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we will see what happens

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I thought it was interesting how he pointed out the Steelers as an example of a team that has big money tied up in its' qb, other skill position players, and the defense, and how they're still successful. Just goes to show it's not impossible to build a team when you're paying a qb big money.

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[quote=mooby;1185149]I thought it was interesting how he pointed out the Steelers as an example of a team that has big money tied up in its' qb, other skill position players, and the defense, and how they're still successful. Just goes to show it's not impossible to build a team when you're paying a qb big money.[/quote]

Ben isn't making 30M

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After Cousins little event today, I'm more optimistic about the organization, and it confirmed some things that I suspected:

1. It was Cousins that held things up last year, they did make a legit starting offer to him, and he knew what BA was going to say in the July press conference.

The media had blown that whole story out of proportion.

2. Cousins has been shown that he's wanted here. The story line that they needed to evaluate him is from 2 damn years ago.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;1185134]A big question is, how much has this debacle set us back as a team? Did it prevent us from truly investing in a better option than Pryor? Or sign quality depth on both lines?
Is the lukewarm responses from Kirk demoralizing to a team trying to build chemistry?
i see very few examples of a team succeeding when the QB isn't the true general on the field. The person that people want to follow into battle. Die by.
I cant help but feel like the uncertainty with the cap, and his presence have really set us back more than people realize. So what is the dfference now? We rebuild with a 30 mil qb and try to figure out how to make it work or we rebuild with a rookie that is team friendly deal for the next 4 years.[/quote]

I don't think it has.
We don't target high price free agents like Laveon Bell anymore.

The bigger issue is why we keep drafting outside linebackers that suck.
I'm still bitter we traded a pick to Dallas so they could get Demarcus Lawrence.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185151]Ben isn't making 30M[/quote]

No but you are aware the salary cap typically increases every year, which means down the road his salary will be more manageable. And we have Eric Schaffer on hand, who if you haven't noticed is fairly good at being able to get us the players that we want at the prices we can afford them at.

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If they are made to wait till March, he most likely will
test the FA market. I don’t think the skins put a 3rd tag on him.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35321/kirk-cousins-willing-to-wait-until-march-for-any-deal]Washington Redskins' Kirk Cousins willing to wait until March for deal - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1185163]If they are made to wait till March, he most likely will
test the FA market. I don’t think the skins put a 3rd tag on him.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35321/kirk-cousins-willing-to-wait-until-march-for-any-deal]Washington Redskins' Kirk Cousins willing to wait until March for deal - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

Fuck that, and I don't care who's to blame. That's horse shit. I can't take this game of chicken anymore. If I was in charge I'd already have an offer on the table and he has until end of January to take it or leave it. February 1st he's either our qb or we're all watching film 24/7 of the qbs in the draft. But no, this team makes everything as dog shitty as possible.

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IMHO, I don't know how these things work, but it would seem to me that the only thing to for the Skins FO to do from here is to kiss Kirk's ass back a little, offer him a legit offer (25mil +) try again to start negotiations, if he doesn't bite you tell Kirk at the deadline, "we love you Kirk we want you here, what would it take for you to find a peace here, not just with money but with being a winning organization?" If he doesn't bite or asks for >28mil then say, "we understand you want to see what you're worth and where you feel a peace, we respect that, but I hope you can respect that, well, you're our plan for a future, and if you can't commit to us long term we need to protect our investment in you, so we will put you on the transition tag with the hope of signing you long-term and jeep trying, and you will then have the opportunity to look around and see what offers there are and if you feel this is really the right place for you, if you decide to stay we'll sign a long term deal, if you instead accept another teams offer, we will match it if it's at all possible and hope we can help you to find a peace here, but we want you to want to be here too, so if you want to go elsewhere we will help you work out a trade."

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Bruce should put the non-exclusive tag on Kirk and reach out to Denver for a trade for their 1st rounder.
Why would Denver do this? Because this is the only way they can get Kirk without cutting other key players. The Redskins can match any offer the Broncos create because of Denver's limited cap space. Why would Kirk do this? Because this is his best option to go to a potentially winning team.

With the 5th pick we take Barkley, Josh Allen at 13. From there, I am signing Sam Bradford or Keenum on a 3-year deal. Use the added money in free agency to fix the LG, and defense.

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I'm good with anything the Skins decide to do with Kirk as long as this contract issue is resolved quickly.

What I don't want is for Kirk's potential contract to become a roadblock to signing Zac Brown and other FA's who will make the team better.

Ideally, the Skins will make Kirk a solid offer and then proceed as if he will [U]not[/U] be here next season, including meeting with FA QB's. If Kirk's side doesn't decide to negotiate and get a deal done before Keenum or some other QB signs here, then the Skins can simply rescind their offer to Kirk and move forward. At this point, the Skins management needs to get back in the driver's seat.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1185170]Bruce should put the non-exclusive tag on Kirk and reach out to Denver for a trade for their 1st rounder.
Why would Denver do this? Because this is the only way they can get Kirk without cutting other key players. The Redskins can match any offer the Broncos create because of Denver's limited cap space. Why would Kirk do this? Because this is his best option to go to a potentially winning team.

With the 5th pick we take Barkley, Josh Allen at 13. From there, I am signing Sam Bradford or Keenum on a 3-year deal. Use the added money in free agency to fix the LG, and defense.[/quote]

Sam Bradford? In 8 seasons in the NFL he has been healthy enough to play all 16 regular season games twice. With the Redskins injury issues the last few years do you honestly think they take a player with a bad injury history?

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1185179]Sam Bradford? In 8 seasons in the NFL he has been healthy enough to play all 16 regular season games twice. With the Redskins injury issues the last few years do you honestly think they take a player with a bad injury history?[/QUOTE]


This.

Bradford isn’t worth the risk, he’s more fragile than Jordan Reed.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1185179]Sam Bradford? In 8 seasons in the NFL he has been healthy enough to play all 16 regular season games twice. With the Redskins injury issues, the last few years do you honestly think they take a player with a bad injury history?[/quote]

Whoever is brought in here will not be the answer long-term. The rookie will be so I don't care who the vet is honestly. I would want the rookie to take over in the 2nd half of the season or win the job outright.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1185170]Bruce should put the non-exclusive tag on Kirk and reach out to Denver for a trade for their 1st rounder.
Why would Denver do this? Because this is the only way they can get Kirk without cutting other key players. The Redskins can match any offer the Broncos create because of Denver's limited cap space. Why would Kirk do this? Because this is his best option to go to a potentially winning team.

With the 5th pick we take Barkley, Josh Allen at 13. From there,[B] I am signing Sam Bradford or Keenum on a 3-year deal[/B]. Use the added money in free agency to fix the LG, and defense.[/quote]

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