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1294167]We're still talking about the actual game in this thread? We should be discussing condiments by now.[/quote]

I love a good mustard.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1294170]I love a good mustard.[/quote]

Now this thread is getting places! Anyone like horse raddish?

Between that and wasabi, a total different kind of kick, but I like them both. When I get sushi, I'm out of wasabi after 3 pieces of the roll.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1294172]Now this thread is getting places! Anyone like horse raddish?

Between that and wasabi, a total different kind of kick, but I like them both. When I get sushi, I'm out of wasabi after 3 pieces of the roll.[/quote]
I didn't have horse radish once, but had Wasabi paste. Tried to make cocktail sauce with it for some shrimp cocktail...
I like spicy, and I like Wasabi quite a bit. This shit was not edible. No amount of ketchup mixed in muted the extreme Wasabi heat.
Had to throw it away with eyes watering and a runny nose.
I was victimized by cocktail sauce.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1294172]Now this thread is getting places! Anyone like horse raddish?

Between that and wasabi, a total different kind of kick, but I like them both. When I get sushi, I'm out of wasabi after 3 pieces of the roll.[/quote]

I put horseradish Mayo on all sandwiches… it’s great raw also !! I love wasabi also !

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Props to DeAndre Carter:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBBCL49UUAEA0_A?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

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Carter had that look right off the bat this year, you just knew he was going to have some big returns.

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[quote=MTK;1294217]Carter had that look right off the bat this year, you just knew he was going to have some big returns.[/quote]

I mean he is #1 , technically

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The blocking on that kickoff return was excellent as well. Certainly there are parts of this team that are playing very good football. Hopefully it all meshes and survives this brutal stretch.

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Watching the All 22 one thing that stood out is how well Payne, Allen and Ioannidis are playing. Our backfield needs to figure its shit out, our ends need to produce more.

Jamin Davis is looking more and more comfortable, both in coverage and against the run.

The Oline is playing really well. Cosmi is turning into a really well spent pick. And Leno is a nice surprise too, he looked slow in pre season and I was worried, but he is doing his job.

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