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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Because Ramsey passed for more yards in the Bears game doesn't necessarily make him a better quarterback. We're not playing the EA Quarterback Challenge out there. If it was all about how far you can launch the football then, well then we'd be a perennial playoff team and firmly entrenched in the Jeff George era. There are plenty more intangibles involved then yards passing or how strong your arm is.[/QUOTE]Yea, like is the guy catching the ball on our team.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Because Ramsey passed for more yards in the Bears game doesn't necessarily make him a better quarterback. We're not playing the EA Quarterback Challenge out there. If it was all about how far you can launch the football then, well then we'd be a perennial playoff team and firmly entrenched in the Jeff George era. There are plenty more intangibles involved then yards passing or how strong your arm is.[/QUOTE]


That wasen't really the point, the point is Ramsey wasen't given a serious opportunity to prove he couldn't do it, and others demand proof that he could, what else can you really go off to prove that point except play between the 2 QB's in the same game.

Bottom line with our talent we should be sitting no less than 10-3 right now, we absolutly blew 3 games, we are 7-6 that is unacceptable with the talent on this team, good QB's win close games, Brunell does not, 13 games into the season and we need to rely on others to get into the playoffs, and you know what? We will probably get that help, but I also believe we will blow another game we should have won to seal our fate.

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[QUOTE=offiss]That wasen't really the point, the point is Ramsey wasen't given a serious opportunity to prove he couldn't do it, and others demand proof that he could, what else can you really go off to prove that point except play between the 2 QB's in the same game.[/QUOTE]

I know. You and your Ramsey Crips will probably eternally battle me any my Brunell Bloods over whether Ramsey's progress (or perhaps lack thereof) from the end of last season to the beginning of this season should be a factor. There are those of us that maintain that the offseason (minicamp, training camp, even preseason) counts and if you can't show that you're the clear cut better option during that time then it has to be addressed. And there are those that maintain that it's not fair to judge Ramsey unless he's given an extended number of games during the regular season when it actually counts. And didn't Ramsey have two turnovers in that first quarter against the Bears, compared to none the next three for Brunell?

Anyhow, the world keeps on spinning.

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[QUOTE=offiss]That wasen't really the point, the point is Ramsey wasen't given a serious opportunity to prove he couldn't do it, and others demand proof that he could, what else can you really go off to prove that point except play between the 2 QB's in the same game.[/QUOTE]

Nine games last season with 10 TDs to 11 INTs isn't exactly screaming "I can get the job done."

I like Ramsey. The kid's got heart, tough as nails, and he's probably going to be a solid #2 (ha...I said "solid #2") QB somewhere in this league. The fact of the matter is he's had 4 seasons, 2 coaches, 2 systems and more than enough opportunities to show he's not cut out to lead the team.

Clearly Gibbs isn't comfortable with Ramsey at #1 - do people honestly think that this has nothing to do with Gibbs' coaching ability and knowledge of the situation? Or do you really believe Gibbs is just unfair, vindictive and playing favorites with his good boy Brunell and it's all a conspiracy?

Come on folks, grow up.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I know. You and your Ramsey Crips will probably eternally battle me any my Brunell Bloods over whether Ramsey's progress (or perhaps lack thereof) from the end of last season to the beginning of this season should be a factor. There are those of us that maintain that the offseason (minicamp, training camp, even preseason) counts and if you can't show that you're the clear cut better option during that time then it has to be addressed. And there are those that maintain that it's not fair to judge Ramsey unless he's given an extended number of games during the regular season when it actually counts. And didn't Ramsey have two turnovers in that first quarter against the Bears, compared to none the next three for Brunell?

Anyhow, the world keeps on spinning.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and apparently according to Ramsey the reciever made the wrong read, Gibbs used the TO argument to replace Ramsey and one of the reasons Ramsey wanted out, we didn't hear Gibbs come out and back up Ramsey on that INT like he tried to do for Brunell last week, and I think we all can agree that the fumble was a cheap shot and should have been called.

The TO argument doesn't work for me when comparing the 2 QB's, Brunell turns the ball over as much or more than Ramsey, and his TO have been more devastating to the outcome of games, he's allowed the defense to score which Ramsey has not, Brunell is supposed to be a well seasoned veteran and should not be turning the ball over like he does, that was supposed to be a big reason why Gibbs likes veterans, well if he's going to turn it over like a youngster than what's the point, give the kid a try to see if he progresses, I just don't understand the stance that Ramsey would not have progressed and gotten better with more playing time? Matty stated that it really wasen't fair to compare what Ramsey did last season comparitivly because Gibbs had gotten things on track by the time Ramsey stepped in, are we sure it wasen't Ramsey who put things on track? Thats a big coincidence, that same argument can be used this season for Ramsey, is it fair to say that Ramsey would have become even better than Brunell this season as the offensive players around him progressed as well?

Don't get me wrong I don't want to see Ramsey replace Brunell at this point in the season, this is Brunells baby let him finish it, I just think at the end of this season there will be no playoffs, and a lot of unanswered questions at QB, one of which will be what to do with an ageing QB? Do we play Campbell on a team that by year 3 is ready to take the next step? Do we go back to Brunell another year older who has proven nothing in 2 seasons? Or do we go with Ramsey who probably could care less what's promised him in the offseason, and can't get out of town fast enough?

I think we have a big problem against the Boy's come sunday.

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I'd forgotten about that cheap shot. You're right about that one. I didn't realize it was Ramsey that said the receiver ran the wrong route. Don't how I feel about him calling out a teammate like that. According to most people, Cooley made the wrong read on the second INT against the Cardinals but I don't recall Brunell calling him out in public on that.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'd forgotten about that cheap shot. You're right about that one. I didn't realize it was Ramsey that said the receiver ran the wrong route. Don't how I feel about him calling out a teammate like that. According to most people, Cooley made the wrong read on the second INT against the Cardinals but I don't recall Brunell calling him out in public on that.[/QUOTE]


Actually my bad as well, it was one of the players who came out and said the WR ran the wrong route, in fact it may have been Cooley who said it, I believe it was Patten who ran the wrong way but not sure, but that was the reason Ramsey was apparently irate, because Gibbs hung him out to dry and used it as an excuse to put in Brunell, that's kind of why I posted in another thread that ramsey had to be ready to explode when he heard Gibbs defending Brunell's INT because a reciever made the wrong read.

If all that is true, I know I would be fumming at the favortism shown for Brunell, compared to how unfairly I was treated under the same circumstances, but that's just me.

Ramsey from what I can remember never called out anyone in public to his credit, I believe it was his teammates who tried to stick up for him and clarify what happened on that INT, most of what any of us heard was second hand pertaining to that situation.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Actually my bad as well, it was one of the players who came out and said the WR ran the wrong route, in fact it may have been Cooley who said it, I believe it was Patten who ran the wrong way but not sure, but that was the reason Ramsey was apparently irate, because Gibbs hung him out to dry and used it as an excuse to put in Brunell, that's kind of why I posted in another thread that ramsey had to be ready to explode when he heard Gibbs defending Brunell's INT because a reciever made the wrong read.

If all that is true, I know I would be fumming at the favortism shown for Brunell, compared to how unfairly I was treated under the same circumstances, but that's just me.

Ramsey from what I can remember never called out anyone in public to his credit, I believe it was his teammates who tried to stick up for him and clarify what happened on that INT, most of what any of us heard was second hand pertaining to that situation.[/QUOTE]
and its not like brunell got replaced from the interception

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[QUOTE=offiss]Actually my bad as well, it was one of the players who came out and said the WR ran the wrong route, in fact it may have been Cooley who said it, I believe it was Patten who ran the wrong way but not sure, but that was the reason Ramsey was apparently irate, because Gibbs hung him out to dry and used it as an excuse to put in Brunell, that's kind of why I posted in another thread that ramsey had to be ready to explode when he heard Gibbs defending Brunell's INT because a reciever made the wrong read.

If all that is true, I know I would be fumming at the favortism shown for Brunell, compared to how unfairly I was treated under the same circumstances, but that's just me.

Ramsey from what I can remember never called out anyone in public to his credit, I believe it was his teammates who tried to stick up for him and clarify what happened on that INT, most of what any of us heard was second hand pertaining to that situation.[/QUOTE]

Ok. I was going to say it'd be pretty hard to support Ramsey if he went TO on us and started blaming other players in public. And it would be very unlike him as well.

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i was calling for Brunell's head at the beginning of the season, but the thought of benching him healthy is utterly absurd at this point, why are people STILL talking about it? if he's hurt, bench him, we all know what an *injured* Brunell is capable of..2004.

it's not Brunell's arm that's got us here, we all know Ramsey has a much higher caliber gun, it's Brunell's LEGS.

Brunell getting out of trouble is what has made this year possible, i think thats clear (and would explain why a leg injury made him suck so hard last year). the age of the gun armed pocket passer is dying in this league (unless you have a horseshoe on your helmet), our division especially and i think Gibbs sees that. hence the Jason Campbell pick.

Bless Ramsey, his arm, and his toughness, dude's fearless - but he's a piss poor improviser, and when that speed rusher inevitably gets loose - the play breaks down and it's INT city. he may not throw the laser, but Brunell squirms away and keeps a level head as that NFC East heat comes.

i thought with Jansen back and Rabach our O-Line would support a steady pocket passer but that just hasn't been the case. rushers always get through and 210lb Portis has had to come up and be a key pass blocker for this offense. i dont know if its our OLine or that it's just a different NFL, but it's all about the blitz and Brunell has been elusive and coherent enough to thrive on that.

regardless, it's just not Ramsey's team this season - and we're way way too far in it to be changing up such a big piece of the formula. only if we have to, and looks like we don't - (except maybe getting Sellers in instead of Royal :cool: )

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I agree with the majority that Brunell should not be replaced now. But, I don't think it is absolutely crazy to broach the topic. As the WP pointed out, Brunell has had 4 TDs to 6 INTs in the last 7 games. Plus, our passing game has really faltered lately.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Fans love a scapegoat. Plus it's easy to single players out rather than look at the big picture. The QB is the easiest player to single out and the most convenient scapegoat.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you here. But, why is it then that in assessing Ramsey people look at his W-L record as evidence that he stinks? Apparently, according to Brunell fans, when our offense was suffering with Ramsey under center, it was all on Ramsey. And, when Brunell came in and our offense suffers people say, "it's the o-line" or "it's the wideouts."

The same can be said of Ramsey fans. When the offense is suffering when Brunell is in, it's all on Brunell.

I see so many people make excuses for both quarterbacks. Frankly, I'm tired of listening to people make this issue black and white, right and wrong....(i.e. Ramsey is the worst QB ever and Brunell is a God and vice-a-versa).

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[QUOTE=offiss]
Do you deny that Ramsey outplayed Brunell last season under the same circumstances? Do you deny he threw for more yards in 1 quarter against the Bears this season than Brunell did in 3? Do YOU know for sure that Ramsey wouldn't be better than Brunell? Do you believe if Ramsey goes to a team like the Dolphins, Bucs, Bears, Boy's, next season he will fail? Because I believe where ever he is next year excluding us, he will succeed, but that is my opinion at this point, and only time will tell if I am right, or wrong on the evaluation.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't the same circumstances, Offiss. In what ways was it the same circumstance to you? What does the passing yards have to do with anything? You see, this is what I am trying to make you understand. You're going on what ifs and maybes, I am looking at this, strictly, from facts I've seen on the playing field. What if Heath Shuler stayed in another year? What if Joe Theismann had never broken his leg? What ifs don't mean anything to me Offiss. That is why when I focus on this Brunell/Ramsey debate, I look at our current situation as it stands right now, not what it COULD or COULD NOT be. That present situation has us in the playoff hunt and currently with a 7-6 record. Could we have a better record? Maybe or maybe not. Then again, it doesn't matter what we COULD or COULD NOT have, it's what we have right now, and 7-6 gives us a chance. 10-6 would get us in and if it didn't, 10-6 is a huge turn around from 6-10, so that means that Joe Gibbs and company is apparently doing something right.


[QUOTE=Offiss]
Take a long look at what happened in both Giant games last season, under brunell we lose, under ramsey we crushed them, I do know circumstances can dictate wins and loses and they don't alway's tell the whole story, but we lose with Brunell, and crush them with Ramsey, that may be the strongest argument for ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Again, that was a different circumstance Offiss. Number one, that was last year. In this day and age of the NFL, teams can stink one year, and be Super Bowl champions the next (i.e. Rams, Bucs, Ravens, etc....) That Giants team last year didn't have the defense like it has this year. Thirdly, Eli Manning was a rookie last year. This year he came in having a year under his belt, and nobody saw him improving as vastly as he has this season. Lastly, in that first meeting with the Giants, Ramsey came in a threw at least three INTs, so I would say he was also guilty in the loss with the Giants - along with the REST OF THE TEAM. Again, you fail to see the fact that football is a team sport. Although the quarterback is hailed as the "driver" of the offense, he is just one player. It takes all the talent around him to make it work. We won in the past under Gibbs with less talented quarterbacks, because the team around the qb was built up to the best standard. That is why I have said, this team still lacks the ingredients to push it over the edge and become a great team. It's more than the quarterback position. Only amateurs blame wins and losses on the quarterback and coach alone, because it's easy to simply blame them.

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Let's quit name-calling.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy] Only amateurs blame wins and losses on the quarterback and coach alone, because it's easy to simply blame them.[/QUOTE]

I agree that a team's record reflects more on a team than a QB's play or a coach's coaching, but those two things have a lot to do with how a team fares. And, for the record, I guve Brunell and Gibbs a lot of credit for where we are.

You yourself pointed our that we're 7-6 and Gibbs should be given credit for that. Well, if Gibbs' is given credit for W's shouldn't he get some blame for L's?

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Let's quit name-calling.[/QUOTE]

What name-calling? Go back and reread my post, you're mistaken.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I agree that a team's record reflects more on a team than a QB's play or a coach's coaching, but those two things have a lot to do with how a team fares. And, for the record, I guve Brunell and Gibbs a lot of credit for where we are.

You yourself pointed our that we're 7-6 and Gibbs should be given credit for that. Well, if Gibbs' is given credit for W's shouldn't he get some blame for L's?[/QUOTE]

Of course, the coach should be blamed when it is his fault. There is also a time when it is the players' fault because of execution. Both are facts. But, that isn't the point I am trying to make Ramseyfan. The point I'm making is, with us being 7-6 and on a two game winning streak, there is no proof that Ramsey should replace Brunell. In situations like this, you're better off with the well experienced veteran in at QB.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Of course, the coach should be blamed when it is his fault. There is also a time when it is the players' fault because of execution. Both are facts. But, that isn't the point I am trying to make Ramseyfan. The point I'm making is, with us being 7-6 and on a two game winning streak, there is no proof that Ramsey should replace Brunell. In situations like this, you're better off with the well experienced veteran in at QB.[/QUOTE]

Okay. Well, I agree with that. Brunell is our QB and we're definately in the playoff hunt. We shouldn't change horses midstream.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]What name-calling? Go back and reread my post, you're mistaken.[/QUOTE]

I know you didn't call anyone out by name, I was simply referring to the "only amatuers" part of the post. Nothing serious, I should've phased my post better. I was just trying to prevent f-bombs and like from being thrown out.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I know you didn't call anyone out by name, I was simply referring to the "only amatuers" part of the post. Nothing serious, I should've phased my post better. I was just trying to prevent f-bombs and like from being thrown out.[/QUOTE]

Oh okay, I was wondering. No need to worry about the f-bombs from me.....I never use that type of language. :food-smil

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I'll try to cut back on the f-bombs but you put in these nice **** things

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]It wasn't the same circumstances, Offiss. In what ways was it the same circumstance to you? What does the passing yards have to do with anything? You see, this is what I am trying to make you understand. You're going on what ifs and maybes, I am looking at this, strictly, from facts I've seen on the playing field. What if Heath Shuler stayed in another year? What if Joe Theismann had never broken his leg? What ifs don't mean anything to me Offiss. That is why when I focus on this Brunell/Ramsey debate, I look at our current situation as it stands right now, not what it COULD or COULD NOT be. That present situation has us in the playoff hunt and currently with a 7-6 record. Could we have a better record? Maybe or maybe not. Then again, it doesn't matter what we COULD or COULD NOT have, it's what we have right now, and 7-6 gives us a chance. 10-6 would get us in and if it didn't, 10-6 is a huge turn around from 6-10, so that means that Joe Gibbs and company is apparently doing something right.




Again, that was a different circumstance Offiss. Number one, that was last year. In this day and age of the NFL, teams can stink one year, and be Super Bowl champions the next (i.e. Rams, Bucs, Ravens, etc....) That Giants team last year didn't have the defense like it has this year. Thirdly, Eli Manning was a rookie last year. This year he came in having a year under his belt, and nobody saw him improving as vastly as he has this season. Lastly, in that first meeting with the Giants, Ramsey came in a threw at least three INTs, so I would say he was also guilty in the loss with the Giants - along with the REST OF THE TEAM. Again, you fail to see the fact that football is a team sport. Although the quarterback is hailed as the "driver" of the offense, he is just one player. It takes all the talent around him to make it work. We won in the past under Gibbs with less talented quarterbacks, because the team around the qb was built up to the best standard. That is why I have said, this team still lacks the ingredients to push it over the edge and become a great team. It's more than the quarterback position. Only amateurs blame wins and losses on the quarterback and coach alone, because it's easy to simply blame them.[/QUOTE]


OK, for the last time, I really don't know how else to help you comprehend this because it seems to me your really not paying attention to what has been written. Now, how do you figure that 2 different QB's playing in the same offense, in the same season is different circumstances as far as a comparison between the 2??????? How do you figure that the same 2 QB's in the same game, [bears] with the same personel, is different circumstances????

Oh and by the way Ramsey faced the tougher defenses last season!

That's funny how many SB's did Jay Schroeder win? Kind of ironic we won a SB after Gibbs yanked him. SAME CIRCUMSTANCES, same season, tell us who's fault was it that Gibbs had to make that change and why? I will tell you, Scroeders he wasen't getting the job done so he got the hook, the team was getting the job done but Jay wasen't, Did you know that Rypien was getting his walking papers if he didn't win the SB in 91' it was do or die, apparently the coach felt the team had been good enough to win but Rypiens inconsistancy was holding us back. There is a reason the QB is the highest drafted player every year as well as the highest paid player, he is the difference maker, and if he ain't? Get rid of him, and so far Brunell has not been a difference maker, we blew 3 games we had no buisness losing, he couldn't get 1 lowsey first down and seal those victories late in the game.

Yes only an amateur would believe that a QB and coach are not the 2 most important pieces to a football team, especially one who is acting GM, It's the QB's job to make plays, if your team is so good ala the Ravens a few years ago that you don't need a great QB then fine, don't give up the farm for 2 QB's in Brunell and Campbell, spend that money on players and draft picks to build a team that is not reliant on it's QB to win games for them.

I am curios what pieces to the puzzle do you think we need? Stick with the offensive side of the ball the defense has more than held it's own.

As far as I am concerned we have had the pieces, if you believe as many here do that our O-line coming into the season was maybe one of the best in the NFL, We have a bonified game breaker at WR in Moss, and I don't want to hear the Patten injury is hurting us Because we were losing before he was hurt, plenty of teams pass the ball very well and don't have any stars at WR, then you can add into the mix a 50 mil$ back in Portis who is already on his way to canton, so who's fault is it?


I guess I am to believe that the Raiders, Bucs, are more talented than us, or Simms and Collins are both better QB's than Brunell?



And try to follow along as I explain the giant scenerio for you, yes Brunell went out in the first game against the Giants, he dug us a big hole and did absolutly nothing on offense, Ramsey came in and was going up and down the field when the giants new we had to throw and if Gardner didn't drop an easy 5 yard TD Ramsey would have tied the game and wouldn't have had a 3rd INT, all the while not practicing with the first team in a new system, it was that game that everyone saw how our offense moved with ramsey in there and many started to change their minds about Brunell, ironic that Ramsey with some time under his belt blew out the Giants the second go round, Brunell was lucky to get a firstdown against the G-men.

You might want to decide who's fault it is that we sit a 7-6 because we have as much overall talent as anyone in the NFC.


No one saw Eli progressing so fast? What are you talking about? The Giants obviously did, and yes take a good look at what is called progrssion as a QB, add Big Ben to that mix as well, yes QB's who have an organazation committed to them can get better, it does happen, except if your name is Patrick Ramsey, then there is no way to progress, reagardless [as you have said SKINSGUY] whether or not he had a good team around him, yes Brunell fails and we have no talent around him, Ramsey doesn't recieve an opportunity to play with a better team this season and he's a failure and could never get better.

I will say it for the last time, Ramsey last season outplayed Brunell with the same team around him that Brunell had, and yes Ramsey had to face the eagles defense twice, and the steelers once, which were tougher than anything Brunell faced. That is why gibbs named him the starter for this season. Do you believe for one minute that if Brunell had outplayed Ramsey last season that Gibbs would have still given the job to Ramsey? Never happen. I now will sit back and allow this situation to unfold and wait till next season to see which QB does what, this argument is really fruitless so long as Ramsey is riding the pine. When ramsey finally gets a chance to play somewhere else [and rest assured he will] we will then know the answer to this controversy.

Lets just agree to disagree!

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[QUOTE=offiss]

Lets just agree to disagree![/QUOTE]

This about the smartest thing you said out of all that incoherent rambling.

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DAMN right!!!! Lets replace that worthless bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW Can this F...... absurdity be put to bed FINALLY ?????????????

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[QUOTE=Hog1]DAMN right!!!! Lets replace that worthless bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW Can this F...... absurdity be put to bed FINALLY ?????????????[/QUOTE]

yeah he's a bum, get rid of him already.

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You continue to baffle me. :confused:

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At this time last year, 9 out of 10 people you asked would say that Brunell's career (and a good one at that) was done.

Now he's just one TD pass away from the most he's ever thrown in a season (20). Great job MB!

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This was by far the dumbest thread of all. I hope after the Cowgirl thrashing we can put to bed the Brunnel bashing. The guy is what he is. He controls the offense and gets the job done. It's not flashy but its winning football.

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Just goes to show you, you can't judge a quarterback's greatness only on the strength of his arm. There is so much more to a quarterback who is not only good, but one that is a true leader. Mark Brunell is a good quarterback AND a true leader. That is why he is starting. He's not the best quarterback in the league, but he's getting the job done for us.

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Who thinks we should replace Brunell now?!?!?

I kind of like those sub-200 yards days when he throws 4 TDs!!!!!!!!

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I think we can put this debate to rest for now.

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His timing definitely improved as the night progressed. You can't argue he looked a bit rusty on the first couple of drives (the flea flicker and a couple of other passes were just flat out off). However, he was very efficient and that bomb to Moss was unbelievable. Talk about knowing your receivers! He knew Moss wasn't running flat out and put the ball right where it needed to be for Moss to make an outstanding grab. Also, waiting for a better lane for Cooley knowing Cooley would run it out was a very nice play.

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It's funny. On the first drive, there was a play where Moss had the entire secondary beat, and Brunell double clutched it and threw short. My dad was still talking about it on the way home.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I think we can put this debate to rest for now.[/QUOTE]

But he ONLY had 163 yards and ONLY [u][b]4[/b][/u] touchdowns! That's just not cutting it if you ask me!!! (sarcasm)

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]But he ONLY had 163 yards and ONLY [u][b]4[/b][/u] touchdowns! That's just not cutting it if you ask me!!! (sarcasm)[/QUOTE]

And Brunnel never seems to impersonate P. Manning at the line, by calling fake signals, and jerking his head around, and making meaninless hand signals. (sarcasm)

:dallas: :dallas:

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This is a dumb thread, and I think the main problem are the fans that are quick to doubt our QB's, so every year we have a QB controversy. Yes we all thought Brunell was done for last year, but apparently not, so let the man play and stop bitching just because we lose a game. Good teams in the NFL stick with one QB throughout his ups and downs, and Coach Gibbs was right, Brunell is our man as of now. So if anything, us fans should stop doubting the QB's in our town, and end this stupid thread, Brunell is our QB until this year ends.

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[QUOTE=hooskins]This is a dumb thread, and I think the main problem are the fans that are quick to doubt our QB's, so every year we have a QB controversy. Yes we all thought Brunell was done for last year, but apparently not, so let the man play and stop bitching just because we lose a game. Good teams in the NFL stick with one QB throughout his ups and downs, and Coach Gibbs was right, Brunell is our man as of now. So if anything, us fans should stop doubting the QB's in our town, and end this stupid thread, Brunell is our QB until this year ends.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

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I do wish he would just throw it up to Moss more often. He catches every deep pass thrown his way.

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[QUOTE=skindogger47]I do wish he would just throw it up to Moss more often. He catches every deep pass thrown his way.[/QUOTE]

That's not his fault, that falls on the offensive playcalling, not Brunell.

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Santana Moss ladies and gentleman.

we lucked out so good, frickin' Steal of the Century