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I wonder what the base is... $20mill is a lot for a 33 year old that's probably missing time.

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[quote=That Guy;1360506]I wonder what the base is... $20mill is a lot for a 33 year old that's probably missing time.[/quote]

Here....

[quote]@ProFootballTalk
Initial indications of the Tyron Smith deal: $6.5 million guaranteed with another $13.5 million to be earned based on playing time and other incentives. That’s why the Jets were surprised he took the offer.[/quote]

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The bears have traded Justin Fields to Pittsburgh and will take Caleb Williams number 1 per Adam S


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For a 2025 6th rounder.....

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Wow - didn’t see that coming. Guess they’re not sold on Russ. Or think Russ has a year or two left and can mentor Fields. Either way, Chicago going QB isn’t exactly a surprise.


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[quote=MTK;1360473]The Bears are either keeping Fields or their asking price is something ridiculous[/quote]


Looks like it was

C. Nobody wants him


It's hilarious how Sam Howell had more value in the NFL than did Justin Fields. Sam showed more upside/promise.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1360517]Looks like it was

C. Nobody wants him


It's hilarious how Sam Howell had more value in the NFL than did Justin Fields. Sam showed more upside/promise.[/quote]

Part of that is where Sam is in his rookie contract versus fields ; Sam has more value on that aspect

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1360518]Part of that is where Sam is in his rookie contract versus fields ; Sam has more value on that aspect[/QUOTE]And the Bears had no bargaining advantage in any trade, since they have the #1 overall pick and every one knows they are taking Caleb.

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Fields is going to steelers ...

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Already gone. So much for the LetRussCook gang..

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[quote=Ruhskins;1360520]And the Bears had no bargaining advantage in any trade, since they have the #1 overall pick and every one knows they are taking Caleb.

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very true

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if i'm washington i would trade the #2 pick to vikings for a haul .. it would look like this
minnesota gets washington 2024 1st round pick 2cnd overall ..
Washington receives Minnesota 2024 1st round pick 10th overall , 2024 1st round pick 23rd overall , 2024 2cnd round, 2025 1st round ..

would you do this ??

keep in mind it's going to be Maye or Daniels .. are they worth what we could get ..

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[quote=NC_Skins;1360517]Looks like it was

C. Nobody wants him


It's hilarious how Sam Howell had more value in the NFL than did Justin Fields. Sam showed more upside/promise.[/quote]

Fact: Sam Howell was more sought after than Justin Fields.

NFL talent evaluation told you this, not anybody’s opinion

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[quote=rocnrik;1360526]if i'm washington i would trade the #2 pick to vikings for a haul .. it would look like this
minnesota gets washington 2024 1st round pick 2cnd overall ..
Washington receives Minnesota 2024 1st round pick 10th overall , 2024 1st round pick 23rd overall , 2024 2cnd round, 2025 1st round ..

[B]would you do this ??[/B]

keep in mind it's going to be Maye or Daniels .. are they worth what we could get ..[/quote]

[COLOR="Red"][B][SIZE="4"]NO![/SIZE][/B][/COLOR] Because 1. Your haul example is too unrealistic to seriously contemplate and 2. Jayden Daniels will be better and even more exciting than RGIII was. I don't want to miss out on seeing JD play in a Washington uniform.

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i agree with you on that's more than you would expect.. but Would you do this if that's what they offered ???

and there have been more crazy deals done than this ..

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tyron smith probably was the best tackle in FA talent wise (but old and misses time to injuries). Guessing he took the deal because other people were probably offering 6-10 without 13m in incentives. It's not like Dallas is going to be able to pay him.

as far as trade down, i'd rather keep it simple - need QB, in position to take QB - take QB. There are just too many ways to outsmart yourself and end up holding the bag, and if that happens, the fanbase and media will kill you for it.

I mean, there's always a world where penix never gets injured again and outplays everyone else in the draft, but it's a lower % chance than JD5 looking nfl ready year 1. No one's going to destroy you for doing the groupthink higher % play (and it is more likely to work out).

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[quote=rocnrik;1360526]if i'm washington i would trade the #2 pick to vikings for a haul .. it would look like this
minnesota gets washington 2024 1st round pick 2cnd overall ..
Washington receives Minnesota 2024 1st round pick 10th overall , 2024 1st round pick 23rd overall , 2024 2cnd round, 2025 1st round ..

would you do this ??

keep in mind it's going to be Maye or Daniels .. are they worth what we could get ..[/quote]

I would love to d it. Bookend tackles in the first, bpa after.
I’m of the mind that the value received via trade far outweighs any of the top 3 QBs this year. Not sure any of them are NFL top tier quality. There is no Andrew Luck or Joe Burrow there, and I have questions whether Daniels can become Lamar. Therefore, take the haul.

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While it's true there is no Burrow or Luck in this draft this game is all about the QB and I highly doubt they will be picking 2nd anytime soon. So you have to take your shot when you get the opportunity and prey you got it right.

I've gone from Maye to Daniels after watching a number of Drake Maye games. He just does not look special, could very well bust and or top out at Derrick Carr. I say take a big swing on someone who could be great and to me that's Daniels more than Maye.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1360535]While it's true there is no Burrow or Luck in this draft this game is all about the QB and I highly doubt they will be picking 2nd anytime soon. So you have to take your shot when you get the opportunity and prey you got it right.

I've gone from Maye to Daniels after watching a number of Drake Maye games. He just does not look special, could very well bust and or top out at Derrick Carr. I say take a big swing on someone who could be great and to me that's Daniels more than Maye.[/quote]

I wouldn't say that.

Daniels had very similar numbers to Burrow and a similar background as well.

Caleb is considered a clear cut Game changing QB.

Maye is the ? out of the 3 but so were Herbert and Allen..

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[quote=rocnrik;1360530]i agree with you on that's more than you would expect.. but Would you do this if that's what they offered ???

and there have been more crazy deals done than this ..[/quote

[COLOR="red"][B][SIZE="3"]Yes[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]. It's too much for me to turn down. Even then I'd feel I had made a mistake if I wasn't able to land either Penix or McCarthy (I feel that Maye would be gone by #10).

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1360537][quote=rocnrik;1360530]i agree with you on that's more than you would expect.. but Would you do this if that's what they offered ???



and there have been more crazy deals done than this ..[/quote



[COLOR="red"][B][SIZE="3"]Yes[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]. It's too much for me to turn down. Even then I'd feel I had made a mistake if I wasn't able to land either Penix or McCarthy (I feel that Maye would be gone by #10).[/QUOTE]I feel like Maye, for whatever reason, is going to be the guy that drops way way down and people are going to be like Maye is still sitting in the Green Room Maye is still sitting in the Green Room

Crazy dream{?) scenario:
trade down to minnesota
take top tackle @ 10
take top de @ 23
Trade back into the first to 29 and take Maye

edit - Maye goes on to be legendary (since it's a crazy talk)

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[quote=rocnrik;1360526]if i'm washington i would trade the #2 pick to vikings for a haul .. it would look like this
minnesota gets washington 2024 1st round pick 2cnd overall ..
Washington receives Minnesota 2024 1st round pick 10th overall , 2024 1st round pick 23rd overall , 2024 2cnd round, 2025 1st round ..

would you do this ??

keep in mind it's going to be Maye or Daniels .. are they worth what we could get ..[/quote]

Vikings already traded their 24 2d round pick to move to 23 overall. Throw in the 26 1st and the 25 2d and I'd think about it. (figure we get the overall #1 next year as we wouldn't have a QB what is next years QBs looking like?).

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Bye bye Slye....

[quote]Ian Rapoport
#Commanders FA Kicker Joey Slye has signed a 1-year deal with the #Jaguars, source said. The latest FA to head to Jax...[/quote]

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The Saints are out of their minds...

[quote]Adam Schefter
Comp update: Free-agent DE Chase Young plans to sign a one-year, fully guaranteed $13 million deal with the New Orleans Saints, per sources.[/quote]

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best of luck to them. Honestly, he is one of the best DEs left, but, to be fair, there's not many FAs left. Is clowney asking for too much?

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1360593]The Saints are out of their minds...[/QUOTE]Does that mean San Fran will get a compensatory pick for Chase Young? that would tick me off.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1360593]The Saints are out of their minds...[/QUOTE]Chase must have the same agent as Cousins.

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What a downfall CY had.. He went from "GENERATIONAL" to JAG in a few years.. The NFL is no joke lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360650]What a downfall CY had.. He went from "GENERATIONAL" to JAG in a few years.. The NFL is no joke lol[/quote]

that is exactly why you don't trade up for CW; the hype is just hype it don't mean shit until you step on that NFL grass

CY was considered more of a home run then CW; he was the next great thing and produced poop

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[quote=mredskins;1360652]that is exactly why you don't trade up for CW; the hype is just hype it don't mean shit until you step on that NFL grass

CY was considered more of a home run then CW; he was the next great thing and produced poop[/quote]

It’s all about attitude, not their ability.
Young sucks because his attitude sucks. Now look at Williams, and you can predict the future. 🫣

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1360673]It’s all about attitude, not their ability.
Young sucks because his attitude sucks. Now look at Williams, and you can predict the future. 🫣[/quote]

CW i see the pre Madonna shit, CY i guess i never really saw it and he seemed to be a good teammate on the sidelines, i think he was a one move guy that worked very well at the college level then at the pro level he didn't progress

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1360610]Does that mean San Fran will get a compensatory pick for Chase Young? that would tick me off.

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If they do it would be low like a 6th/7th rounder - the formula is based on you letting free agents go vs. signing them. So if they signed someone of equal value it balances out.

The Vikings will probably get a 3rd rounder next year because Kirk signed that huge deal with the Falcons and the Vikings didn't spend nearly that much on anyone.

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[quote=mredskins;1360679]CW i see the pre Madonna shit, CY i guess i never really saw it and he seemed to be a good teammate on the sidelines, i think he was a one move guy that worked very well at the college level then at the pro level he didn't progress[/quote]

Regarding Young, he would never show up for mini camps. Never do the extra work on his craft or team building within the defense.
When asked why he didn’t/wouldn’t report for minicamps and such, his reply would be “I’m a business man baby”, alluding to outside team activities. In other words, he’s all about the bag, but not about the work.

Now we have Williams, who has already made public statements (and walked them back) about which teams he won’t play for, and he wants ownership stake in whoever drafts him. Couple that with immature public displays both on and off the field, (crying in his mama’s arms after a loss. Painted nails. Dress wearing. Etc. ) I personally don’t think he’s built to succeed in the NFL. In fact, he looks primed to flame out epically.

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Now CY is out with neck surgery; great signing NO

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Fuck CY, on his 3rd team already, talking about how he wanted a winning culture so that's why he signed in New Orleans, dude you were just on a SB team WTF are you talking about. Signs a contract and heads right to surgery, FFS.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360650]What a downfall CY had.. He went from "GENERATIONAL" to JAG in a few years.. The NFL is no joke lol[/quote]

Injuries are the great equalizer. He had a pretty significant one, he'll probably never be the same because of it.

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[quote=MTK;1360736]Injuries are the great equalizer. He had a pretty significant one, he'll probably never be the same because of it.[/quote]

I'm not sure if the injury is the only reason why Young didn't play well as he did in the rookie year. Someone (a 49ers fan) made a video that shows multiple clips where Young slacked off on some plays, there were even a couple of plays where he was only 2-3 feet away from the ball runners and yet he didn't run hard to tackle them, which ended up allowing the runners to make a huge gain or scored a TD.

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Chase Young is the guy at the gym ripping curls in front of the mirror for an hour a day. No motivation to actually be a really good football player. Lazy fucker.

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[quote=GridIron26;1360747]I'm not sure if the injury is the only reason why Young didn't play well as he did in the rookie year. Someone (a 49ers fan) made a video that shows multiple clips where Young slacked off on some plays, there were even a couple of plays where he was only 2-3 feet away from the ball runners and yet he didn't run hard to tackle them, which ended up allowing the runners to make a huge gain or scored a TD.[/quote]

Seems like in his rookie year he was always flying around. Perhaps the injury has him making more business decisions on the field than he did prior. He just hasn't been the same guy since then.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360749]Chase Young is the guy at the gym ripping curls in front of the mirror for an hour a day. No motivation to actually be a really good football player. [B]Lazy fucker[/B].[/quote]

Just about sums him up. :thumbsup: