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[quote=44Deezel;886166]They would have won 4 with Rivers and those picks they traded to San Diego;)[/quote]I think they would have been better with Rivers, but if you believe the reports, the guy they were going to take at no. 4 was Roethlisberger.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;886150]Now is not the time. We are in the middle of a rebuild. Sure you take risks, but you have to know when to take them.[/QUOTE]

If the time isn't now to get our QB then when is the time?

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[quote=NC_Skins;886163]So let's just abandon that long term plan that could set us up for future to come just to blow it on a mere chance?...lol


I'm just glad you guys don't handle my finances. When you have everything set, you can take those types of gambles. When you are broke and scraping for money, you don't take those types of gambles. We are broke and scraping guys. This isn't a 1 player away from greatness team. This is a "still needing a lot of talent depth" to be a contender on a regular basis.

If we had a little more depth and talent, I would have no problem going for that risk. Doing so now could set us back big time.[/quote]

Getting a QB that will make you a contender for the next decade is not abandoning the long term plan especially when the net cost is two starters at best.

If anything not pulling the trigger on a prospect like Griffin is killing the long term plan. With scouting improving by leaps and bounds these diamond in the rough QB's are getting harder and harder to find so when you have a Griffin in your crosshairs you pull the trigger.

Like I said before by the time you're ready to pull the trigger on a QB all that depth and talent you built up will be on the backside of their career. And all we'll really have to show for passing on the chance to trade up for Griffin will be three or four solid starters, assuming we hit on all three of the picks it would cost for the trade up.

This is the NFC East. A division with 3 pro bowl QB's. You don't win it by spending years trying to recreate the hogs and having Kyle Orton or Rex Grossman handing off the ball to random Shanahan back 8b.

You want to talk about finances fine. RGIII is the Google IPO. Sure the $100 a share price is steep. However when it's at $700 a share three years later you'll be happy you invested.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886169]If the time isn't now to get our QB then when is the time?[/quote]

Next years class [Always]> This Years Class

Why don't you guys read my BLOG?!?!11

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886145]Fact is Eli didn't flop, they won two Super Bowls, so they don't regret it. There comes a time when you gotta take the risk. If you never take the risk, your reward will never be as high as you want. Sure the higher the risk the higher the potential failure, but that's better than hovering in mediocrities your whole life.[/quote]

I feel ya, I completely agree. If we keep up what we have been doing and not draft a young stud, all of our key/young players will be past their prime and have to be replaced by the time we do. Not much reward comes with no risk

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;886083]Do you think a 69 Ford Mustang Mach 1 429 Cobra Jet would work? I got one of those!! :)[/quote]

I hate you. But really sick car.

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that is a sick car. i'm still far off from getting my dream car on the road, 1969 chevelle ss

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;886169]If the time isn't now to get our QB then when is the time?[/quote]

When we can afford to give up a bunch of draft picks. Right now, it's draft picks that infuse your team with young talent and keeps your salary cap down.


This was Vinny's main problem. He pissed away those draft picks that would have kept the salary cap down and the talent level young and fresh. No, he though he'd piss the picks away for "proven" players, throw a ton of cash on them. So when these players didn't pan out, not only was he out of the young talent he could have had from the draft picks, but now his salary cap is ruined due to signing guys like this. Vinny's team had absolute 0 depth to them, which is why you saw the team take a dive in 2009 when a couple starters went down. Not only that, but he had to make up for the loss of draft picks via free agency which further killed the salary cap, and he had to keep renegotiating these old contracts just to fit under the cap each year.

That's exactly what happens when you gamble and have nothing to back it up. Right now, teams that have a 50/50 record in the draft are considered incredible and downright geniuses. This is the primary reason why you need all the draft picks you can get. The more you have, the higher the chances you'll land more productive players. Bill Belicheck isn't a dummy. There is a reason he keeps trading his picks away for more picks. It's a numbers game. More picks mean more chances.

Right now. We need all the chances we can get.

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Unless there is something wrong that MS sees in RG3, I really don't see why he wouldn't go after him. There is always the risk of any rookie to not work out. But I just feel that if for some reason RG3 is a bust, it would be hard to get on MS' case for taking a risk on a highly touted QB of the future.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886172]Getting a QB that will make you a contender for the next decade is not abandoning the long term plan especially when the net cost is two starters at best.

[U]If anything not pulling the trigger on a prospect like Griffin [/U]is killing the long term plan. With scouting improving by leaps and bounds these diamond in the rough QB's are getting harder and harder to find so when you have a Griffin in your crosshairs you pull the trigger.
[/quote]

Apparently you haven't been keeping up with Smoot's reports on how the Redskins feel about RGIII. They like him, but not enough to sell the farm.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886179]Unless there is something wrong that MS sees in RG3, I really don't see why he wouldn't go after him. There is always the risk of any rookie to not work out. But I just feel that if for some reason RG3 is a bust, it would be hard to get on MS' case for taking a risk on a highly touted QB of the future.[/quote]

Especially one with no obvious red flags. Whats not to love about a genius with world class athletic ability and leadership skills not to mention experience turning joke of a football program into a contender?

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[U]Looking at the most recent 20 SuperBowl Champion Quaterbacks:[/U]

- 12 of those games were won by a QB drafted in the 1st round within the first 11 picks. ([I]including Steve Young in the Supplemental draft after coming from the USFL[/I])

- 9 of those Super Bowls were won by a QB chosen 1st overall ([I]Incl. Young[/I])

- 15 were won by Quaterbacks who were drafted within the top 33 picks overall ([I]after you account for Favre, Brees and Rodgers[/I])

- 3 were won by Tom Brady ([I]yes we know...drafted 199th overall[/I])

- The other 2 were Kurt Warner and Brad Johnson.

- 3 were won by a QB who was acquired via free agency. ([I]Brees, Dilfer, Brad Johnson[/I])(excluding Warner who was in the Arena league prior to the Rams).


[B]Summary:[/B]

60% of the Super Bowls were won by a QB drafted high in the 1st Round.

3 out of 4 were won by QB's drafted in the top 33 picks.

10% were won by FA QB's with an historically great defense.

1 was one by a free agent QB without a great defense.

1 was one by a once in a generation Cinderella Story (Warner)

You have a great chance to win with a late round "developmental QB"....if his name is Tom Brady.

[B]My hope: [/B]

We draft our guy high in the 1st round.

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[quote=NC_Skins;886178]When we can afford to give up a bunch of draft picks. Right now, it's draft picks that infuse your team with young talent and keeps your salary cap down.


This was Vinny's main problem. He pissed away those draft picks that would have kept the salary cap down and the talent level young and fresh. No, he though he'd piss the picks away for "proven" players, throw a ton of cash on them. So when these players didn't pan out, not only was he out of the young talent he could have had from the draft picks, but now his salary cap is ruined due to signing guys like this. Vinny's team had absolute 0 depth to them, which is why you saw the team take a dive in 2009 when a couple starters went down. Not only that, but he had to make up for the loss of draft picks via free agency which further killed the salary cap, and he had to keep renegotiating these old contracts just to fit under the cap each year.

That's exactly what happens when you gamble and have nothing to back it up. Right now, teams that have a 50/50 record in the draft are considered incredible and downright geniuses. This is the primary reason why you need all the draft picks you can get. The more you have, the higher the chances you'll land more productive players. Bill Belicheck isn't a dummy. There is a reason he keeps trading his picks away for more picks. It's a numbers game. More picks mean more chances.

Right now. We need all the chances we can get.[/quote]The reason Belichick keeps trading away picks for more picks in future years is because he knows if he has a year where he cashes in and makes 12 draft picks and five in the first two rounds, he's just going to have to cut young talent for someone else to pick up. So he pushes the draft value into future years so it's not wasted by roster constraint.

I disagree that trading draft picks for other draft picks is somehow costing you value in the long run. It shouldn't be. I agree that the Redskins should be looking to trade up on the Redskins own terms. Not the Rams terms. Not the Browns terms. Exploring all options means that if you're willing to move up and name your own price to do so, and you can get a trade you like, you do it. What would be wrong is trading up to no. 2 without negotiating the price just to ensure you get RG3. That's not good business.

If the value of moving up is worth an additional pick, then sometimes it makes sense to trade that additional pick. If the value is an additional pick, and the other side wants three picks, then you have a negotiation, not a deal.

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Would this team be able to win more games than this past season's team:

QB: RG3(starter), Clausen (backup)
RB: Helu, Hightower, Royster
FB: Young
TEs: Cooley, Davis, Paulsen
WR 1: (VJax, Bowe, or Colston) WR 2: Hank WR 3: Moss or Gaffney
OT: T. Williams, Free Agent RT
OG: Chester, Grubbs
C: Montgomery

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I keep hearing the "we can't afford to take risks"...."let's stockpile our picks" arguement.

It's like a guy who gets his undergrad degree...gets offered a high paying job with big bonus incentives (performance based of course)...and turns it down because he doesn't want to risk not getting his MBA before hitting the field. He takes more years, gets his MBA, and comes out making the same money he was offered after undergrad...then he realizes that he could have "taken a risk", took the job, earned his MBA part-time, built up his resume and would have been making more $$$$.


Long and corny way to say....get our QB of the future and build around him while we develop him. Don't be afraid to multi-task.