Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=Giantone;1188879][URL]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-reportedly-want-to-give-kirk-cousins-60m-in-the-first-year-of-his-contract/[/URL][/quote]

If this actually happens it would seriously screw future qb negotiations.

And if Kirk actually entertained this offer all that "winner" talk would be proven to be absolute horseshit.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=Giantone;1188879][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-reportedly-want-to-give-kirk-cousins-60m-in-the-first-year-of-his-contract/[/url][/quote]

I was reading with interest until this part:
[quote]Whether or not Cousins is willing to go down that path with the Jets may depend on comfort for him. [B]He clearly liked Washington and was willing to make something work[/B], but the franchise never committed to him, particularly on the financial front.[/quote]

Almost wrong enough to make the whole story bogus, in my opinion

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

yeah there is no way we could have kept Kirk, even if we really wanted to.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188896]I was reading with interest until this part:


Almost wrong enough to make the whole story bogus, in my opinion[/quote]

I call BS on that, he didn't want to stay or else he would have period

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Even if he wanted to stay the team didn’t want to pay him.

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[quote=MTK;1188899]Even if he wanted to stay the team didn’t want to pay him.[/quote]

Not that kind of $$ he knows he will get in FA. Honestly I think we all can agree that Kirk is not worth $30M next season.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Not to keep rehashing the same BS but if we paid him 2 years ago when he wanted $19M a year he would be a bargain right now. Such is life, I’m ready to move on with Smith.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=MTK;1188901]Not to keep rehashing the same BS but if we paid him 2 years ago when he wanted $19M a year he would be a bargain right now. Such is life, I’m ready to move on with Smith.[/quote]

no doubt

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Yeah he never countered Bruce's offer last summer. So he's either seeing the opportunity for a huge money grab by getting to free agency, or he flat out didn't want to be a Redskin. Either way that screams he's not the right leader for us.

Once he refused to counter Bruce's offer, the writing was on the wall. It was clear he wasn't invested in us for the long term. So there's no reason we should feel the need to be invested in him.

I look forward to the dimension Smith adds with his ability to scramble. Replacing Fuller will not be easy but now there's a path forward. I'm more excited for the future than I was after the 2016 season when Cousins lit it up. Having things settled at QB is key.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=Schneed10;1188905]Yeah he never countered Bruce's offer last summer. So he's either seeing the opportunity for a huge money grab by getting to free agency, or he flat out didn't want to be a Redskin. Either way that screams he's not the right leader for us.

Once he refused to counter Bruce's offer, the writing was on the wall. It was clear he wasn't invested in us for the long term. So there's no reason we should feel the need to be invested in him.

I look forward to the dimension Smith adds with his ability to scramble. Replacing Fuller will not be easy but now there's a path forward. I'm more excited for the future than I was after the 2016 season when Cousins lit it up. Having things settled at QB is key.[/quote]

Fuller is a good CB but he's never going to be a 1 or 2, he'll be a 3 for the majority of his career, not a huge loss imo.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1188905]Yeah he never countered Bruce's offer last summer. So he's either seeing the opportunity for a huge money grab by getting to free agency, or he flat out didn't want to be a Redskin. Either way that screams he's not the right leader for us.

Once he refused to counter Bruce's offer, the writing was on the wall. It was clear he wasn't invested in us for the long term. So there's no reason we should feel the need to be invested in him.

I look forward to the dimension Smith adds with his ability to scramble. Replacing Fuller will not be easy but now there's a path forward. I'm more excited for the future than I was after the 2016 season when Cousins lit it up. Having things settled at QB is key.[/QUOTE]I think there is a culture shift with the Skins. If you do not put in your best effort even during practice, film time, weight room and at show you are a team member at the bargaining table they will let you go.

It may take a year or two more but it will be for the best.

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Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=Schneed10;1188905]Yeah he never countered Bruce's offer last summer. So he's either seeing the opportunity for a huge money grab by getting to free agency, or he flat out didn't want to be a Redskin. Either way that screams he's not the right leader for us.

Once he refused to counter Bruce's offer, the writing was on the wall. It was clear he wasn't invested in us for the long term. So there's no reason we should feel the need to be invested in him.

I look forward to the dimension Smith adds with his ability to scramble. Replacing Fuller will not be easy but now there's a path forward. I'm more excited for the future than I was after the 2016 season when Cousins lit it up. Having things settled at QB is key.[/quote]

Spot on! Negotiating contracts isn't about one side making all the offers and the other side sitting back and refusing those offers. Negotiation is about both sides coming to the table and trying to work a deal. That never happened with the Cousins camp, and was never going to happen. And all of this talk about Cousins threatening to place a complaint in with the NFLPA if the 'skins decided to try a tag and trade just solidifies the fact that he doesn't want anything to get in his way of making a big pay day. When all of this is said and done, Cousins is going to have to prove that he's worth the contract, and it's going to be a tough task to do so, especially if he goes to a team like the Jets or the Browns. Maybe not so much if he goes to Denver, but I don't believe Denver can pay out $60M in one year (I don't even think the Jets can do that!)

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Yes the Jets can, they have plenty of cap room and will be clearing up more

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Honestly, these reports of the Jets or Browns paying him ridiculous money $40-$60mil next year (probably just wild speculations IMO though) if they have any validity, I think further add to the argument for tagging him. $34 would be a bargain for these teams so they'll have no issue giving up a pick for an "expensive" 1 year deal.

I know, he might not like it, but if they're not gonna make big splashes in FA this year anyways, his need to come to the table is more urgent than theirs. If he wants a chance to talk to all interested parties before they make other plans than he'll have to cooperate, otherwise he would give in or out wait the Redskins later in FA and take what deal you can get at that point (Browns or Jets will be much less likely to pay these ridiculous contracts if they're the only one left bidding) or sit out next year.

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Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Tagging him keeps coming back to the same problems... he could file a grievance and most of all carrying his $34M on our books indefinitely and effectively shutting down our ability to sign players.