Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1130187]This. It is, essentially, what I have been saying all along. What you see is what you get.[/QUOTE]


Is what we see this year what we saw last? Not imo. So I will respectfully disagree that he has reach his ceiling, which is what I believe you are saying.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

IF Kirk is not a bright spot on roster how the heck did he win NFC player of week not once but twice..what other redskin player has done that?? What is a ELITE QB anyway? does that mean you can put that guy on any team and he takes them all the way? does the team around the QB make him elite or not..does the coach or system have anything to do with that ELITE status? please tell us!! Are you saying that Brady could come in here with this staff and system and win us 10 games every year? How do you explain all the other so called elite QB's that have fallen on hard times lately..ROGERS,WILSON,LUCK..OH they are not elite anymore because they are not winning..Let me get this straight and help me out.IF your TEAM wins you are considered an ELITE QB if your TEAM struggles you are not..the common theme is the word TEAM..someday some of you will understand this concept .

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

rocnrik, great. Won NFC player of the week twice. Yay. However, bottom line, to date, he has roughly as many INT's and fumbles as TD passes. Just off the top of my head, an elite QB has about a 3:1 / TD:TO ratio. A good QB a 2:1 ratio. An average QB has about a 1:1 ratio.

I am not going to repeat past arguments about KC and his ceiling. Nothing this year has changed my perception of him as being consistently inconsistent. I believe he has reached his ceiling. He can win with a good team around him and when he hits on most cylinders.

If he puts a string of six games in a row with a 2:1 or better TD/TO ratio, I will be convinced he has taken a step. I fully expect, however, that he will continue his ~ 1:1 ratio.

Kirk's TD/TO ratio were:

2012 - 4/4 (3 games; 3 INT's)
2013 - 4/10 (5 games; 7 INT's)
2014 - 10/11 (6 games; 9 INT's)
2015 - 15/13 (11 games; 10 INT's)

Teams can win with numbers like these, but not consistently. To me, and to be a better than average QB, over the long run you have to score twice as much as you turn the ball over.

Again, I still believe he is the best option at this point and likely next year.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

I waited before playing the kc hater role but he got lucky we didn't start off with a pick six.

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Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1130677]I waited before playing the kc hater role but he got lucky we didn't start off with a pick six.

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Yes, it's scary when he throws the out route. BTW, we won the game.

You're not playing the role of a Kirk hater; you are a bonafide Kirk hater. As Roseanne Roseanneadanna used to say, "It's always something" with you guys.

Hatters gonna hat.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=ki skins fan;1130681]yes, it's scary when he throws the out route. Btw, we won the game.





You're not playing the role of a kirk hater; you are a bonafide kirk hater. As roseanne roseanneadanna used to say, "it's always something" with you guys.





Hatters gonna hat.[/quote]



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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1130681]Yes, it's scary when he throws the out route. BTW, we won the game.

You're not playing the role of a Kirk hater; you are a bonafide Kirk hater. As Roseanne Roseanneadanna used to say, "It's always something" with you guys.

Hatters gonna hat.[/QUOTE]
I am playing a role. I would like to see them sign KC (said this elsewhere here) to a 4 year 70 to 80 million contract with the 16mill guaranteed that RG was gonna get. But I also think it's reasonable to point out his weaknesses. And if that was a pick 6 I think there was a strong chance bad kirk finishes the game.

By the way we won by 6. Guess what a pick six is worth.

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Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1130210]rocnrik, great. Won NFC player of the week twice. Yay. However, bottom line, to date, he has roughly as many INT's and fumbles as TD passes. Just off the top of my head, an elite QB has about a 3:1 / TD:TO ratio. A good QB a 2:1 ratio. An average QB has about a 1:1 ratio.

I am not going to repeat past arguments about KC and his ceiling. Nothing this year has changed my perception of him as being consistently inconsistent. I believe he has reached his ceiling. He can win with a good team around him and when he hits on most cylinders.

If he puts a string of six games in a row with a 2:1 or better TD/TO ratio, I will be convinced he has taken a step. I fully expect, however, that he will continue his ~ 1:1 ratio.

Kirk's TD/TO ratio were:

2012 - 4/4 (3 games; 3 INT's)
2013 - 4/10 (5 games; 7 INT's)
2014 - 10/11 (6 games; 9 INT's)
2015 - 15/13 (11 games; 10 INT's)

Teams can win with numbers like these, but not consistently. To me, and to be a better than average QB, over the long run you have to score twice as much as you turn the ball over.

Again, I still believe he is the best option at this point and likely next year.[/quote]

Allow me to cherry-pick my own stats. In the first 6 games of this year, Kirk threw 6 TD passes and 8 INT's. In the last 5 games, Kirk threw 10 TD's and 2 INT's. Only 3 of his 7 fumbles were lost. There's a trend for you to consider.

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How is that elite QB working out for Giants? and he has the best WR in the game or at least the best hands! even Eli can't make up for that mess they have..Look at Brees in N.O. he should get out of there. Granted Cousins threw that one bad out pass and got lucky but he still played very good ..I was more upset at play calling in the second half. Gruden does not want to put the game in Kirks hands..that is obvious! but we won and if the team continues to play with that type of spirit I don't see why we can't win the East.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1130686]Allow me to cherry-pick my own stats. In the first 6 games of this year, Kirk threw 6 TD passes and 8 INT's. In the last 5 games, Kirk threw 10 TD's and 2 INT's. Only 3 of his 7 fumbles were lost. There's a trend for you to consider.[/quote]

Exactly numbers are trending in the right direction. Some people will not be satisfied even if he were to win MVP

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1130685]I am playing a role. I would like to see them sign KC (said this elsewhere here) to a 4 year 70 to 80 million contract with the 16mill guaranteed that RG was gonna get. But I also think it's reasonable to point out his weaknesses. And if that was a pick 6 I think there was a strong chance bad kirk finishes the game.

By the way we won by 6. Guess what a pick six is worth.

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OK, you're not a hater. I apologize for trying to brand you.

Concerning the out route: Kirk sucks on the out route. I cringe whenever he throws it. He needs to improve on that throw.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

I'm firmly on Kirk's side now, I think we can definitely move forward with him as our QB.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1130692]I'm firmly on Kirk's side now, I think we can definitely move forward with him as our QB.[/QUOTE]



We got one!! Can you now change your poll pick to "Superstar in the making".. 😊

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=MTK;1130692]I'm firmly on Kirk's side now, I think we can definitely move forward with him as our QB.[/quote]
Dude this all I can think of when i see your new user name

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