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[quote=saden1;652031]Most states force you to buy liability insurance if you own a car. Some states like VA allow you to not have liability insurance but they indirectly force you to have it by instituting an annual Uninsured Motor Vehicle fee of $500. Now when presented with this option any sane person would say to themselves why pay $500 and take on liability of damages done to another car when you can take that $500, add a few more bucks and get insurance for your car? UMV fee is a gimmick and a barrier for people who want to not insure their car...it's a soft individual mandate if you will.

Anywho, these lawsuits are a wast of tax payer money and merely serve as political grandstanding. No court will reject the individual mandate as that will open the floodgates for other lawsuits into Social Security and Medicare program. Precedent means something in court folks.[/quote]
Open that dam flood gate so I can get my [EMAIL="F$@#ing"]F$@#ing[/EMAIL] money back from SS and put in into a real retirment plan with a real rate of return.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;652018][url=http://www.autoinsuranceremedy.com/maryland-auto-insurance.php]Maryland’s Auto Insurance Rules and Regulations[/url]


I would say that is the government forcing you to IF you choose to register a car.
don't know how you opt out of the health care plan, choose not to live??? so the point is valid for health insurance, even it is not for car insurance.[/quote]

Same concept, and it is familliar to the American public. If you don't want to buy health insurance you must pay a fine. That's what Glenn Beck means by forcing you to buy health insurance. you don't have to, but you must pay a fine. Hospitals can't turn you away, costs are so high because the paying folks have to make up for the folks who dont' pay. If they pay something it will help tremendously.

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Hold up!!! Everybody calm down and form a single file line at the gun store. Now don't you that feel better you done something. Take a picture, NOW!!! you look just like Washington crossing the Potomac, don't forget your golf clubs Fellas.

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[quote=firstdown;652043]Open that dam flood gate so I can get my [EMAIL="F$@#ing"]F$@#ing[/EMAIL] money back from SS and put in into a real retirment plan with a real rate of return.[/quote]


You don't want them flood gates open. SS is alot less cheaper than the private army you will have to hire to protect your most prized possesions. don't call the national guard you got all the money and all the guns, you the new Ceasar.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;652132]You don't want them flood gates open. SS is alot less cheaper than the private army you will have to hire to protect your most prized possesions. don't call the national guard you got all the money and all the guns, you the new Ceasar.[/quote]
I think you might want to stick to the I'm Drunk Thread.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;651955]Bush's [B]deficit causing tax cuts [/B]passed through during secret reconciliaiton meetings. Was it unconstituional then? sorry precident has been set. Ask Mccain, he warned the Republicans back then. so don't cry now cause you set your own self up. By the way, the government forces me to pay car insurance. Is that unconstitutional?[/quote]

Cutting taxes has been proven OVER AND OVER that they help the economy. The economy was booming just a couple of years after 09/11, thanks to tax cuts. They help people not only have more money in their pockets, but also allow employers to hire more people.

This is why we had 4%, almost non-existent unemployment then, and now when you factor in people who have given up looking for jobs, we have 18%.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;651965]Okay my fault, just the police force you to have car insurance. It's my car I don't want insurance.[/quote]

You can't compare health insurance to car insurance. Medical insurance is to protect yourself. It's a personal choice. Auto insurance is to protect the person you hit, not yourself unless you choose to pay more to cover yourself. Car insurance as a mandate makes sense to protect EVERYONE, but if you want to pay for your medical expenses out of your own pocket, that's your prerogative.

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The problem is if they force the ins. co. to take evrybody regardless of their health condition they also have to either force people to buy ins or force them to pay any and all of the health bills. If they did not force people to buy ins. but force th ins. co to take everyone people that don't give a dam would just wait until they get sick then buy ins. Now they only drain the system and do not really ever pay into the system. You could tell them fine you don't have to buy ins. but if anything happens then you must pay all bills and even if you file bank ruptcy you still have to pay your medical bills. I'm actually torn on this issue because I don't like the goverment forcing people to buy ins. but I also know the uninsured put a drain on the system.

As much as I hate to say this I think the only choice is to force people to buy coverage unless they can show that they are able to pay any health cost they may incure. The problems we are going to see is that these new mandates on the ins. co. will drive up cost and there is no way around that. Maybe after everyone is in the system the newer healthy customer might off set the new customers with health issues. Another issue I have is we will see people who can aford those new cars but some how get the goverment to pay a portion of their ins which will happen. Its the same thing with just about all social programs is that you will have people milking the system for everything they can and thats what ticks me off. You also have dumb a$$ goverment workers who don't care and allow this to happen.

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[quote=Buster;652427]Cutting taxes has been proven OVER AND OVER that they help the economy. The economy was booming just a couple of years after 09/11, thanks to tax cuts. They help people not only have more money in their pockets, but also allow employers to hire more people.

This is why we had 4%, almost non-existent unemployment then, and now when you factor in people who have given up looking for jobs, we have 18%.[/quote]

BUSTER I am from [B]South Carolina [/B]. I know for a fact tax cuts don't help the economy or create jobs. That traditional values do not improve quality of life. Legalizing guns don't get any criminals shot by civillians. South Carolina is in pitiful shape and is a conservative heaven. Run by Republicans from start to finish. From top to bottom. South Carolina is the poster child of the Democrats.

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[quote=Buster;652427]Cutting taxes has been proven OVER AND OVER that they help the economy. The economy was booming just a couple of years after 09/11, thanks to tax cuts. They help people not only have more money in their pockets, but also allow employers to hire more people.

This is why we had 4%, almost non-existent unemployment then, and now when you factor in people who have given up looking for jobs, we have 18%.[/quote]

BUSTER!! [B]news flash[/B]. Bush's tax cuts have not been repealed. unemployment went sky high under Bush's watch. Bush had to come on TV and beg for 700 Million dollars to save millionaires.

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[quote=Buster;652430]You can't compare health insurance to car insurance. Medical insurance is to protect yourself. It's a personal choice. Auto insurance is to protect the person you hit, not yourself unless you choose to pay more to cover yourself. Car insurance as a mandate makes sense to protect EVERYONE, but if you want to pay for your medical expenses out of your own pocket, that's your prerogative.[/quote]

[B]Not comparing health insurance to car insurance.[/B] Displaying a precedent of why mandating health insurane is constitutional. The concept of government mandating insurance on people and fining them if they don't comply, is not a foreign concept, so you can pretend it is if it makes you feel better. It is consitutional. What's unconstituinoal is DC not being a state. Ooops that would be two more democratic senators, is this a case of politics over the constitution? Also, I was giving the reasons why health insurance should be mandated.

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[quote=Buster;652430]You can't compare health insurance to car insurance. Medical insurance is to protect yourself. It's a personal choice. Auto insurance is to protect the person you hit, not yourself unless you choose to pay more to cover yourself. Car insurance as a mandate makes sense to protect EVERYONE, but if you want to pay for your medical expenses out of your own pocket, that's your prerogative.[/quote]

By using this reasoning, it makes more sense to mandate health insurance than car insurance. Have a wreck, no insurance, lose your car, and maybe injure your passenger or other drivers: worse case - no one can pay their doctor bills. Catch Ebola and can't pay your doctor bills worse case - you kill the whole country. More likely, the hospital cures you for free, but because you can't pay everyone else's doctor bills go sky high.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;652479][B]Not comparing health insurance to car insurance.[/B] Displaying a precedent of why mandating health insurane is constitutional. The concept of government mandating insurance on people and fining them if they don't comply, is not a foreign concept, so you can pretend it is if it makes you feel better. It is consitutional. [B]What's unconstituinoal is DC not being a state.[/B] Ooops that would be two more democratic senators, is this a case of politics over the constitution? Also, I was giving the reasons why health insurance should be mandated.[/quote]

This is where emotions override fact. DC not being a state is unfair, silly, and undemocratic. It is not "unconstitutional"
Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution -
[quote]Section 8


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
...
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States,[/quote]

This was instituted for a specific reason, so that no state or states could hold the government of the US hostage by their own militia. At this point in history maybe it makes sense to change that, but DC Statehood was specifically prohibited for several politically correct reasons back then.

besides where would a 51st star go ... geez

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;652483][B]By using this reasoning, it makes more sense to mandate health insurance than car insurance.[/B] Have a wreck, no insurance, lose your car, and maybe injure your passenger or other drivers: worse case - no one can pay their doctor bills. Catch Ebola and can't pay your doctor bills worse case - you kill the whole country. More likely, the hospital cures you for free, but because you can't pay everyone else's doctor bills go sky high.[/quote]

Your brain is functioning incorrectly, you should see a doctor. ;)

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;652471]BUSTER!! [B]news flash[/B]. Bush's tax cuts have not been repealed. unemployment went sky high under Bush's watch. Bush had to come on TV and beg for 700 Million dollars to save millionaires.[/quote]

The numbers spiked when the Democrats overwhelmingly took over Congress. In fact, the economy's first signs of weakness came when the balance of power shifted into the Democrat's favor. (a similar coincidence happened in the 1930s)

Tax cuts had nothing to do with the downturn, it had more to do with the housing scandals with Freddie/Fannie, also known as Barney Frank (D) /Chris Dodd (D).




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