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They could roll ol Joe out there weekend at Bernie’s style and there’s still zero chance I’d vote for a convicted felon. I mean come on this isn’t hard folks. Trump is trash and basically everything he said was a total fucking lie.

Both sides should agree to have both candidates step down right now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1362854]These fact checks are of course horseshit Mooby. But I’d expect nothing else…

yes Governor Northam supported killing baby up to moment of birth. Stop trying to excuse it.

Yes Biden supports open borders which he told illegals to surge to the border when he became to president during the primary. Highes months on record: [url]https://apnews.com/article/immigration-border-crossings-mexico-biden-18ac91ef502e0c5433f74de6cc629b32[/url].

His border policy is a catastrophe, stop excusing it. And Trump border crossings were at a 40 year lows…fact

Yes Biden had more Covid deaths than Trump. And did not have tests available during his major surge winter after he took office. Nothing Biden did in Covid stopped the Covid deaths.

Seriously bringing up 1953 stat on unemployment…yes these are clearly bias fact chats.

In modern unemployment, yes Trump saw historic numbers and brought the unemployment number for Blacks to the lowest point ever.

Your fact checks are biased against Trump and negligent misleading, conveniently leaves outs facts that support Trumps record

Trump lead the Middle East with the Abraham accords and crushed the isis war…Joe has lead the Middle East into by appeasing Iran, allowing them to support Hamas Oct 7 and the Houthis attacks on the Red Sea. The Ukraine war happened because Biden was weak on Russia and NATO


We can talk failed energy policy, inflation, record high rent and food prices, Gen Z being priced out of buying there first house…

We can talk Jews being attacked in the streets of LA and on college campuses with antisemitism not seen in my lifetime. These aren’t rednecks committing the acts but college professors, liberals in democrat run cities. And they allow it to happen


Mooby, can you seriously name a policy under Biden that has worked? Is your opinion the Biden record is stronger than Trumps record in their Presidency?[/quote]

I have no issue with most of what you posted above.

However this one ".And Trump border crossings were at a 40 year lows…fact." as true as it is, completely distorts the effectiveness of Trump's policy. World wide migration being shut down due to COVID was the cause, not border policy. You need to look at 2017-2019 to see if Trump's border policies were effective. They weren't and significantly so as illegal migration steadily increased in those years. Yes, Trump was better than Biden on border control as Biden outright opened them, but he was worse than his predecessors.

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[quote=MTK;1362862]They could roll ol Joe out there weekend at Bernie’s style and there’s still zero chance I’d vote for a convicted felon. I mean come on this isn’t hard folks. Trump is trash and basically everything he said was a total fucking lie.

Both sides should agree to have both candidates step down right now.[/quote]

People saying Biden should step out of the race, then should support invoking the 25th amendment today.

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[quote=Chico23231;1362864]People saying Biden should step out of the race, then should support invoking the 25th amendment today.[/quote]

Yes he should step down. And heck, yeah I agree about the 25th amendment too. That said if they replace him with a progressive Trump would still probably win. The Dems need to show they are refuting the far left policies that they are associated with - ie do a Sister Solja moment. Are the Dems willing to admit their stances in the cultural wars went too far and no longer align with the majority of the population (this is a major reason why minority support is weakening)? Are they willing to admit their Inflation Reduction Act actually accelerated inflation? Are they willing to admit the far left gained control of border policy essentially creating an open border? They need to replace Biden with someone that actually is in the center of American politics to have any chance at winning in November.

Options to stop Trump
1) Nominate a traditional conservative Republican opponent of Trump as their candidate.
- Romney, Haley, Cheney - chance of beating Trump probably close to 100%
2) Nominate a Republican moderate
- Hogan? Chance of beating Trump probably greater than 70%
3) Nominate a Dem Moderate
- Manchin, Sinema, Phillips - 50%
4) Nominate any other Dem - 35%
5) Keep Biden - less than 10%

Can't see them doing 1-3 under any circumstances.

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I look at it this way we’re voting for an administration not just the candidate, and since Trump absolutely does not surround himself with the best people despite what he says, it’s an easy choice. Why is a felon even allowed to run anyway? Need to get something on the books about that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1362859][B]Have you met Trump? Actually have you met highly successful men from up from Jersey, NYC, Ct, Boston? Many talk in the same vernacular…it’s annoying as fuck and rubs people the wrong way.” The best, the greatest”…that’s how they speak. [/B].[/quote]


That is absolute BS, you know nothing of anyone from New Jersey or New York or successful men.

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Joe Biden has dementia and is a fucking liar. Let's not all act like he tells only the truth just struggles mentally.

Trump is a manchild and a liar.

No matter who you vote for, you're getting an ass combo.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1362870]Joe Biden has dementia and is a fucking liar. Let's not all act like he tells only the truth just struggles mentally.

Trump is a manchild and a liar.

No matter who you vote for, you're getting an ass combo.[/quote]

Biden comes felony free at least, and he doesn’t surround himself with people who end up in jail

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[quote=MTK;1362871]Biden comes felony free at least, and he doesn’t surround himself with people who end up in jail[/quote]

Yeah, he just raises them instead.

Also, let's not act like if Trump was found innocent, you might've voted for him. It's just an easy line to throw in. The felonies over some slutbag has zero effect on why democrats won't vote for him. And frankly, it's really the least important reasons to not vote for him. There are many many better reasons.

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Easy line to throw in? Ok I guess I just like my presidents felony free. Call me fussy that I don’t want a guy with no class, morals, or ethics running the free world. I definitely would have never voted for a guy like Trump felonies or not, doesn’t take a genius to see he’s a bad hombre/piece of shit.

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[quote=MTK;1362873]Easy line to throw in? Ok I guess I just like my presidents felony free. Call me fussy that I don’t want a guy with no class, morals, or ethics running the free world. I definitely would have never voted for a guy like Trump felonies or not, doesn’t take a genius to see he’s a bad hombre/piece of shit.[/quote]

I think you just stated my point. You were never voting for him before these charges or regardless of the verdict. So throwing felonies over a whore are just little sprinkles on top. They don't make the sundae. I'm not trying to convince you to vote for Trump. I'm not either. But these felonies are just good soundbites to use on justifying your Biden vote, when he's a miserable candidate.

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I’m voting based on record. No one wants to talk policy because Biden’s been a fucking disaster on most, if not every front.

Trump did a better job on both domestic and foreign. Also doesn’t believe in cult like dumb shit like the world is gonna end in 10 years due to climate, violent criminals belong on the street, cutting up kids transgender bullshit is ok, etc.

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Let's do a Command Post poll, band of brothers/sisters. We pick 3 Republicans and 3 Democrats that aren't Trump or Biden. Whatever the poll says, we all vote for that person. So I might have to vote for say Gavin Newsom.

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[url]https://x.com/HalSparks/status/1806585292415291612[/url]

Imma keep it simple, alls I know is I ain't voting for the guy who shits his pants on live tv.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1362876]Let's do a Command Post poll, band of brothers/sisters. We pick 3 Republicans and 3 Democrats that aren't Trump or Biden. Whatever the poll says, we all vote for that person. So I might have to vote for say Gavin Newsom.[/QUOTE]How the parties think these two should be the candidates is beyond me. And make no mistake if either party WANTED a different candidate they would have moved heaven, hell and the media to make it happen.

Since neither has officially been nominated yet, I will still hold out hope that one or both conventions will watch that tape over and over and put competent, non-evil, candidates on the top of their ticket. Whichever party does that will get my vote. Otherwise neither will - though I am sure it won't be missed.

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[quote=mooby;1362878][url]https://x.com/HalSparks/status/1806585292415291612[/url]

Imma keep it simple, alls I know is I ain't voting for the guy who shits his pants on live tv.[/quote]

Hal Sparks…wasn’t he the guy vh-1 used to get to comment on all their shows? gotta be like 15-20 years. Nice pull


Mooby, should they invoke the 25th amendment? Who is leading the country?

Remember last week when the media lied about the “cheap fake” videos and Obama lead Biden off stage? How did that story turn out?…another lie

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1362874]I think you just stated my point. You were never voting for him before these charges or regardless of the verdict. So throwing felonies over a whore are just little sprinkles on top. They don't make the sundae. I'm not trying to convince you to vote for Trump. I'm not either. But these felonies are just good soundbites to use on justifying your Biden vote, when he's a miserable candidate.[/quote]

The fact he’s a convicted felon just cements the fact he’s not qualified to run the country. It’s a worthy part of the overall discussion.

In what walk of life would someone support the hiring of a guy like this for any critically important job let alone the President? It’s just bizarre we’re at this point. I don’t think the convictions should be glossed over.

I’m not trying to justify voting for Biden, I’d vote for anyone not named Trump.

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Haven't read a post from anyone claiming Biden is a great President. He is 80 and yeah he doesn't move like he did at 55 or 60 name anyone that does and he has sufferd from a stammer his whole life No one has claimed he is the best.
In the race for President he is 150 times better then trump. Being a convicted Felon is a validation for all that have known what scum he is, trump has only one policy ...whats good for him fuck the Country , Fuck America. MAGA scum cult memebers like chico feel the same, they ignore how the MAGA party has and is wrecking the Democracy that has always been the back bone of this Country.

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[quote=Chico23231;1362875]I’m voting based on record. No one wants to talk policy because Biden’s been a fucking disaster on most, if not every front.

Trump did a better job on both domestic and foreign. Also doesn’t believe in cult like dumb shit like the world is gonna end in 10 years due to climate, violent criminals belong on the street, cutting up kids transgender bullshit is ok, etc.[/quote]

And you don't want to talk about an attempted coup or that his own interests come first, Russia's come second and then he might think about it for anyone or thing else.

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[quote=Chico23231;1362875]I’m voting based on record. No one wants to talk policy because Biden’s been a fucking disaster on most, if not every front.

Trump did a better job on both domestic and foreign. Also doesn’t believe in cult like dumb shit like the world is gonna end in 10 years due to climate, violent criminals belong on the street, cutting up kids transgender bullshit is ok, etc.[/quote]

What exactly was a Trump policy that would be worth another 4-8 years or longer of him? My 403B was fantastic while he was in office, but I also had neighbors that repeatedly had INS called by other neighbors because the wife is from Greece and the husband from Jamaica. The same neighbors had a "Fuck Biden" poster aimed at an elementary school bus stop during the election. They recently put it up again. I don't want that trauma again. I would rather have high inflation and high taxes it isn't worth it. In regards to climate change the only people who have said the Earth would end in 10 years are conservative mouth pieces like Alex Jones, Sean Hannity etc. They take the words of scientists and twist them. Climate change should be the number one issue everything else is a result of it the economy, immigration, security.

But what about dumb shit like have white supremist in the cabinet? How about the legal killing of unarmed citizens. These are the values of Trump. He has already said he would want to put liberals in concentration camps, that is really cool that is the America you want.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1362879]How the parties think these two should be the candidates is beyond me. And make no mistake if either party WANTED a different candidate they would have moved heaven, hell and the media to make it happen.

Since neither has officially been nominated yet, I will still hold out hope that one or both conventions will watch that tape over and over and put competent, non-evil, candidates on the top of their ticket. Whichever party does that will get my vote. Otherwise neither will - though I am sure it won't be missed.

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When Biden ran in 2020 I was hoping he would do it for one term and step down. When the primaries came out I was hoping republicans would choose someone other than Trump. That didn't happen. In the end we will get one of these two and that is sadly what we deserve.

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The democrats lie and then state media spreads the lie. Communist type shit..3rd world commie shit like attempting to locking up your political rival on bullshit charges.

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Jill Biden is the worst wife I'd wish on anyone.

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Alright I’ll bite and probably regret it but what problem would anyone have with Jill Biden??

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[quote=MTK;1362902]Alright I’ll bite and probably regret it but what problem would anyone have with Jill Biden??[/quote]

Well the thinking is supposedly she is the one that pushed her husband to run and keep running despite his obvious dementia.

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[quote=MTK;1362902]Alright I’ll bite and probably regret it but what problem would anyone have with Jill Biden??[/quote]

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[B][SIZE="6"]The Ex President of the United States and the Daughter
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It’s funny to see how Twitter can’t be used anymore to promote conspiracy theories like project 2025 by Democrats. They are seething about it.

Now I see Reddit is trying to push the de-bunked Epstein and Trump connections. Man it’s tough out there for Blue Anon.

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Welp, one psycho from the left has pretty much guaranteed Trump will become president again, especially if Biden stays in the race. This had nothing to do with Biden (as in him even remotely knowing about it), but I can't see how this doesn't mount the pressure even more on him to let someone else run on the blue ticket in 2024.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1363016][B]Welp, one psycho from the left has pretty much guaranteed Trump[/B] will become president again, especially if Biden stays in the race. This had nothing to do with Biden (as in him even remotely knowing about it), but I can't see how this doesn't mount the pressure even more on him to let someone else run on the blue ticket in 2024.[/quote]

Here I thought chico was the dumbest MF here, you're running a real close second!

How about prayers for those dead and injured?

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[quote=Giantone;1363017]Here I thought chico was the dumbest MF here, you're running a real close second!

How about prayers for those dead and injured?[/quote]

Anyone that tries to assassinate a President has something wrong with them. I'd say the same if someone from the right shot Biden, Obama, etc. And I just made a prediction. I didn't attack anyone or say anything outlandish. If that makes me a dumb motherfucker, I can live with that.

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[quote=Giantone;1363017]Here I thought chico was the dumbest MF here, you're running a real close second!

How about prayers for those dead and injured?[/quote]

G1, I'd like to apologize to you for anything mean I have said towards you and any personal attacks. I pray that you can forgive me.

I love this site and the people on it. I hope everyone has a great Sunday.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1363018]Anyone that tries to assassinate a President has something wrong with them. I'd say the same if someone from the right shot Biden, Obama, etc. And I just made a prediction. I didn't attack anyone or say anything outlandish. If that makes me a stupid motherfucker, I can live with that.[/quote]

Yeah you did dumb ass you said and I quote "[B]one psycho from the left "[/B] end quote. You have no fucking clue who this shooter was, the history of this Country shows most assignations were by mental unstable people but you in one swoop says it's the Left. Way to jump the gun and show your true political allegiance and stop your BS I'm not one or the other shit.
I don't know who did it but I am sincerely upset about the bystanders at the rally Dying and being hurt. Who knows who did it, maybe the MAGA 25 who want a revolution, maybe the 10 of thousand people who were screwed by trump University , maybe one his many of thousand ex employees he has screwed over, maybe one of the millions of Americans that know he betrayed this Country, shit maybe it's a jealous ex husbands? I will say I'm pretty sure it's not "the left" like a moron like you thinks.

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[quote=Giantone;1363020]Yeah you did dumb ass you said and I quote "[B]one psycho from the left "[/B] end quote. You have no fucking clue who this shooter was, the history of this Country shows most assignations were by mental unstable people but you in one swoop says it's the Left. Way to jump the gun and show your true political allegiance and stop your BS I'm not one or the other shit.
I don't know who did it but I am sincerely upset about the bystanders at the rally Dying and being hurt. Who knows who did it, maybe the MAGA 25 who want a revolution, maybe the 10 of thousand people who were screwed by trump University , maybe one his many of thousand ex employees he has screwed over, maybe one of the millions of Americans that know he betrayed this Country, shit maybe it's a jealous ex husbands? I will say I'm pretty sure it's not "the left" like a moron like you thinks.[/quote]

I said one person. I'm not putting any blame on any one else. If he turns out not to be from the left then I will admit that I was wrong. But the blame falls with the shooter and no one else.

I'm obviously conservative, I don't think that's a secret here. But I'm not voting for Trump, I will be writing someone else in.

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[quote=Giantone;1363020]Yeah you did dumb ass you said and I quote "[B]one psycho from the left "[/B] end quote. You have no fucking clue who this shooter was, the history of this Country shows most assignations were by mental unstable people but you in one swoop says it's the Left. Way to jump the gun and show your true political allegiance and stop your BS I'm not one or the other shit.
I don't know who did it but I am sincerely upset about the bystanders at the rally Dying and being hurt. Who knows who did it, maybe the MAGA 25 who want a revolution, maybe the 10 of thousand people who were screwed by trump University , maybe one his many of thousand ex employees he has screwed over, maybe one of the millions of Americans that know he betrayed this Country, shit maybe it's a jealous ex husbands? I will say I'm pretty sure it's not "the left" like a moron like you thinks.[/quote]

He was a liberal, if you contribute money to ACT Blue to progressive pacs…you are in fact a liberal

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[quote=Chico23231;1363022]He was a liberal, if you contribute money to ACT Blue to progressive pacs…you are in fact a liberal[/quote]

YOU don't know shit , it's morons like you that fight against everything and then label other , left, liberal, Dems, you don't know shit. Yet when it comes to to try and keep guns from the hands of the mentally challenge and the young there you are defending everyone's right to have a gun, so just go climb back into your cell in the basement and continue your Nazi Maga worship and give a thought to the incent by standers that died or are injured.

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[quote=Chico23231;1363022]He was a liberal, if you contribute money to ACT Blue to progressive pacs…you are in fact a liberal[/quote]

Does this make Trump a liberal?

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Trump picked Vance who actually compared Trump to Hitler. Now he's the VP candidate.

I gave shit to Biden picking Kamala, this is at least as bad.

Politics in this country is wild. No matter how much you shit on the president, you can still become VP.

Are there no competent options on both sides? Like you can't pick a reasonable candidate that doesn't hate you?

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[quote=mooby;1363028]Does this make Trump a liberal?[/quote]

He's definitely bi-political. But as a leftist, you can't judge him, he was born that way.

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Very disappointed with Youngkin's speech.

It sounded like if you asked A.I. to write the most boring biased political speech ever.