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It seems like Trump and the Democrats are trying to work together through this. Is there any way that we can likewise quarantine the divisiveness in here? I think everyone admits Trump has foot in mouth disease, and I would hope we would all agree that the media chose sides early on, and has lived off fanning the flames of whichever side.

Maybe we can reset in here, of course that requires courage on both sides - acknowledging the strong beliefs about Trump are still out there, G1 and Punch still hate his guts, Chico and I still believe in his agenda, and see the dems as a lynch mob out for Trump's head at any cost. BUT this virus is causing a new version of life. A reset. Let's take that opportunity here, and set aside the bickering where possible. Please? For America LOL

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[quote=MTK;1247080]Calling it right now, if this blows over by let's say mid summer and the virus is in our rearview, and the market starts bouncing back strong, Trump will definitely parade around trumpeting this as a big win for him and how well he handled it all and try to ride it all the way to re-election.[/quote]

Hopefully before summer! If it doesn't go well he'll use it as a chance to dump Pence and add Nicky Haley as his VP.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1247151]It seems like Trump and the Democrats are trying to work together through this. Is there any way that we can likewise quarantine the divisiveness in here? I think everyone admits Trump has foot in mouth disease, and I would hope we would all agree that the media chose sides early on, and has lived off fanning the flames of whichever side.

Maybe we can reset in here, of course that requires courage on both sides - acknowledging the strong beliefs about Trump are still out there, G1 and Punch still hate his guts, Chico and I still believe in his agenda, and see the dems as a lynch mob out for Trump's head at any cost. BUT this virus is causing a new version of life. A reset. Let's take that opportunity here, and set aside the bickering where possible. Please? For America LOL[/quote]

The only way that can happen is for trump to disappear, his arrogance , ignorance and fully blown arrogance is bringing this country down as much if not more than the virus. No he did not cause the virus it is not his fault but his lack of genuine leadership during the virus crisis is leading to panic.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1247183]The only way that can happen is for trump to disappear, his arrogance , ignorance and fully blown arrogance is bringing this country down as much if not more than the virus. No he did not cause the virus it is not his fault but his lack of genuine leadership during the virus crisis is leading to panic.[/QUOTE]As much as you hate it, he is the president thru this. He isn't disappearing. Like i said, it would take courage and willingness on all parts. I still hope and offer it to anyone and everyone else. Let us all set aside the bickering and focus on the goal of getting past this virus by pulling together behind the president AND Democratic house. We can do this.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1247185]As much as you hate it, he is the president thru this. He isn't disappearing. Like i said, it would take courage and willingness on all parts. I still hope and offer it to anyone and everyone else. Let us all set aside the bickering and focus on the goal of getting past this virus by pulling together behind the president AND Democratic house. We can do this.

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So much for working together!



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-coronavirus-vote-delayed-rand-002400850.html[/url]

Senate coronavirus vote delayed after Rand Paul pushes doomed amendment

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1247237]So much for working together!







[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-coronavirus-vote-delayed-rand-002400850.html[/url]



Senate coronavirus vote delayed after Rand Paul pushes doomed amendment[/QUOTE]Rand Paul is a fiscal hawk. Can't read the article now, but let's see what happens next.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1247238]Rand Paul is a fiscal hawk. Can't tead the article now, but let's see what happens next.

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The sources said Paul is forcing a vote on his amendment, which would "require a social security number for purposes of the child tax credit, and to provide the President the authority to transfer funds as necessary, and to terminate United States military operations and reconstruction activities in Afghanistan."

^^ from CReds article.

This maybe should go in the non political coronavirus thread .. but then people will (rightfully) point out that Pauls amendments have nothing to do with responding to the cornoavirus, why is he putting a poison pill in there, etc

I had to switch from Libertarian back to Dem a few years ago bc of Rand Paul and some others.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1247240]The sources said Paul is forcing a vote on his amendment, which would "require a social security number for purposes of the child tax credit, and to provide the President the authority to transfer funds as necessary, and to terminate United States military operations and reconstruction activities in Afghanistan."



^^ from CReds article.



This maybe should go in the non political coronavirus thread .. but then people will (rightfully) point out that Pauls amendments have nothing to do with responding to the cornoavirus, why is he putting a poison pill in there, etc



I had to switch from Libertarian back to Dem a few years ago bc of Rand Paul and some others.[/QUOTE]I get the budget concern from Rand but you are absolutely right that any issues that don't relate directly with cv19 should not be inserted by anyone.

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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/state-governors-taking-lead-coronavirus-precautions-federal-government-091636735--abc-news-topstories.html[/url]


State governors taking lead on coronavirus precautions as federal government works to define plan


As the coronavirus outbreak continues and the federal government scrambles to come up with a national plan to keep people safe, governors are stepping up.

And health experts have said that their actions, such as shutting down business and calling for self-isolation, have proved crucial at helping contain the outbreak.

Governors of states with the most cases, such as Washington's Jay Inslee, New York's Andrew Cuomo and California's Gavin Newsom, made the right decision by enacting these policies, according to John Auerbach, CEO of Trust for America's Health, a public health advocacy group.

Marianne Udow-Phillips, executive director of the Center for Health and Research Transformation at the University of Michigan, said the governors' messages stick with the public in a way those from the federal government may not.

"Governors hear directly from health care providers, the local business community, school leaders and citizens at large," she said in an email. "They are deeply attuned to local and statewide impacts."

Joshua Epstein, a professor of epidemiology at the NYU School of Global Public Health, stressed that while the states are taking a lead in their regions, it's important that there be consistency with their coronavirus actions. He noted that New York, Connecticut and New Jersey's joint announcement to close non-essential stores was a smart move.

"They don't want people running across state lines to buy goods, and they've worked to keep policies the same," he said.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1247454][url]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/state-governors-taking-lead-coronavirus-precautions-federal-government-091636735--abc-news-topstories.html[/url]





State governors taking lead on coronavirus precautions as federal government works to define plan





As the coronavirus outbreak continues and the federal government scrambles to come up with a national plan to keep people safe, governors are stepping up.



And health experts have said that their actions, such as shutting down business and calling for self-isolation, have proved crucial at helping contain the outbreak.



Governors of states with the most cases, such as Washington's Jay Inslee, New York's Andrew Cuomo and California's Gavin Newsom, made the right decision by enacting these policies, according to John Auerbach, CEO of Trust for America's Health, a public health advocacy group.



Marianne Udow-Phillips, executive director of the Center for Health and Research Transformation at the University of Michigan, said the governors' messages stick with the public in a way those from the federal government may not.



"Governors hear directly from health care providers, the local business community, school leaders and citizens at large," she said in an email. "They are deeply attuned to local and statewide impacts."



Joshua Epstein, a professor of epidemiology at the NYU School of Global Public Health, stressed that while the states are taking a lead in their regions, it's important that there be consistency with their coronavirus actions. He noted that New York, Connecticut and New Jersey's joint announcement to close non-essential stores was a smart move.



"They don't want people running across state lines to buy goods, and they've worked to keep policies the same," he said.[/QUOTE]I am glad to see this. It is actually the way our country should work. The local governments should be taking care and setting laws and conditions appropriate for their states. NY NJ has a far different requirement for cooperation and conditions than wyoming Montana for example.

I said it before, I really think all of our government from local to congress to Trump are pulling together and showing why America is the greatest country on the planet.

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I guess trump is changing his travel plans?


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/secret-signed-emergency-order-week-135907032.html[/url]

The Secret Service signed an 'emergency order' this week — for 30 golf carts


The Secret Service signed an "emergency order" this week to rent $45,000-worth of golf carts in the town of Sterling, Virginia, where President Trump has a golf course, The Washington Post reports. The 30-cart fleet, which the Secret Service is renting through the end of September, was described as being necessary in order to protect a "dignitary," although the president was not explicitly referenced by name.

Surprisingly, while many nonessential businesses around the country have closed to prevent the spread of disease, Virginia's Trump National Golf Club remains open. Gov. Ralph Northam (D) allowed for golf courses to continue to operate so long as golfers keep a six-foot distance from others. The Virginia club is a favorite of the president's; he has visited it 76 times since taking office, most recently in October.

The Post notes that Trump has not played golf since March 8, when there were still only about 500 confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. and 21 deaths, most of which were concentrated at a nursing home in Washington State. In a statement, Secret Service spokesperson Cathy Milhoan clarified that the "emergency" contract referred specifically to "a need for expedited handling of the procurement due to deadlines within the agency's business processes

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1247458]I am glad to see this. It is actually the way our country should work. The local governments should be taking care and setting laws and conditions appropriate for their states. NY NJ has a far different requirement for cooperation and conditions than wyoming Montana for example.

I said it before, I really think all of our government from local to congress to Trump are pulling together and showing why America is the greatest country on the planet.

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Trump has been denying and downplaying this out of fear for what it would mean to his re-election chances. He finally came around because he was forced to when even he couldn’t lie about it anymore. Yet he is still pushing the use of a drug that has zero scientific evidence that it helps fight the virus. A drug other people actually need to live. This morning he is tweeting about fake news. That Asshole had a chance to rise to the occasion and he failed miserably. For the love of God stop defending him. We are not handling this virus like the greatest country in the world and it is on him. He had two months to prepare. Instead he downplayed it hoping it would go away.

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[quote=punch it in;1248877]Trump has been denying and downplaying this out of fear for what it would mean to his re-election chances. He finally came around because he was forced to when even he couldn’t lie about it anymore. Yet he is still pushing the use of a drug that has zero scientific evidence that it helps fight the virus. A drug other people actually need to live. This morning he is tweeting about fake news. That Asshole had a chance to rise to the occasion and he failed miserably. For the love of God stop defending him. We are not handling this virus like the greatest country in the world and it is on him. He had two months to prepare. Instead he downplayed it hoping it would go away.[/quote]

Fully agree with you.

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[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/14/21177509/coronavirus-trump-covid-19-pandemic-response[/url]

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This is a great video.......................


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/max-boot-donald-trump-worst-president-094023032.html[/url]


A conservative columnist says President Donald Trump has reached a historic new low: worst president of all time.

“With his catastrophic mishandling of the coronavirus, Trump has established himself as the worst president in U.S. history,” wrote Max Boot of The Washington Post.

Boot, a persistent critic of the president, wrote Sunday that he tried to avoid giving Trump the title, saying history usually required some time to put things into perspective. Instead, he called Trump the worst “modern” president.

“That left open the possibility that James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Warren Harding or some other nonentity would be judged more harshly,” Boot wrote.

But his opinion changed over the past month.

Boot said Trump’s biggest rival for the title was Buchanan, who helped set the stage for the Civil War.

“But there is good reason to think that the Civil War would have broken out no matter what,” Boot wrote. “By contrast, there is nothing inevitable about the scale of the disaster we now confront.”

Trump was warned about the impending COVID-19 crisis, but he didn’t take action early by ordering the testing equipment and much-needed emergency supplies that cities and states are now struggling to obtain. Instead, Trump held rallies and played golf.

“In the days and weeks after [Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex] Azar alerted him about the virus, Trump spoke at eight rallies and golfed six times, as if he didn’t have a care in the world,” Boot wrote.

Boot also said voters would get to cast the ultimate judgment on Trump.

“But whatever happens in November, Trump cannot escape the pitiless judgment of history,” he wrote. “Somewhere, a relieved James Buchanan must be smiling.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1248880]This is a great video.......................





[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/max-boot-donald-trump-worst-president-094023032.html[/url]





A conservative columnist says President Donald Trump has reached a historic new low: worst president of all time.



“With his catastrophic mishandling of the coronavirus, Trump has established himself as the worst president in U.S. history,” wrote Max Boot of The Washington Post.



Boot, a persistent critic of the president, wrote Sunday that he tried to avoid giving Trump the title, saying history usually required some time to put things into perspective. Instead, he called Trump the worst “modern” president.



“That left open the possibility that James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Warren Harding or some other nonentity would be judged more harshly,” Boot wrote.



But his opinion changed over the past month.



Boot said Trump’s biggest rival for the title was Buchanan, who helped set the stage for the Civil War.



“But there is good reason to think that the Civil War would have broken out no matter what,” Boot wrote. “By contrast, there is nothing inevitable about the scale of the disaster we now confront.”



Trump was warned about the impending COVID-19 crisis, but he didn’t take action early by ordering the testing equipment and much-needed emergency supplies that cities and states are now struggling to obtain. Instead, Trump held rallies and played golf.



“In the days and weeks after [Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex] Azar alerted him about the virus, Trump spoke at eight rallies and golfed six times, as if he didn’t have a care in the world,” Boot wrote.



Boot also said voters would get to cast the ultimate judgment on Trump.



“But whatever happens in November, Trump cannot escape the pitiless judgment of history,” he wrote. “Somewhere, a relieved James Buchanan must be smiling.[/QUOTE]



G 1 it is past the point of me and you even citing sources and articles. Lol. I mean how in your face does mismanagement have to be? We have ALL seen him for the last couple months with our own eyes. We see South Korea in damn space suits cleaning and doctoring yet America the great is being told to use rags. It is fucking unreal.

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[YT]NAh4uS4f78o[/YT]


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[quote=punch it in;1248888]G 1 it is past the point of me and you even citing sources and articles. Lol. I mean how in your face does mismanagement have to be? We have ALL seen him for the last couple months with our own eyes. We see South Korea in damn space suits cleaning and doctoring yet America the great is being told to use rags. It is fucking unreal.[/quote]

I realize that you and many others here understand it but there are a few still here who perpetuate the myth and when they post should be shown the ignorance that they defend and are proud of.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1248895][YT]NAh4uS4f78o[/YT]


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This is priceless. Bunch a fuckin sheep.

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Hannity is such garbage


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[B]trump wants his dictatorship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/B]


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/citing-coronavirus-trump-threatens-to-adjourn-congress-to-make-recess-appointments-232930089.html[/url]

Citing coronavirus, Trump threatens to adjourn Congress to make recess appointments


President Trump said Wednesday that he was considering taking the unprecedented step of adjourning both houses of Congress in order to make recess appointments to fill government posts, citing the emergency created by the coronavirus outbreak.

“If the House will not agree to that adjournment, I will exercise my constitutional authority to adjourn both chambers of Congress,” Trump said at a Rose Garden briefing of the coronavirus task force. “The current practice of leaving town while conducting phony pro forma sessions is a dereliction of duty that the American people cannot afford during this crisis. It is a scam what they do.”

The president appears to be referring to Article II, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which grants presidents the right to adjourn Congress “in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment.”

Such a move would be immediately challenged in court, however, and the logistics of carrying out such a plan immediately drew scrutiny.

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I have a biracial kid so perhaps I'm overly sensitive but it equally amazed and angers me when Fox news or conservative people lose their shut because a Cheerios commercial features a bi racial family.

Latest one is because gerbers baby for this year is .. omg .. black!!!

The looks and comments we would get when we left the DMV area were surprising.

Not the right thread sorry

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/gerber-baby-first-adopted-child[/url]

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[quote=SunnySide;1251658]I have a biracial kid so perhaps I'm overly sensitive but it equally amazed and angers me when Fox news or conservative people lose their shut because a Cheerios commercial features a bi racial family.

Latest one is because gerbers baby for this year is .. omg .. black!!!

The looks and comments we would get when we left the DMV area were surprising.

Not the right thread sorry

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/gerber-baby-first-adopted-child[/url][/quote]

I have to agree with you here, my oldest grandson is biracial .

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1251658]I have a biracial kid so perhaps I'm overly sensitive but it equally amazed and angers me when Fox news or conservative people lose their shut because a Cheerios commercial features a bi racial family.



Latest one is because gerbers baby for this year is .. omg .. black!!!



The looks and comments we would get when we left the DMV area were surprising.



Not the right thread sorry



[url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/gerber-baby-first-adopted-child[/url][/QUOTE]In 1989 my fiance at the time ( we didnt end up getting married though) and I were walking thru the streets of Philadelphia. She was going to Princeton and she was black. I am a white guy, who grew up in oxon hill md. She got the rudest vilest comments from the black men calling her race traitor, oreo and worse. I dont condone anyone who makes degrading or bs remarks based on race, from any perspective.

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Pathetic

[URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/white-house-portrait-ceremony-may-be-latest-casualty-political-divide-n1209676?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma"]White House portrait ceremony may be the latest casualty of the political divide[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1252061]Pathetic

[URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/white-house-portrait-ceremony-may-be-latest-casualty-political-divide-n1209676?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma"]White House portrait ceremony may be the latest casualty of the political divide[/URL][/quote]

The extreme pettiness goes both ways, last I heard two wrongs don't make a right. Nancy Pelosi is just as bad as Trump. The other day she referred to him as morbidly obese. Last I checked I think that meant someone who was 100 pounds overweight. I guess she needs a dictionary.

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A BMI of 40 or more is considered to be morbidly obese. I bet Trump is close to that.

But that's not what I was talking about in the first place. Trump is breaking off a 40 year tradition.

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The Peolsi troll is a good one...she is looking for a response. She’s baited him before with things and Trump has bought into it...then she picks up the hammer he lays at her feet and knocks him over the head with it.

It doesn’t bother me what Peolsi says and thought it was funny. Trump shouldn’t take the bait, but he probably can’t resist.

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[quote=MTK;1252067]A BMI of 40 or more is considered to be morbidly obese. I bet Trump is close to that.

But that's not what I was talking about in the first place. [B] Trump is breaking off a 40 year tradition[/B].[/quote]

That is just another example of the pettiness between the parties escalating to utter nonsense.

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[quote=MTK;1252061]Pathetic

[URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/white-house-portrait-ceremony-may-be-latest-casualty-political-divide-n1209676?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma"]White House portrait ceremony may be the latest casualty of the political divide[/URL][/quote]

Trump probably started a new tradition. Take a portrait of your predecessor and stick it in the bottom of his personal toilet where it belongs.

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Trump shouldn't have the option,it should be done if he doesn't like it then he can go out and play mini golf and they can do it without him .FT.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1251662]In 1989 my fiance at the time ( we didnt end up getting married though) and I were walking thru the streets of Philadelphia. She was going to Princeton and she was black. I am a white guy, who grew up in oxon hill md. She got the rudest vilest comments from the black men calling her race traitor, oreo and worse. I dont condone anyone who makes degrading or bs remarks based on race, from any perspective.

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I had the same thing happen dating a Mexican girl as a white guy in the early 80's. They would say things about her in Spanish. The idiots thought she would understand them and I wouldn't. The opposite was true, her family had been in the USA for multiple generations, her parents or siblings did not speak Spanish either. Having 4 years of Spanish between high school and college I had no problem understanding them. They were pretty shocked when I would say something nasty back at them in their native language.

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Sadly , this isn't a surprise to anyone anymore. The man is a fucking moron.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-conor-lamb-marine-insult-memorial-day-000300499.html[/url]

Donald Trump picked Memorial Day to attack Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Pa.), a Marine Corps veteran, as an “American fraud” and “puppet for Crazy Nancy Pelosi” as the president endorsed the lawmaker’s rival on Monday.

Trump goofed up the attack, referring to Conor Lamb as “Connor Lamm” as he pitched Republican candidate Sean Parnell in the election for Lamb’s Pennsylvania seat.

Trump appeared to be unaware that Lamb, far from being Pelosi’s “puppet,” was one of only 15 Democrats in the House who did not vote for her to become speaker in 2017.

Lamb won his seat in March 2018 in a contest with Republican Rick Saccone, who was endorsed by Trump. It was a stunning Democratic upset in a longtime Republican district that faced the special election after Republican Rep. Tim Murphy resigned over an extramarital affair.

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Surprise,.....trump is going to screw himself this time.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-proposed-order-social-media-122044308.html[/url]

The executive order that Trump signed Thursday seeks to strip liability protection in certain cases for companies like Twitter, Google and Facebook for the content on their sites, meaning they could face legal jeopardy if they allowed false and defamatory posts. Without a liability shield, they presumably would have to be more aggressive about policing messages that press the boundaries — like the president’s.

That, of course, is not the outcome Trump wants. What he wants is to have the freedom to post anything he likes without the companies applying any judgment to his messages, as Twitter did this week when it began appending “get the facts” warnings to some of his false posts on voter fraud. Furious at what he called “censorship” — even though his messages were not in fact deleted — Trump is wielding the proposed executive order like a club to compel the company to back down.

It may not work even as intended. Plenty of lawyers quickly said Thursday that he was claiming power to do something he does not have the power to do by essentially revising the interpretation of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the main law passed by Congress in 1996 to lay out the rules of the road for online media. Legal experts predicted such a move would be challenged and most likely struck down by the courts.

But the logic of Trump’s order is intriguing because it attacks the very legal provision that has allowed him such latitude to publish with impunity a whole host of inflammatory, harassing and factually distorted messages that a media provider might feel compelled to take down if it were forced into the role of a publisher that faced the risk of legal liability rather than a distributor that does not.

“Ironically, Donald Trump is a big beneficiary of Section 230,” said Kate Ruane, a senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, which instantly objected to the proposed order. “If platforms were not immune under the law, then they would not risk the legal liability that could come with hosting Donald Trump’s lies, defamation and threats.”

Trump has long posted false and disparaging messages to his 80 million followers on Twitter, disregarding complaints about their accuracy or fairness. In recent weeks, he has repeatedly issued tweets that essentially falsely accused Joe Scarborough, the MSNBC host, of murdering a staff member in 2001 when he was a congressman. Scarborough was 800 miles away at the time, and the police found no signs of foul play. The aide’s widower asked Twitter to delete the messages, but it refused.

Trump and his allies argue that social media companies have shown bias against conservatives and need to be reined in. While they are private firms rather than the government, the president and his allies argue that they have in effect become the public square envisioned by the founders when they drafted the First Amendment and therefore should not be weighing in on one side or the other.

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Population: 95 million
Border with China: almost 1500km
Coronavirus deaths: 0
Confirmed corona cases total: 328

[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vietnam-how-this-country-of-95-million-kept-its-coronavirus-death-toll-at-zero/ar-BB14MxiR?li=BBnb7Kz"]Competent government? Check. [/URL]

I guess that's the difference between a government that comes out aggressive and doesn't wait for guidance and a government that fears weakening the economy more than the inevitable loss of life.

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It’s gonna be interesting to look at the data from other countries. Japan did basically nothing and they came out pretty damn good. But to compare Vietnam to US...


Shout out to Killer Mike calling out CNN as the most bullshit network on TV

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[quote=Chico23231;1252349]It’s gonna be interesting to look at the data from other countries. Japan did basically nothing and they came out pretty damn good. But to compare Vietnam to US...


Shout out to Killer Mike calling out CNN as the most bullshit network on TV[/quote]

Killer mike needs to watch FOX.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252349]It’s gonna be interesting to look at the data from other countries. Japan did basically nothing and they came out pretty damn good. But to compare Vietnam to US...


Shout out to Killer Mike calling out CNN as the most bullshit network on TV[/quote]

97 million people is almost a third of what the US has. Sure, not the same, but Vietnam isn't some small country.

How about this? The country with the 2nd most confirmed cases is Brazil, with 465k confirmed. The #1 country? The US, with 1.7 million confirmed cases.

How about top 5 countries by population?

1. China: 1.4 billion people, 84k confirmed cases, ranked #16 (I'll even grant you that number is horseshit because China has state-run media).
2. India: 1.3 billion people, 181k confirmed cases, ranked #9
3. United States: 327 million people, 1.7 mil confirmed cases, easily ranked #1 with almost 3.5 times the amount of cases as #2
4. Indonesia, 267 million people, 25k confirmed cases, ranked #33
5. Pakistan, 212 million people, 66k confirmed cases, ranked #18

How many of those other countries have an entire political party convinced the 'rona is nothing major, led by a President who didn't take it seriously for 2 months?

You laugh off Vietnam as a joke because 97 million people couldn't possibly compare to 327 million, but you know what the difference is? They were aggressive in January, banning flights from Wuhan first, doing aggressive contact tracing and isolating anyone connected. And their people didn't try and fight it either, they trusted the doctors and science and quarantined themselves until they knew it was safe.

A smart population, led by smart government who deferred to the experts from the start = 0 deaths, out of 97 million people. We'll be lucky if COVID is done by next year. Too many idiots demanding the public be reopened while we haven't even contained it yet.

P.S. I agree with Killer Mike, but let's not pretend you'd be shitting on him too if he was up there saying "hey guys, it's ok to have an issue with CNN being biased, but let's not damage their property ok?"

P.P.S. I'll never take you seriously if you won't lump Fox News into the same boat as CNN. They both do the same shit, present opinions from paid contributors with slanted coverage to tell the people how to think.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

Wanted to start a new thread with this but thought better.

This is so true........

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-pestilence-country-war-itself-050003433.html[/url]

Fire, pestilence and a country at war with itself: the Trump presidency is over!

You’d be forgiven if you hadn’t noticed. His verbal bombshells are louder than ever, but Donald J Trump is no longer president of the United States.


By having no constructive response to any of the monumental crises now convulsing America, Trump has abdicated his office.

He is not governing. He’s golfing, watching cable TV and tweeting.

How has Trump responded to the widespread unrest following the murder in Minneapolis of George Floyd, a black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for minutes as he was handcuffed on the ground?

Trump called the protesters “thugs” and threatened to have them shot. “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted, parroting a former Miami police chief whose words spurred race riots in the late 1960s.

On Saturday, he gloated about “the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons” awaiting protesters outside the White House, should they ever break through Secret Service lines.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Giantone;1252364]Wanted to start a new thread with this but thought better.

This is so true........

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-pestilence-country-war-itself-050003433.html[/url]

Fire, pestilence and a country at war with itself: the Trump presidency is over!

You’d be forgiven if you hadn’t noticed. His verbal bombshells are louder than ever, but Donald J Trump is no longer president of the United States.


By having no constructive response to any of the monumental crises now convulsing America, Trump has abdicated his office.

He is not governing. He’s golfing, watching cable TV and tweeting.

How has Trump responded to the widespread unrest following the murder in Minneapolis of George Floyd, a black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for minutes as he was handcuffed on the ground?

Trump called the protesters “thugs” and threatened to have them shot. “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted, parroting a former Miami police chief whose words spurred race riots in the late 1960s.

On Saturday, he gloated about “the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons” awaiting protesters outside the White House, should they ever break through Secret Service lines.[/quote]

Well, at this point, some of the protests are getting crazy. We can't let the country burn down from protests, i'm not siding with Trump here, but these states are doing the right thing with having the military deployed to restore order. And that being said, the military should restore order by any means necessary.

lots of people are going to die unfortunately, because you know someone, or a group, is going to try and engage the U.S. Military in open combat out on the streets and i only expect it to be a massacre. Some military people will probably be killed during it, that is the nature of something like this.

The military's job is to protect the country from threats both foreign and Domestic. So in my opinion, once our citizens become the enemy and the normal police / response units cannot restore order, the military needs to neutralize the threat(s).