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lol posts news links... proclaims media won't cover it

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[quote=MTK;1252698]lol posts news links... proclaims media won't cover it[/quote]

They were probably not easy to dig up. Do you seriously think the mostly liberal media tells the whole story? What is the percentage of the public that knows George Floyd had a history of drug use and committing violent crimes? Instead of telling the real story of his past he is portrayed as the gentle giant, what a joke.

Most everyone who dies at the hands of police contributes to their bad experience, George Floyd was no exception.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252699]They were probably not easy to dig up. Do you seriously think the mostly liberal media tells the whole story? What is the percentage of the public that knows George Floyd had a history of drug use and committing violent crimes? Instead of telling the real story of his past he is portrayed as the gentle giant, what a joke.

Most everyone who dies at the hands of police contributes to their bad experience, George Floyd was no exception.[/quote]

Not easy to dig up lol, I googled Chicago protests and see plenty of links.

As far as Floyd who cares about his past, his past in no way justified him being murdered by the cops.

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[quote=MTK;1252700]Not easy to dig up lol, I googled Chicago protests and see plenty of links.

As far as Floyd who cares about his past, his past in no way justified him being murdered by the cops.[/quote]

His past does not justify him being murdered by police, but portraying him as a model citizen creates a false narrative that everyone needs to fear the police.
Police kill more white people than black people, almost everyone killed by police had a history of drug use and committing crimes. In spite of this the media portrays the police of constantly killing "innocent" black people. That is a big fat lie that strikes fear in people that can lead to them causing a bad interaction with police that did not need to happen. The media divides people, they cause a lot more harm than they do good, too bad 1/2 the population is blind to this.

Go ahead, find me someone killed by police who was clean and sober and had not recently committed a crime or had a rap sheet.

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You and a friend are standing in the middle of a completely dark room.

Your friend has a flashlight.

You can only see what your friend shows you with the flashlight. Maybe the flashlight is showing a coffee cup sitting on a desk but you cannot see anything else around it.

The "media" is your friend with the flashlight.

Article titled "Coffee cup sitting on desk" is an accurate, factually correct fact.

To say its "fake news" because the article doesnt go into whose cup it is or what is in the cup is a stretch imo. Bias? Perhaps

Good news? Read 3 articles from 3 different news sources and youll get to see 3 times as much. One shows us the cup. one shows us the empty bottle of bourbon. One shows us the name on the desk. The name placard says "Buffalo Bob".

We now know Buffalo Bob likes to drink bourbon out of coffee cups.

Why do you drink it out of a coffee cup bob? is it so your girlfriend thinks its coffee? What are you hiding bob?!?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252701]His past does not justify him being murdered by police, but portraying him as a model citizen creates a false narrative that everyone needs to fear the police.
Police kill more white people than black people, almost everyone killed by police had a history of drug use and committing crimes. In spite of this the media portrays the police of constantly killing "innocent" black people. That is a big fat lie that strikes fear in people that can lead to them causing a bad interaction with police that did not need to happen. The media divides people, they cause a lot more harm than they do good, too bad 1/2 the population is blind to this.

[B]Go ahead, find me someone killed by police who was clean and sober and had not recently committed a crime or had a rap sheet[/B].[/quote]

His past doesn't make him "guilty" at the time of his death

His past doesn't matter

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[quote=MTK;1252703]His past doesn't make him "guilty" at the time of his death

His past doesn't matter[/quote]

You seem to refuse to listen to logic.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252701]
Go ahead, find me someone killed by police who was clean and sober and had not recently committed a crime or had a rap sheet.[/quote]

uhhh ...... Breona Taylor.

26, sleeping in bed, EMT.

[IMG]https://www.wtvq.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/breonna-taylor.jpg[/IMG]

Come on Bob ... if you didnt hear about her ... maybe its not the media that is bias, maybe its the viewer who only wants to see what his friend with the flashlight is showing him.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252704]You seem to refuse to listen to logic.[/quote]

Define logic because I'm not seeing it.

I don't care what anyone has done in their past, if they're murdered by a cop it's wrong, period.

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[quote=SunnySide;1252705]uhhh ...... Breona Taylor.

26, sleeping in bed, EMT.

[IMG]https://www.wtvq.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/breonna-taylor.jpg[/IMG]

Come on Bob ... if you didnt hear about her ... maybe its not the media that is bias, maybe its the viewer who only wants to see what his friend with the flashlight is showing him.[/quote]

I remember her, she is a rare case. They definitely need to raise the standards for no knock warrants.

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[quote=MTK;1252706]Define logic because I'm not seeing it.

I don't care what anyone has done in their past, if they're murdered by a cop it's wrong, period.[/quote]

I suppose your fine with the media portraying that victims of police brutality did not contribute to the bad outcome. It is a false narrative that causes an unjust fear of police.

For the record I have a low opinion of the police, but most of them should not be feared by law abiding citizens.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252708]I suppose your fine with the media portraying that victims of police brutality did not contribute to the bad outcome. It is a false narrative that causes an unjust fear of police.

For the record I have a low opinion of the police, but most of them should not be feared by law abiding citizens.[/quote]

How did Floyd's past contribute to him being choked out in the street?

You keep playing the blame the victim card and it's total BS

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[quote=SunnySide;1252705]uhhh ...... Breona Taylor.

26, sleeping in bed, EMT.

[IMG]https://www.wtvq.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/breonna-taylor.jpg[/IMG]

Come on Bob ... if you didnt hear about her ... maybe its not the media that is bias, maybe its the viewer who only wants to see what his friend with the flashlight is showing him.[/quote]

I'm sure she shoplifted, jaywalked, or maybe smoked a joint at some point in her life :doh:

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[quote=MTK;1252710]How did Floyd's past contribute to him being choked out in the street?

You keep playing the blame the victim card and it's total BS[/quote]

What about the pregnant lady George Floyd threatened with a gun during a home invasion robbery? George Floyd was a "victim" of the way he conducted himself. Once again the cop who killed him was 100% wrong, but George Floyd's life style contributed to his chances of having a bad interaction with police.
I blame both the cops and the "victim", in this case.

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Bob, you can certainly think and hold whatever opinion you want .... but if you think a robbery in 2007 has anything to do with what happened in 2020, let alone arise to the level of thinking "I blame both of them" ....

Your opinions are not logical.

Youre bias.

You are the one looking for any reason or justification that comports or confirms to your previously held bias before you knew one thing about George Floyds death.

Im disappointed in you today Bob.

Bad Bob.

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Here are some liberal media outlets that have all talked about Floyd's past:
[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52871936[/url]

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/us/george-floyd-who-is.html[/url]

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/29/george-floyd-who-was-he-his-friends-words[/url]


Not hiding putting far out there.

Here is how a site that labels itself as a rightwing site that specializes in misinformation website puts it:

[url]https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/[/url]

I just don't see how events from 2007 have any bearing in 2020. T

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Trump hitting a new low

[URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/09/trump-conspiracy-theory-protester-buffalo-cops-308716"]Trump floats conspiracy theory about 75-year-old protester shoved by Buffalo cops[/URL]

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[quote=SunnySide;1252714]Bob, you can certainly think and hold whatever opinion you want .... but if you think a robbery in 2007 has anything to do with what happened in 2020, let alone arise to the level of thinking "I blame both of them" ....

Your opinions are not logical.

Youre bias.

You are the one looking for any reason or justification that comports or confirms to your previously held bias before you knew one thing about George Floyds death.

Im disappointed in you today Bob.

Bad Bob.[/quote]

You are twisting my words. Plain and simple, the more crimes you commit the more likely the chances of a negative interaction with police. I admit there are certain behaviors I do not give second chances for. To me someone who raises a hand to a woman shows a character flaw that is unlikely to be fixed.
George Floyd stuck a gun in a pregnant woman's stomach, bad,bad,bad, I do not care if he did it 50 years ago. I do not forgive such behavior.

For the record I have a piece of trash nephew who resides in an Idaho prison. He seems to have parlayed 2-5 in to 7 years and counting. He is up for parole in October this year with full sentence completion in 2023. He is a sociopath who brags about his long juvenile rap sheet. His current jail stint started when he was 18. If he ends up being killed by police I will neither be shocked or care, the world is a better place without him in it. He has had plenty of chances to turn his life around, but refuses to do it. I am not one of those blood is thicker than water people.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1252715]

I just don't see how events from 2007 have any bearing in 2020. T[/quote]

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, that is psychology 101.
I swear it seems a lot of liberals are pro criminal.

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[quote=MTK;1252716]Trump hitting a new low

[URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/09/trump-conspiracy-theory-protester-buffalo-cops-308716"]Trump floats conspiracy theory about 75-year-old protester shoved by Buffalo cops[/URL][/quote]

The guy was bleeding pretty badly. What a first class asshole.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1252720]The guy was bleeding pretty badly. What a first class asshole.[/quote]

He was trying to provoke the police, that is as obvious as his head hitting the pavement.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252722]He was trying to provoke the police, that is as obvious as his head hitting the pavement.[/quote]

I'm not at all surprised you went there, but I don't have the energy to keep banging my head on the wall today.

The story here though is the President is perpetuating conspiracy theories. It's just insane to me that we have a President tweeting out this horseshit. Absolutely no one should be ok with this.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1252720]The guy was bleeding pretty badly. What a first class asshole.[/quote]

Nah, that blood was a super-deep state fakeout, I saw this one video where he had one of those movie blood packets taped to the back of his head.

You gotta stop believing everything the librul media tells you.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252719]The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, that is psychology 101.
I swear it seems a lot of liberals are pro criminal.[/quote]

No doubt, but what is more important his past behavior in Texas or his past behavior in Minnesota in regards to how he is viewed by police in Minnesota?

Here is his criminal history in Minnesota

[url]https://chs.state.mn.us/Search/SubmitChsSearch[/url]

The last 6 years of his life.

You want to say he should be punished for what he did in 2007? No arguments here but to basically say it was only a matter of time based on past history is just plain silly.

I am not pro criminal either I am not even sure what the hell that means.

Lastly, if you are going to label me label me correctly I am not a liberal I am a socialist. If you are going to demonize me do it correctly and give me the accurate title of evilness I deserve.

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[quote=MTK;1252723]I'm not at all surprised you went there, but I don't have the energy to keep banging my head on the wall today.

The story here though is the President is perpetuating conspiracy theories. It's just insane to me that we have a President tweeting out this horseshit. Absolutely no one should be ok with this.[/quote]

You know when I first heard this I thought REALLY? Trump you dumbass,but after watching that video on the IAN network I think it's called,I don't know what that old man was doing with his phone but he was definitely doing something weird with it,now was he trying to scan something I don't know but it doesnt look like he was holding it in a way you normally would.
Trump still shouldnt be tweeting stupid shit but I'm not surprised

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[quote=htownskinfan;1252731]You know when I first heard this I thought REALLY? Trump you dumbass,but after watching that video on the IAN network I think it's called,I don't know what that old man was doing with his phone but he was definitely doing something weird with it,now was he trying to scan something I don't know but it doesnt look like he was holding it in a way you normally would.
Trump still shouldnt be tweeting stupid shit but I'm not surprised[/quote]

Trump is a dumbass, no doubt, but there was some truth to his statements. It appears a lot of people chose to ignore what led up to the old man getting shoved to the ground. He deliberately was provoking the police, plain and simple.
He should of been arrested, not shoved to the ground. The cops were wrong and so was he.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1252729]

You want to say he should be punished for what he did in 2007? No arguments here but to basically say it was only a matter of time based on past history is just plain silly.

[/quote]

Most of the people that have lethal run ins with police are not average citizens, that cannot be denied. Their behavior increases the chances of a bad experience with police. Are you trying to tell me that isn't true? My rap sheet has a couple speeding tickets, driving with a cracked windshield and a couple parking tickets, in 43 years of driving. No criminal offenses on my record. How do you think a cop is going to act when he comes up to my vehicle compared to someone with multiple stints in jail, some for violent offenses?

Just the person's past will put the cop on high alert, which could lead to problems.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1252733]Trump is a dumbass, no doubt, but there was some truth to his statements. It appears a lot of people chose to ignore what led up to the old man getting shoved to the ground. He deliberately was provoking the police, plain and simple.
He should of been arrested, not shoved to the ground. The cops were wrong and so was he.[/QUOTE]


What truth?

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This is the President of the USA and he is tweeting this shit. His days are numbered.

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[quote=MTK;1252735]What truth?

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So in your view the guy was not
provoking the police?

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1252737]So in your view the guy was not
provoking the police?[/QUOTE]


He was returning a police helmet to them, no idea what sort of threat a 75 year old man could pose to cops in riot gear anyway.

So what truths are in Trump’s wacked out conspiracy theory?


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It gets better

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[quote=MTK;1252716]Trump hitting a new low

[URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/09/trump-conspiracy-theory-protester-buffalo-cops-308716"]Trump floats conspiracy theory about 75-year-old protester shoved by Buffalo cops[/URL][/quote]

I heard about this. Haven't looked into it at all. Trump could easily be/probably is the asshole here or he could be correct. But imo it doesn't matter. You don't have to share every opinion you ever have. Its OK to STFU!!! Especially as President. Just STFU! He is going on 80, so this lesson will always allude him apparently. Like what possible benefit did he think would come out of this post? It's frustrating because I like his policies in general (not talking COVID or the protests stuff, just back when life was normal). It makes common folk supporters like myself always on defense. Offense is more fun and take away the dumb fuckery there are some good arguments (from the conservative side) that he was doing good things here.

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Y'all wanna have some good reading. Read Tom Cotton's oped in the NYT. But skip the article. Go straight to the comments. Cotton is either Hitler reincarnated or the next president of the USA.

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[quote=MTK;1252739]He was returning a police helmet to them, no idea what sort of threat a 75 year old man could pose to cops in riot gear anyway.

So what truths are in Trump’s wacked out conspiracy theory?


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Try looking at things objectively, that is probably impossible. Returning a police helmet? What was he doing with his cell phone?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252737]So in your view the guy was not
provoking the police?[/quote]

15 to 20 police officers in their 20's and 30's dressed to the hilt in riot gear and armed against a 75 year old white guy who was unarmed. Seriously, come on!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252743]Try looking at things objectively, that is probably impossible.[/quote]

LOL,like you? You're not bias at all are you?:laughing-

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252743]Try looking at things objectively, that is probably impossible. Returning a police helmet? What was he doing with his cell phone?[/quote]

Objectively speaking, he does have a helmet in one of his hands as he's walking over to them. What was he doing with his phone? Who knows without audio and he hasn't made a statement yet. To me it looks like he was just talking and gesturing with the hand he was holding the phone with. Either way the situation escalated way too quickly and the police response was 100% incorrect.

[URL="https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/martin-gugino-buffalo-man-pushed-by-police-is-long-time-activist/"]Martin Gugino, Buffalo man pushed by police, is long-time peace activist[/URL]

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252734]Most of the people that have lethal run ins with police are not average citizens, that cannot be denied. Their behavior increases the chances of a bad experience with police. Are you trying to tell me that isn't true? My rap sheet has a couple speeding tickets, driving with a cracked windshield and a couple parking tickets, in 43 years of driving. No criminal offenses on my record. How do you think a cop is going to act when he comes up to my vehicle compared to someone with multiple stints in jail, some for violent offenses?

Just the person's past will put the cop on high alert, which could lead to problems.[/quote]

If police access that data prior to interacting with a suspect I am sure it leads to bias for a person but in this incident Floyd was already in police custody, they had him in handcuffs and he was sitting in a passenger seat of a car. I really don't see how his past justifies what follows.

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[quote=MTK;1252747]Objectively speaking, he does have a helmet in one of his hands as he's walking over to them. What was he doing with his phone? Who knows without audio and he hasn't made a statement yet. To me it looks like he was just talking and gesturing with the hand he was holding the phone with. Either way the situation escalated way too quickly and the police response was 100% incorrect.

[URL="https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/martin-gugino-buffalo-man-pushed-by-police-is-long-time-activist/"]Martin Gugino, Buffalo man pushed by police, is long-time peace activist[/URL][/quote]

The whole thing is crazy. The initial cover up by police that he tripped and fell, the we were just following orders and clearing the square, to the resignation from the riot unit and now we get to the real bogeyman Antifa! The ironically proclaimed organized anarchist organization I swear it is from a Stanley Kubrick movie or could be a chapter in a modern day Catch-22 novel.