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People and journalists are actually mad at great news. Unbelievable

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[quote=Chico23231;1252600]People and journalists are actually mad at great news. Unbelievable[/quote]

Not mad at the news in the slightest, it's great news. I have friends and family going back to work and that's awesome.

Just think it's premature to be raising the mission accomplished flag. We have a long way to go.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252595]

[B]Once again, "experts" are completely wrong, just like they were about Coronavirus and every other thing that they have ever predicted, but yet we trust them. [/B]
[/quote]

Are you sure you're a Democrat? I have to constantly listen to rants from my Democrat girlfriend about people who don't believe in science. I think science on a lot of subjects is nothing but theories and educated guesses. She has a scientific background and works for the Feds. Any time I bring up all the laughable scientific predictions that never materialize I get all these angry excuses. The easy one is the science of weather prediction, I think the weatherman still has a batting average that would never get him out of the minor leagues.

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How much you want to bet the media and so call experts now will try to transition people back inside for a lockdown?




Nails it:

Suddenly, Public Health Officials Say Social Justice Matters More Than Social Distance

[url]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534[/url]

1,300 public health experts signed a letter supporting George Floyd protests while simultaneously condemning the anti-lockdown ones, raising questions about the impartiality of the messaging the public is getting from such experts on large gatherings.


The health narrative changes as the politics of protests do...fuckin hacks, all of them

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252602]Are you sure you're a Democrat? I have to constantly listen to rants from my Democrat girlfriend about people who don't believe in science. I think science on a lot of subjects is nothing but theories and educated guesses. She has a scientific background and works for the Feds. Any time I bring up all the laughable scientific predictions that never materialize I get all these angry excuses. The easy one is the science of weather prediction, I think the weatherman still has a batting average that would never get him out of the minor leagues.[/quote]

I think that I am a Democrat but honestly at times it seems that I am more independent now than anything else.

I have been candid on here about believing in things that other fellow democrats do not, while at the same time agreeing on Republican talking points.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252607]How much you want to bet the media and so call experts now will try to transition people back inside for a lockdown?[/quote]

NYC had no reported deaths from the virus yesterday and with businesses opening back up obviously we're in the clear.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252608]I think that I am a Democrat but honestly at times it seems that I am more independent now than anything else.

I have been candid on here about believing in things that other fellow democrats do not, while at the same time agreeing on Republican talking points.[/quote]

Solid — if you think democrats want a bad economy just because it will hurt trump .... I think you’re conflating the 10% extreme left as being all Democrats. That’s like me saying all republicans are white nationalists. There’s a small percent that are but they are the small minority and I don’t view the Republican Party as white nationalists.

Yeah it’s easy to disagree with a group if you generalize the entire group to their most extreme members.

I strongly disagree with the AOCs and the extreme left. I’m a Democrat. Most Americans are moderate centrists but there is not a party that represents us.

Just my opinion ...

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[quote=Chico23231;1252592]Lol...so fucking rich.....I’ve heard someone else say that one....lol[/quote]

heck of a retort chico , what's next call me a name ,yell "fake news" ?:yeahright:

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252595]You're right. You should be in charge. So what is the first thing you would do if you became president right now to end the rioting and bring everything under control?

I'm tired of seeing the Trump hate no matter what. I am probably the only Democrat you know that will tell you that I don't believe Donald Trump is the reason for every single problem befalling America right now.

The May unemployment numbers were far better than what the "experts" predicted. Once again, "experts" are completely wrong, just like they were about Coronavirus and every other thing that they have ever predicted, but yet we trust them.

Under normal circumstances we would be allowed to be happy about that, as it is a sign that the U.S. Economy is getting under control again and now the rebuilding has began. Probably by the end of the month unemployment numbers will be around 6 or 7%, possibly lower, a far cry from the 24.4% it was in just a few months ago. Normally we would be happy. Nope, if Trump talks about that, it's bad! We have to wish for death to the US Economy so that people can blame it on Trump![/quote]

The virus - not his fault. Floyd getting murdered by cops - not his fault. The economy nosediving because we had to shut down due to the virus - not his fault. Grading him on his response to all of these things though is fair game.

Gotta question your numbers a bit here too, unemployment [URL="https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate"]peaked in April at 14.70%[/URL]

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We trust experts because it is their job not their hobby like a politician. I love how you say the "experts" are "incorrect" about the coronavirus when we are literally learning about this on the fly. Real world scenarios are difficult to model and predict precisely because there are too many variables to control and predict their interactions. This is precisely why we use null hypotheses in order to validate correlations. If you are looking for absolutes in science you are not going to get it (there are even times when carbon has more than four bonds). The only absolutes are natural laws and that is not something that is used lightly.

In terms of weather forecasting a 7 day forecast accurately predicts the weather 80% of the time and a 5 day forecast accurately predicts the weather 90% of the time that is pretty damn good If those were batting averages they aren't even possible.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252607]How much you want to bet the media and so call experts now will try to transition people back inside for a lockdown?




Nails it:

Suddenly, Public Health Officials Say Social Justice Matters More Than Social Distance


1,300 public health experts signed a letter supporting George Floyd protests
[url]https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534[/url]while simultaneously condemning the anti-lockdown ones, raising questions about the impartiality of the messaging the public is getting from such experts on large gatherings.


The health narrative changes as the politics of protests do...fuckin hacks, all of them[/quote]

[COLOR="Red"]Fake news"![/COLOR]......is that how it's done chico?

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[quote=Chico23231;1252600]People and journalists are actually mad at great news. Unbelievable[/quote]

chico , ya mad?


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-chief-staff-two-years-161935808.html[/url]

Trump's chief of staff of 2 years says he agrees that Trump is bad for the country


John Kelly, President Donald Trump's longest-serving chief of staff and a retired Marine Corps general, said on Friday that he agreed with former Secretary of Defense James Mattis' assessment that Trump was harming the US.

In an interview with Anthony Scaramucci, the White House communications director whom Kelly promptly ousted in 2017 upon his promotion to chief of staff, Kelly said that Mattis was right to raise the alarm about Trump sending in active-duty troops to quash protests.

"The idea that you would unleash American active-duty folks, unless it's an extremist situation ... these are civilian responsibilities," Kelly said, "and we should be very, very careful before we contemplate sending in active-duty military."

Kelly also alluded to deficiencies in Trump's character. "I think we need to look harder at who we elect," Kelly said, adding, "I think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter: What is their character like? What are their ethics?"

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1252614]We trust experts because it is their job not their hobby like a politician. I love how you say the "experts" are "incorrect" about the coronavirus when we are literally learning about this on the fly. Real world scenarios are difficult to model and predict precisely because there are too many variables to control and predict their interactions. This is precisely why we use null hypotheses in order to validate correlations. If you are looking for absolutes in science you are not going to get it (there are even times when carbon has more than four bonds). The only absolutes are natural laws and that is not something that is used lightly.

In terms of weather forecasting a 7 day forecast accurately predicts the weather 80% of the time and a 5 day forecast accurately predicts the weather 90% of the time that is pretty damn good If those were batting averages they aren't even possible.[/quote]

I will take a wild guess that your definition of accurate is different than most people's. Your average Joe does not consider the weatherman to even be accurate 50% of the time. Since you admit your science is not exact why do most "scientists" constantly belittle people who question them?

I am pretty sure the only 80-90% accurate weatherman works in the lower elevation areas of Southern California where the weather rarely makes any measurable changes from day to day. I know how wildly inaccurate the weatherman is here as I am constantly duped into using weather forecasts to plain my work schedule if I am not that busy. I work in an uninsulated shop and my HVAC system in winter is portable heaters and in summer I just use fans.

Since even in a 1,000 square foot shop heating costs up to $5 an hour if I see warmer days forecast a day or so out if I am not busy I take a day off. Even 5-10 degrees warmer makes a big difference in how many heaters I have to fire up. Cold weather seems to last longer than predicted in winter 90% of the time.

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[url]https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1269296737014951938[/url]

Great twitter thread of the perpetual hypocrisy of Vox and the Covid threat...protest for me and not thee

Brain of a retard if you don’t see it.

Also strange no mention of the 15 people who have died during the protest and specifically 10 directly to rioting by the mainstream media.

Folks, 15 deaths isn’t peaceful...but you know that

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[quote=Chico23231;1252637][url]https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1269296737014951938[/url]

Great twitter thread of the perpetual hypocrisy of Vox and the Covid threat...protest for me and not thee

Brain of a retard if you don’t see it.

Also strange no mention of the 15 people who have died during the protest and specifically 10 directly to rioting by the mainstream media.

Folks, 15 deaths isn’t peaceful...but you know that[/quote]

I will take a wild guess that the hypocrisy is due to the demonstrators being mostly people likely to vote for Democrats. I don't usually go to Vox, but another guess of mine would be it leans left.

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Define accurate. I would call accurate being within +/- 5 degrees of the daily high and lows. When I was in Riverside Ca I would say the weatherman was pretty accurate. It is pretty easy to predict the weather there. A prediction of a high of 95 and low of 70, sunny and no rain would hit my definition of accurate almost every summer day.

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I'm just very confused. So were are supposed to be social distancing. This has been hammered into our fucking heads by the media. Some people in my condo building don't want to ride with anyone else. They are playing baseball and soccer games in Korea and Europe and there are no fans. NBA will have no fans. Everyone is acting like panic stricken freaks. But all across the world, people are packed in like sardines protesting? How do you explain this bullshit?

I'm a stones throw from DC. Sometimes I get fish at the market on Main Street. The mayor closed that shit down cause people were too close to one another, yet tens of thousands are marching and she doesn't care?

Someone who's smarter than me explain this nonsense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1252641]I'm just very confused. So were are supposed to be social distancing. This has been hammered into our fucking heads by the media. Some people in my condo building don't want to ride with anyone else. They are playing baseball and soccer games in Korea and Europe and there are no fans. NBA will have no fans. [B]Everyone is acting like panic stricken freaks[/B]. But all across the world, people are packed in like sardines protesting? How do you explain this bullshit?

I'm a stones throw from DC. Sometimes I get fish at the market on Main Street. The mayor closed that shit down cause people were too close to one another, yet tens of thousands are marching and she doesn't care?

Someone who's smarter than me explain this nonsense.[/quote]

Amen to that comment. The UPS man used to always leave the packages up against the house by the front or back door under the eaves. He now has been leaving them on the edge of the front brick patio eight feet away from the house. I get stuff a couple times a week, mostly machine shop supplies unavailable locally. Sometimes due to a noisy shop I often do no hear him.
Now my packages are not protected from rain, A lot of people I buy from use recycled cardboard boxes that rain turns to mush in no time flat.

So what is this guy's problem. Does he think I am going to come out of the house and sneeze on him and he wants an 8 foot head start? My girlfriend always sticks up for the people I complain about. She says it is probably just a new driver who is lazy.

To me that makes no sense, I live in an area where the homes are a minimum of usually 1/4 mile apart. There are also farms, and acreage people just use for hunting. I am sure any driver on my route does not make enough stops where cutting out 16 feet of walking on each adds up to much time.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1252641]I'm just very confused. So were are supposed to be social distancing. This has been hammered into our fucking heads by the media. Some people in my condo building don't want to ride with anyone else. They are playing baseball and soccer games in Korea and Europe and there are no fans. NBA will have no fans. Everyone is acting like panic stricken freaks. But all across the world, people are packed in like sardines protesting? How do you explain this bullshit?

I'm a stones throw from DC. Sometimes I get fish at the market on Main Street. The mayor closed that shit down cause people were too close to one another, yet tens of thousands are marching and she doesn't care?

Someone who's smarter than me explain this nonsense.[/quote]

She’s liar and a fraud.

Just look where all these police brutality events are happening, Democratic controlled areas with 30, 40, 50 years of trash policies with Overwhelming representation of Minorities and woman in positions of power : mayor, police chiefs, City counsil members, Police union leaders, etc. This is where the blame lies. At some point you have to ask yourself, why and how people keep voting in these folks who can’t solve the issues? They poverty pimps who maintain control and money keeping these same groups down.

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[quote=chico23231;1252646]she’s liar and a fraud.

Just look where all these police brutality events are happening, democratic controlled areas with 30, 40, 50 years of trash policies with overwhelming representation of minorities and woman in positions of power : Mayor, police chiefs, city counsil members, police union leaders, etc. This is where the blame lies. At some point you have to ask yourself, why and how people keep voting in these folks who can’t solve the issues? They poverty pimps who maintain control and money keeping these same groups down.[/quote]

lol,........................:d

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252629][B]I will take a wild guess[/B] that your definition of accurate is different than most people's. Your average Joe does not consider the weatherman to even be accurate 50% of the time. Since you admit your science is not exact why do most "scientists" constantly belittle people who question them?

I am pretty sure the only 80-90% accurate weatherman works in the lower elevation areas of Southern California where the weather rarely makes any measurable changes from day to day. I know how wildly inaccurate the weatherman is here as I am constantly duped into using weather forecasts to plain my work schedule if I am not that busy. I work in an uninsulated shop and my HVAC system in winter is portable heaters and in summer I just use fans.

Since even in a 1,000 square foot shop heating costs up to $5 an hour if I see warmer days forecast a day or so out if I am not busy I take a day off. Even 5-10 degrees warmer makes a big difference in how many heaters I have to fire up. Cold weather seems to last longer than predicted in winter 90% of the time.[/quote]

That is what you have been doing this entire time so why stop now?

First of it is not [B]my[B]science but just [B]science[/B]

You are probably right the average joe's perception of meteorologists does not match reality. There are thousands of peer reviewed studies that show are perceptions of the world both naturally and societal do not match reality. Look them up or if you prefer I will gather them for you.

I am using the textbook definition of accuracy in meteorology which is +/- 3 degrees Fahrenheit.

Based on how accurate you require weather conditions for proper mechanical function I can see why you have frustration when reports are off.

In regards to precipitation when you see 70% chance of precipitation that doesn't mean you will get rain rather 7 out of every 10 days with the exact same conditions will produce precipitation.

Mountains do add a degree of challenge due to micro-climates and other variables that are difficult to account for.

Based on your residence and the two major cities near your home here are the accuracy of different meteorology outlets for Richmond and Charlottesville

[url]https://www.forecastadvisor.com/detail/Virginia/Richmond/23250/[/url]

[url]https://www.forecastadvisor.com/detail/Virginia/Charlottesville/22903/[/url]

and Ashland

[url]https://www.forecastadvisor.com/detail/Virginia/Fredericksburg/22401/[/url]

Those forecasts are a bit below the 90% threshold but well above the 50% threshold with the exception of Persistence. I could not find any data from your local meteorologists but they tend to be very reliable more than the national meteorologists because they have a better understand of a regions micro climates.

In terms of your accusation of scientists belittling people that question them. I have no clue what you are talking about. I also am not sure by what you mean when you type "scientists" Science is based on skepticism. If you have ever been in a peer review it is down right brutal the questioning that occurs. My guess is that the "scientist" you are speaking of keeps providing the data and the person questioning them does not have any scientific data just anecdotes or beliefs. I see that a lot when representatives and senators question scientists.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252646]She’s liar and a fraud.

Just look where all these police brutality events are happening, Democratic controlled areas with 30, 40, 50 years of trash policies with Overwhelming representation of Minorities and woman in positions of power : mayor, police chiefs, City counsil members, Police union leaders, etc. This is where the blame lies. At some point you have to ask yourself, why and how people keep voting in these folks who can’t solve the issues? They poverty pimps who maintain control and money keeping these same groups down.[/quote]

To an extent I agree but I think that communities do need to invest in themselves and not wait for city hall to fix their problems.

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Went to a protest today, definitely eye opening for a middle age white dude. A lot of struggles in the country I was blind too or it was just a headline on a web site.
The protest I attended was very peaceful and was focused on change. Change in the polls and change in the black community.

I encourage everyone to attend a protest.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1252650]To an extent I agree but I think that communities do need to invest in themselves and not wait for city hall to fix their problems.[/quote]

[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/shaun-king-democrats-run-the-cities-with-worst-police-brutality[/url]

Shaun King: Democrats Run The Cities With Worst Police Brutality

In the past 50 years, $22 trillion has been spent on poverty programs. [B]Seventy percent goes not to the poor but those who serve poor people,[/B]” he said. “So many of those people taking office use this money to create a class of people who are running these cities, and now after 50 years of liberal Democrats running the inner cities, where we have all of these inequities that we have, race is being used as a ruse, as a means of deflecting attention away from critical questions such as, why are poor blacks failing in systems run by their own people? It’s more class than it is race … and now race is being used to deflect attention away from the failures of people running those institutions. The question is why are black kids failing in school systems run by their own people?”


It’s a fucking embarrassment...this is why I say poverty pimps. They making a fortune keeping their own people down.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252656][url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/shaun-king-democrats-run-the-cities-with-worst-police-brutality[/url]




It’s a fucking embarrassment....[/quote]

So is your BS bias agenda.

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[url]https://twitter.com/dh_simba7?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor[/url]

Dwayne Haskins twitter.

Active, engaged and positive. I like him.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1252431]Worrying about dollars and worrying about peoples lives are not the same. You see a reversal of narrative I see a sticking to the narrative; public health and life are more important.

In terms of data I'm sorry it is just not true here is some peer reviewed papers for you to help you better understand what is going on:

[url]https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793[/url]

[url]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/lasr.12366[/url]

[url]https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2018.304559[/url]

There is a significant gap in training in police forces. Especially when it comes to mental health and social emotional disabilities both of which impact African Americans at a higher rate. Going further African Americans males receive longer sentences than white males for the same crime ([url]https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing[/url]) This leads to likely increases in recidivism leading to increased police interactions.

For the record I am not anti-police as with any profession that vast majority are honest and hardworking people. That does not mean that they handle situations appropriately. We have as a society decided not to fund and properly train our police compared to other developed countries.[/quote]

I forget what link...but the information about black vs white sentencing is fairly legit from other sources I checked. I’d like to see more information on that to combat it...I would suspect it’s certain areas of the country. I’d like to see data and believe there is opportunity for reforms.

I also did a little digging about the school arrests and transitioning towards prison...there is opportunity there I believe mental health reform early in schools should be a norm as a school nurse. It’s shocking to see arrest figures so high in schools...but equally shocking is the violence against teachers which has steady risen over 15 years..:where gun violence in school has declined.

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This didnt seem right so I looked it up to see if it would be accurate for Maryland. Pretty close to accurate.

Maryland barber school - 32 weeks
[url]http://www.academyofbarbers.info/curriculum.html[/url]

Baltimore County Police Officer Training - 27 weeks
[url]https://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Agencies/police/careers/academy.html[/url]

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[quote=SunnySide;1252670][IMG]https://i.redd.it/po4gu6a3nj351.jpg[/IMG]

This didnt seem right so I looked it up to see if it would be accurate for Maryland. Pretty close to accurate.

Maryland barber school - 32 weeks
[url]http://www.academyofbarbers.info/curriculum.html[/url]

Baltimore County Police Officer Training - 27 weeks
[url]https://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Agencies/police/careers/academy.html[/url][/quote]

The regulations of barber and hairdressers are retarded. It’s been widely criticized but big government loves to big government.

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You love using that word.

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oops

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/06/08/theres-a-glaring-misleading-error-in-the-may-jobs-report-us-may-be-at-20-unemployment/#3bba6ab460d3"]There’s A Glaring, Misleading Error In The May Jobs Report: U.S. May Be At 20% Unemployment[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1252676]oops

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/06/08/theres-a-glaring-misleading-error-in-the-may-jobs-report-us-may-be-at-20-unemployment/#3bba6ab460d3"]There’s A Glaring, Misleading Error In The May Jobs Report: U.S. May Be At 20% Unemployment[/URL][/quote]

Lol...BLS need to fire someone, I mean 2 months in a row? Not a good look

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[quote=SunnySide;1252670][IMG]https://i.redd.it/po4gu6a3nj351.jpg[/IMG]

This didnt seem right so I looked it up to see if it would be accurate for Maryland. Pretty close to accurate.

Maryland barber school - 32 weeks
[url]http://www.academyofbarbers.info/curriculum.html[/url]

Baltimore County Police Officer Training - 27 weeks
[url]https://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Agencies/police/careers/academy.html[/url][/quote]

As someone who has personally known plenty of cops, one of them I let him use me as a practice dummy for confrontation training (decades ago). I believe the academy training to be sufficient. What should be added is a yearly extensive psychological evaluation as the job does change people. I would also like to stop the nonsense of being too intelligent disqualifying people to be cops. I believe they should not only allow the highly intelligent in they should enter with a rank.

The resentment from those that "paid their dues" might break up some of this blue brotherhood crap that has to go. I believe any cop caught lying to keep a fellow officer out of trouble or convict a suspect needs to loose his badge and pension. Also interrogation tactics need to change, lying, threatening, and depriving people of food, water, and sleep need to be a thing of the past.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252681]As someone who has personally known plenty of cops, one of them I let him use me as a practice dummy for confrontation training (decades ago). I believe the academy training to be sufficient. What should be added is a yearly extensive psychological evaluation as the job does change people. I would also like to stop the nonsense of being too intelligent disqualifying people to be cops. I believe they should not only allow the highly intelligent in they should enter with a rank.

The resentment from those that "paid their dues" might break up some of this blue brotherhood crap that has to go. I believe any cop caught lying to keep a fellow officer out of trouble or convict a suspect needs to loose his badge and pension. Also interrogation tactics need to change, lying, threatening, and depriving people of food, water, and sleep need to be a thing of the past.[/quote]

There was a Netflix show a while back about those kind of confessions. It's shocking how much the court systems look the other way just so that they can put someone in jail and consider the case closed. It really makes you wonder how many innocent people are in jail.

What do you think the actual correct percentage is for cases that have closed outcomes? I'm going to guess as a layman here and say somewhere around 85 - 90%.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1252682]There was a Netflix show a while back about those kind of confessions. It's shocking how much the court systems look the other way just so that they can put someone in jail and consider the case closed. It really makes you wonder how many innocent people are in jail.

What do you think the actual correct percentage is for cases that have closed outcomes? I'm going to guess as a layman here and say somewhere around 85 - 90%.[/quote]

At least with DNA these days no one will probably go down for a murder or rape they did not commit.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252683]At least with DNA these days no one will probably go down for a murder or rape they did not commit.[/quote]

Was on a rape case last year. DNA is not like CSI Miami, basically it’s not the smoking gun everyone thinks it is.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252669]I forget what link...but the information about black vs white sentencing is fairly legit from other sources I checked. I’d like to see more information on that to combat it...I would suspect it’s certain areas of the country. I’d like to see data and believe there is opportunity for reforms.

I also did a little digging about the school arrests and transitioning towards prison...there is opportunity there I believe mental health reform early in schools should be a norm as a school nurse. It’s shocking to see arrest figures so high in schools...but equally shocking is the violence against teachers which has steady risen over 15 years..:where gun violence in school has declined.[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head on why I am very pro universal pre k. We have seen school districts that implement it see a reduction in costs per a pupil because we can address social emotional and educational needs earlier and therefore spend less on that when students are older. The school arrests stems IMO from lack of training of a lot of school resource officers (SROs) not being trained on student needs and disabilities and only on discipline. Routine disorders like oppositional defiant disorder are easily perceived as non disorder based attitudes by those in authority. I know personally I have lost my shit when I wanted a student to pick up a paper he crumpled and tossed on the floor when I needed to use a more appropriate technique.

In terms of teacher violence that is a hot button issue in my district and we are not getting the support from the superintendent's office. I think a lot of administrations are fearful of disciplining students for extreme behavior because it counts as negative numbers for a school. This leads to that behavior being perceived as acceptable. They are still teenagers after all.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252672]The regulations of barber and hairdressers are retarded. It’s been widely criticized but big government loves to big government.[/quote]

Chico we know you are big government when it comes to hairdressers don't lie.

Chico's government regulations

1. Must be a woman and not those who identify...a real one
2. Must be semi attractive...Or ok looking with a great attitude about life. If your hot and complain, don’t touch fuckin hair.
3. Not married.
4. Must give great hair.
5. Large breasts to nuzzle head in between while receiving haircut

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[url]https://news.wttw.com/2020/06/05/what-are-we-going-have-left-our-community-aldermen-react-panic-sorrow-unrest[/url]

Just wow, Terrible to hear.

Unbelievable in Chicago...looting and rioting Over the weekend in a perpetual war zone. Don’t expect the media to cover it. One thousand percent not peaceful.

Also: [url]https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime[/url]

18 murders in 24 hours: Inside the most violent day in 60 years in Chicago.

When Is Chicago gonna get serious? I find it interesting some in the article are blaming the police...whatever the police do, if they help or actually do their job, then they are the enemy...when they are not there, then it’s “Why aren’t the police doing their job?”...