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[quote=Schneed10;1312335]Now you're just being irrational about the value of 2nd and 3rd rounders. They could be good, they could be complete non contributors, and they could end up as depth guys.

On the layup issue, I agree that's a problem, and ultimately what stops him from being considered anything better than an average starter. At the same time Bridgewater has never thrown for 27 touchdowns. So he might make layups but that's all he makes. Jameis, well he makes half court shots but he also turns the ball over like crazy.

I think you're looking at having to commit more guaranteed money to Teddy and Jameis than you think. There are still teams out there thirsty for QBs. Let's revisit this in a few weeks once those guys have signed. Bet you feel better about not having any guaranteed money committed to Wentz once you see what those guys get on the market.[/quote]

What I'm trying to say is I'd rather have my draft picks and take a chance on getting a free agent- Bridgwater, Trubisky, Winston, Mariota over giving up my picks and getting Wentz. To me Wentz isn't any better than the guys I just listed. If I struck out w/ all of them then I'm going back to Taylor/Allen and I am drafting someone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312348]What I'm trying to say is I'd rather have my draft picks and take a chance on getting a free agent- Bridgwater, Trubisky, Winston, Mariota over giving up my picks and getting Wentz. To me Wentz isn't any better than the guys I just listed. [B]If I struck out w/ all of them then I'm going back to Taylor/Allen and I am drafting someone.[/B][/quote]

That basically assures that they start the season with Heinicke at QB, which would be the ultimate offseason failure.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1312340]And perhaps so would the Philly coach who benched him.[/quote]

So you know more about Wentz than Doug P? He benched him for Hurts. Then management decided Hurts was better and traded him after they fired Doug P. Now after a year Indy has passed and traded him to the team that always takes an L on QB trades.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312345]I had an over season win total of 9.5 for the Colts. All they had to do was beat Jacksonville and I got $500. I proceeded to watch Wentz just fall apart. He couldn't do anything right when they needed him the most. Total choker against the worst team in football. Dude isn't a baller at all.[/quote]

All you had to say was that Wentz lost you money. I'd be mad too, but that's why I don't gamble.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312351]All you had to say was that Wentz lost you money. I'd be mad too, but that's why I don't gamble.[/quote]

yeah but still I never really liked him before that. just don't think much of him as a QB. never have.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312349]That basically assures that they start the season with Heinicke at QB, [B]which would be the ultimate offseason failure.[/B][/quote]

Yup.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312349]That basically assures that they start the season with Heinicke at QB, which would be the ultimate offseason failure.[/quote]

Not really. You just won 7 w/ him when the team had a shitty defense. How many do you win next year w/ Wentz? I'm calling it right now, 6-9 wins. He won't get them to 10 wins.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312345]I had an over season win total of 9.5 for the Colts. All they had to do was beat Jacksonville and I got $500. I proceeded to watch Wentz just fall apart. He couldn't do anything right when they needed him the most. Total choker against the worst team in football. Dude isn't a baller at all.[/quote]

Kyle Smith wouldn’t have made this stupid trade.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312354]Not really. You just won 7 w/ him when the team had a shitty defense. How many do you win next year w/ Wentz? I'm calling it right now, 6-9 wins. He won't get them to 10 wins.[/quote]

The schedule sets up pretty nicely actually. I can definitely see 10 or more wins on that schedule. If Wentz plays well they should compete for the Division at a minimum.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312355]Kyle Smith wouldn’t have made this stupid trade.[/quote]

Let it go man. He's been gone over a year now...

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1312345]I had an over season win total of 9.5 for the Colts. All they had to do was beat Jacksonville and I got $500. I proceeded to watch Wentz just fall apart. He couldn't do anything right when they needed him the most. Total choker against the worst team in football. Dude isn't a baller at all.[/QUOTE]


Taylor had his worst game of the year. Their defense gave up practically a 30 spot. Wentz had a bad game, but the entire team did. Im sure there was a heavy dose of over confidence. I mean I aint gonna label him a choker over one game.

Look 27 td’s, 7int’s. He is way better than TH and I like TH. Let’s see how he fits in a different system with a different team and coaches around him before we write him off. If he flops than we are in line for a stronger quarterback in next years draft most likely. All I know is for better or worse Carson Wentz is my new favorite quarterback. Hopefully he takes full advantage of what is very likely his last opportunity to prove himself.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312357]Let it go man. He's been gone over a year now...[/quote]

Our new front office sucks, they’ve showed me nothing just like I thought.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1312352]yeah but still I never really liked him before that. just don't think much of him as a QB. never have.[/QUOTE]


Really? 2017, 2018, and 2019 would like a word with you. 11,000 yards, 81 td’s to 21 int’s and a qbr of about 100. He had an off year in 2020. Last year was good until those last couple weeks. Point being he has had much more success than failure so far on the field. I think you might be pleasantly surprised.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1312359]Our new front office sucks, they’ve showed me nothing just like I thought.[/QUOTE]


Dude you are Mr Optimistic. We got a better quarterback than we had before. We got a draft to do. We got more money to spend. We got players like Chase, Logan, and McKissic coming back. Everyone needs to take a deep breath. People wanna call out Wentz like he is some bust. Look at the guys career numbers man. He is not a bust. He is an improvement over any quarterback on our roster. We need to stack the oline now. We need a S and a MLB on the other side.

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Nice going into free agency and draft with a QB in place!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1312362]Nice going into free agency and draft with a QB in place![/QUOTE]


Agreed. Build the oline. Get that illusive mlb. Get a safety. Get some key pieces, and i mean KEY pieces back from injury. We have cohesiveness with our coaching staff.

Everyone is freaking out about a guy who once threw for 4000 yards 33 td’s and 7 ints? Threw for 27-7 two other years? 21-7 another year. But all that is a fluke and one fuckin game against the Jaguars is his legacy? Gtfoh.

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Yes, and I would think that Wentz makes this team a bit more desirable than it was when potential free agents woke up this morning.

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[quote=punch it in;1312358]Taylor had his worst game of the year. Their defense gave up practically a 30 spot. Wentz had a bad game, but the entire team did. Im sure there was a heavy dose of over confidence. I mean I aint gonna label him a choker over one game.

Look 27 td’s, 7int’s. He is way better than TH and I like TH. Let’s see how he fits in a different system with a different team and coaches around him before we write him off. If he flops than we are in line for a stronger quarterback in next years draft most likely. All I know is for better or worse Carson Wentz is my new favorite quarterback. Hopefully he takes full advantage of what is very likely his last opportunity to prove himself.[/quote]

Wentz had several bad games last year. The td int ratio is very misleading. Look at how he holds on to them ball and takes sacks and fumbles.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312365]Yes, and I would think that Wentz makes this team a bit more desirable than it was when potential free agents woke up this morning.[/quote]

No one is beating down the doors to play w/ the guy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312370]Wentz had several bad games last year. The td int ratio is very misleading. Look at how he holds on to them ball and takes sacks and fumbles.[/quote]

He also had an Oline that couldn't pass pro and no real receiving threat. Everything is misleading.

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I wonder how Wentz feels today.

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[quote=mredskins;1312373]I wonder how Wentz feels today.[/quote]

Probably excited to play the Eagles twice.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312341]Wentz played with one of the best OL’s in football, yet he collapsed the last 3 games Of the season, he basically sucked!! I saw a couple of games and he looked washed up and had a noodle for an arm.[/quote]

The best run-blocking OL, they were terrible at pass protection. Like bottom of the league bad.

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Hopefully it's QB at 11 still. But I don't see that happening.

Next best thing is to trade down and get some picks back. We have lots of holes to fill.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312376]Hopefully it's QB at 11 still. But I don't see that happening.

Next best thing is to trade down and get some picks back. We have lots of holes to fill.[/quote]

One second we are QB away and now we have lots of holes, this fan base my god

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1312371]No one is beating down the doors to play w/ the guy.[/QUOTE]


Certainly nobody was beating down the door to play with TH. Carson has been around for years and played with plenty of people and thrown a bunch of them touchdowns etc. It is an absolute improvement. You are overlooking like 4 years of above average play because of a couple years - 1 was Covid. 1 was with a brand new team.

Sometimes players just fit better in different situations. Maybe he fucking hated the food in Indianapolis? Who knows. Maybe Washington will be a worse fit?
But you are acting like we signed Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton man. Carson Wentz has shown enough in his 6 years in the NFL to warrant at the very least a “wait and see” attitude.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1312378]One second we are QB away and now we have lots of holes, this fan base my god[/QUOTE]


Well we need MLB, S, G, WR, maybe CB or C. I think that whole we are a quarterback away thing was a pipe dream after our D played lights out in 2020. I haven’t heard many say that after 2021.
Fortunately we have a draft and some cap money to spend and can fill them all before 2022!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312345]I had an over season win total of 9.5 for the Colts. All they had to do was beat Jacksonville and I got $500. I proceeded to watch Wentz just fall apart. He couldn't do anything right when they needed him the most. Total choker against the worst team in football. Dude isn't a baller at all.[/quote]


Ahhhhhh .... now all the rantings make sense.

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[quote=punch it in;1312361]Dude you are Mr Optimistic. We got a better quarterback than we had before. We got a draft to do. We got more money to spend. We got players like Chase, Logan, and McKissic coming back. Everyone needs to take a deep breath. People wanna call out Wentz like he is some bust. Look at the guys career numbers man. He is not a bust. He is an improvement over any quarterback on our roster. We need to stack the oline now. We need a S and a MLB on the other side.[/quote]

Did you watch his last 3 games when the colts needed him the most? He looked like shit, I mean shit!! Noodle arm and really bad decision, he was responsible for the colts blowing 3 games they should have easily won.

Here are some lowlights of our future:

[url]https://youtu.be/uzGGduPwJDA[/url]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1312277]So we traded two 3rd round picks for him. He had 27 TDs and 7 ints last year. When he is healthy we've seen first hand what he can do. The risk is pretty minimal if you ask me. No matter what we did people were gonna be upset. We didn't get Rodgers nor Wilson, would you all rather trade away a first for Jimmy G.? I'm confused at those who are ticked off, what is the alternative solution? Heineke again? We know he isn't winning anything[/quote]

You nailed it IMO.
I don't actually [I]love[/I] the move, but I voted loved it because I actually really like it (and there was no in between voting option).

They were [I]running out of options[/I], they had to [I]guarantee[/I] an upgrade, they gave away a couple of 3rd round picks... This is a [I]low risk potentially high reward move[/I], I know we're not getting 2017/2018 Wentz, but can you remember the narrative about him back then ?
We were talking MVP.
Then injuries and mental struggles came in, but if he can become 75% of that player again, that's a QB you can win with... And if he doesn't, are we really gonna blame this FO for losing 2 3rd round picks in trying to upgrade the position?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312386]Did you watch his last 3 games when the colts needed him the most? He looked like shit, I mean shit!! Noodle arm and really bad decision, he was responsible for the colts blowing 3 games they should have easily won.

Here are some lowlights of our future:

[url]https://youtu.be/uzGGduPwJDA[/url][/quote]

Cousins laid that turd against the Giants and the Vikes still signed him. If we had paid true QB1 money, I'd be upset. But this is an insurance signing, low risk, high reward.

I can also show you his highlights, that are nowhere near what we've had in QB play since Kirk:

[url]https://twitter.com/i/status/1501732486036037633[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1312386]Did you watch his last 3 games when the colts needed him the most? He looked like shit, I mean shit!! Noodle arm and really bad decision, he was responsible for the colts blowing 3 games they should have easily won.

Here are some lowlights of our future:

[url]https://youtu.be/uzGGduPwJDA[/url][/QUOTE]


Idc about three games. I don’t. It’s a fresh start for him. It’s an upgrade for us. Look, worse case scenario, he has nothing left and what we saw the last couple weeks of 2021 is who he is now. It isn’t like we gave up the farm or even a big piece of it. But you don’t throw 27 td’s and 7 int’s and just suddenly in year 6 become a total bum and I doubt that is the case.
Best case scenario is he can win more games than Taylor and get us into the playoffs. Certainly you feel he is an upgrade from Taylor?
To do that we need to sign Jordan Hicks to free up 11 and not need a qb or mlb, stack the oline, grab a S and a WR. Boom. We got plenty of money and picks to do that. All Carson has to do is be better than TH man. Keep your head up!

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[quote=mredskins;1312378]One second we are QB away and now we have lots of holes, this fan base my god[/quote]

If we added a Russel Wilson, we would be closer than adding a Wentz. Doesn't mean we were Super Bowl favorites if we added a QB or that we didn't have other positions that need to be improved.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1312282][IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/6823i7.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Hahahahahahahaha


Carson Wentz fuckin sucks.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1312386]Did you watch his last 3 games when the colts needed him the most? He looked like shit, I mean shit!! Noodle arm and really bad decision, he was responsible for the colts blowing 3 games they should have easily won.

Here are some lowlights of our future:

[url]https://youtu.be/uzGGduPwJDA[/url][/QUOTE]


That dude is a fucktard nobody cares about him


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I like the move, my biggest problem with it is that for whatever reasons 3rd round picks have actually panned out for us in recent years. Probably our best value round overall.

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Alot of you guys will eat some Wentz crow this year.

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I like the move. If we can add a stud WR in the 1st round, the offense could take a huge step forward. Regardless of your opinion on Wentz, he is a HUGE upgrade over Heinicke, whom I still love as a backup.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312403]Alot of you guys will eat some Wentz crow this year.[/quote]

Happily, but I won't be holding my breath. Thos guys is a choker and a fumble machine.

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I feel way better about going into 2022 with Wentz than I did going into 2021 with Fitz. So for me, it was a good move. The only outcome you can honestly say would have been better - for sure - is if they were able to land Wilson/Watson/Rodgers. They took a big swing for Wilson, Rodgers went back to GB, and Watson is still in legal limbo.

I'm not exactly sure what you debbie downers expect the team to do. They swung for the fence and ended up with a stand-up triple. I'll take it.