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[quote=MTK;1252735]What truth?

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Shit like this is so fucking ridiculous, seriously one of the dumbest thing I’ve i ever heard.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1252749]The whole thing is crazy. The initial cover up by police that he tripped and fell, the we were just following orders and clearing the square, to the resignation from the riot unit and now we get to the real bogeyman Antifa! The ironically proclaimed organized anarchist organization I swear it is from a Stanley Kubrick movie or could be a chapter in a modern day Catch-22 novel.[/quote]

we're basically living out a black mirror episode, hope it's over soon

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[quote=MTK;1252698]lol posts news links... proclaims media won't cover it[/quote]

Outside of ABC New and obviously Chicago media, it’s purposely not covered by mainstream media. Everyone knows why, it’s no great secret.

Chicago is a shithole, run by Democrat trash for years. Go read the crimes and about the victims. The folks committing these acts should be vilified and called out, most are kids. What kinda trash raises kids like this?

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[quote=Giantone;1252745]LOL,like you? You're not bias at all are you?:laughing-[/quote]

I see fault from both sides in the incident with the old man shoved by police, as I do with George Floyd, cops 100% wrong, but as usual the "victim" contributed to the bad outcome. I can guarantee I won't get assaulted by police from now till they plant me in the ground. For the record I have a negative view of cops, having grown up around them.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252754]Outside of ABC New and obviously Chicago media, it’s purposely not covered by mainstream media. Everyone knows why, it’s no great secret.

Chicago is a shithole, run by Democrat trash for years. Go read the crimes and about the victims. The folks committing these acts should be vilified and called out, most are kids. What kinda trash raises kids like this?[/quote]

I haven't been to Chicago since 2007 (pre kids) but I used to love it. The old neighborhoods. Love some good polish food. Went to a Polish Festival saw the Kielbasa Queen and tried to get her to sample my kielbasa. The L was like a clean quiet New York subway. That was a different time.

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Took a long weekend trip to Chicago in 2011 and had a great time. Great food city.

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I was there in 2005 taking a course with USA Track & Field when the Red Sox were playing the Cubs for the first time since 1918. I geeked out at the chance to go to Wrigley to watch and paid way more for tickets than I should have but worth it till this day if you ask me.

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Lol 18 murdered in a single day in a US city and nobody gives a flying fuck and nobody should...got it.

Yet a some bullshit 75 year old gets pushed down after he put his hands on a cop = panties in a bunch.

Lol amazing

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[quote=Chico23231;1252754]Outside of ABC New and obviously Chicago media, it’s purposely not covered by mainstream media. Everyone knows why, it’s no great secret.

Chicago is a shithole, run by Democrat trash for years. Go read the crimes and about the victims. The folks committing these acts should be vilified and called out, most are kids. What kinda trash raises kids like this?[/quote]

Is this mainstream enough?

[URL="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52984535"]BBC[/URL]

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/08/18-people-were-murdered-in-chicago-on-may-31-making-it-the-citys-single-deadliest-day-in-60-years/#736bf3be7fb7"]Forbes[/URL]

[URL="https://news.yahoo.com/chicago-sees-deadliest-weekend-gun-165154732.html"]Yahoo[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/us/chicago-violence-guns.html"]NY Times[/URL]

It's obviously a big problem there not sure what else to say, gun violence has been a problem there for years now.

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Chicago is a shit hole right now. No doubt. When I see shit like that the change has to come from the community. They have to stop relying on politicians to fix everything for them and have ownership in their community. You can't complain about gang activity and then not help the police if you have information about gang related violence. It is not a one way street.
The way I see it is different from you though.

Citizen on citizen murder is sad. When those we trust with power to protect us hurt citizens that makes me angry.

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[URL="https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/the-internet-responds-to-people-only-just-realising-rage-against-the-machine-are-political/"]THE INTERNET RESPONDS TO PEOPLE ONLY JUST REALISING RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE ARE POLITICAL[/URL]

Just hilarious

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[quote=MTK;1252760]Is this mainstream enough?

[URL="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52984535"]BBC[/URL]

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/08/18-people-were-murdered-in-chicago-on-may-31-making-it-the-citys-single-deadliest-day-in-60-years/#736bf3be7fb7"]Forbes[/URL]

[URL="https://news.yahoo.com/chicago-sees-deadliest-weekend-gun-165154732.html"]Yahoo[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/us/chicago-violence-guns.html"]NY Times[/URL]

It's obviously a big problem there not sure what else to say, gun violence has been a problem there for years now.[/quote]


NYT didn’t run an article, that’s from 2019. Yahoo Didn’t write one...pushed one from National Review. BBC isn’t mainstream media. It’s not being covered...

If it was a single person killing 18...top news story in the world. A cop killed one, larger coverage. A racial element of a white guy shooting a black guy...big story.

I would bet 18 murders single day in separate incidents in a city...is this a record?

We have to acknowledge a blindspot in the media and political narrative.

And what really gets me angry, 2 18 girls shot and killed who were college students. Trying to do the right way, seeking higher education to better themselves...it’s ashamed. Folks should be marching for these 2.

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[quote=MTK;1252762][URL="https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/the-internet-responds-to-people-only-just-realising-rage-against-the-machine-are-political/"]THE INTERNET RESPONDS TO PEOPLE ONLY JUST REALISING RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE ARE POLITICAL[/URL]

Just hilarious[/quote]

So what. Who the hell cares? Do you think everybody should follow and care about all the same things you do?

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[quote=Chico23231;1252763]NYT didn’t run an article, that’s from 2019. Yahoo Didn’t write one...pushed one from National Review. BBC isn’t mainstream media. It’s not being covered...

If it was a single person killing 18...top news story in the world. A cop killed one, larger coverage. A racial element of a white guy shooting a black guy...big story.

I would bet 18 murders single day in separate incidents in a city...is this a record?

We have to acknowledge a blindspot in the media and political narrative.

And what really gets me angry, 2 18 girls shot and killed who were college students. Trying to do the right way, seeking higher education to better themselves...it’s ashamed. Folks should be marching for these 2.[/quote]

Given the fact gun violence has been a long running problem in Chicago it's not hard to see why it's not exactly a red hot topic. Not saying that's right.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252764]So what. Who the hell cares? Do you think everybody should follow and care about all the same things you do?[/quote]

Feel free to not respond in the future if something doesn't interest you. It's how this message board thing works.

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I think rubber bullets need to be banned.

The pepper balls sound much more non-lethal.

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^^^^^

Damn, had no idea those things fucked you up like that. That is some serious damage.

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I read that at least 8 people have lost eyes due to rubber bullets and cops are apparently aiming for the head


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[URL="https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/hateful-white-men-mock-george-floyds-death-at-nj-protests/"]‘Hateful’ white men mock George Floyd’s death at NJ protests[/URL]

just ugly

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[quote=MTK;1252775]I read that at least 8 people have lost eyes due to rubber bullets and cops are apparently aiming for the head

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I'm not the protesting type anyways, but definitely ain't going anywhere near where cops are using those.

Read an article where some guy got shot in the testicle and had to have emergency surgery.

Not sure what the answer is, but there has to be a better option. I'd rather be tased than shot with one of those.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252759]Lol 18 murdered in a single day in a US city and nobody gives a flying fuck and nobody should...got it.

Yet a some bullshit 75 year old gets pushed down after he put his hands on a cop = panties in a bunch.

Lol amazing[/quote]

What was the Republican solution to citizen on citizen violence that they apparently haven't been able to enact yet? Just curious because I wasn't aware that was an easily solvable problem.

LEO on citizen violence is easy to make noise about because LEO are trusted with higher authority. They have the authority to end a citizen's life on their word alone, which is exactly what would've happened if somebody didn't film Floyd's death. 10 out of 10 times a judge is going to take an officer's word over a citizen's.

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[quote=mooby;1252780]What was the Republican solution to citizen on citizen violence that they apparently haven't been able to enact yet? Just curious because I wasn't aware that was an easily solvable problem.

LEO on citizen violence is easy to make noise about because LEO are trusted with higher authority. They have the authority to end a citizen's life on their word alone, which is exactly what would've happened if somebody didn't film Floyd's death. 10 out of 10 times a judge is going to take an officer's word over a citizen's.[/quote]

Hard to legislate making people value life. Definitely no easy fix. Most of the changes need to be made individually and at the community level, not in state capitals/DC.

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[quote=MTK;1252775]I read that at least 8 people have lost eyes due to rubber bullets and cops are apparently aiming for the head


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Yeah cops are aiming for eyes...I’m sure

Look if you don’t want to be a cyclops, how about not riot? That would be nice

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[quote=Chico23231;1252783]Yeah cops are aiming for eyes...I’m sure

Look if you don’t want to be a cyclops, how about not riot? That would be nice[/quote]

So you think no peaceful protesters have been injured? Just rioters and looters?

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Yeah I tend to believe headshots are intentional. Cops know what they're doing with a gun.

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[quote=mooby;1252780]What was the Republican solution to citizen on citizen violence that they apparently haven't been able to enact yet? Just curious because I wasn't aware that was an easily solvable problem.

LEO on citizen violence is easy to make noise about because LEO are trusted with higher authority. They have the authority to end a citizen's life on their word alone, which is exactly what would've happened if somebody didn't film Floyd's death. 10 out of 10 times a judge is going to take an officer's word over a citizen's.[/quote]

“Citizen on citizen violence” or 87 shootings with 18 murders within 24 hours. Don’t try to make it pretty, it ain’t and it’s a fuckin embarrassment.

Policy wise there is a lot id do...but fuck that mooby, let’s talk about woke-actions and power to the people:

Well first thing we are gonna do is march, then make some signs, maybe riot and loot some shoe stores, ( BYOSP)bring your own spray paint and vandalize, yell “defund gang activity”, some smoke weed, and then do the same thing tomorrow. You in?

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[quote=MTK;1252785]Yeah I tend to believe headshots are intentional. Cops know what they're doing with a gun.[/quote]

Look we are all mad and demand change for the injustice over the muder of George Floyd. But we need to stop with the cop hate, it’s a bit much. They are not using these tactics on peaceful protest. A lot of the protest have been violent with attacks on police as well as looting and rioting...it will not be tolerated...it’s that simple. Peaceful protest or run the risk of rubber bullets.

I see a lot of folks in the pictures wearing them like a lil badge of courage...they def gonna be showing them off to friends.

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[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-officer-shoves-woman-george-floyd-protests-video-2020-5"]NYPD officer violently shoves woman during George Floyd protest, prompting city councilman to call for assault charge[/URL]

What about this? Was she rioting?

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Without even doing any research, my knowledge of ballistics from being a life long gun owner and being able to shoot right off my back porch tells me rubber bullets are probably less accurate than a bullet fired from a smooth bore pre civil war muzzle loading rifle. As trained with other weapons cops are aiming for center mass, bullet paths from rubber bullets are erratic and can end up in a very wide pattern.

Of course cop hating liberals that would not know a 9mm from a pellet pistol know more about ballistics than I do. They believe cops can easily hit someone in the eye on purpose with a rubber bullet, probably because that is what the liberal media leads them to believe.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252790]Without even doing any research, my knowledge of ballistics from being a life long gun owner and being able to shoot right off my back porch tells me rubber bullets are probably less accurate than a bullet fired from a smooth bore pre civil war muzzle loading rifle. As trained with other weapons cops are aiming for center mass, bullet paths from rubber bullets are erratic and can end up in a very wide pattern.

Of course cop hating liberals that would not know a 9mm from a pellet pistol know more about ballistics than I do. They believe cops can easily hit someone in the eye on purpose with a rubber bullet, probably because that is what the liberal media leads them to believe.[/quote]

Excellent point Bob.

I agree with you.

If rubber bullets are so erratic and inaccurate that it is forseeable and likely that they will cause headshots and blindness and brain bleeding and loss of testicles, despite aiming for center mass .... then they should not be used.

On people standing ... during the daytime .. with their hands up.

Or journalists clearly identifying themselves as press.

This is America, not Iran or China.

Good point Bob.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252790]Without even doing any research, my knowledge of ballistics from being a life long gun owner and being able to shoot right off my back porch tells me rubber bullets are probably less accurate than a bullet fired from a smooth bore pre civil war muzzle loading rifle. As trained with other weapons cops are aiming for center mass, bullet paths from rubber bullets are erratic and can end up in a very wide pattern.

Of course cop hating liberals that would not know a 9mm from a pellet pistol know more about ballistics than I do. They believe cops can easily hit someone in the eye on purpose with a rubber bullet, probably because that is what the liberal media leads them to believe.[/quote]

You've got some good info here too bad it's ruined by being an asshole. I didn't realize how inaccuarate they are... given the lack of accuracy I'd say that creates more problems potentially with possibly hitting innocent bystanders or... eyeballs.

[URL="https://www.fastcompany.com/90512287/the-lethal-history-of-rubber-bullets-and-why-they-should-never-be-used-on-peaceful-protesters"]The lethal history of rubber bullets—and why they should never be used on peaceful protesters[/URL]

From the article:

[quote]With erratic flight, you have two problems. First, the bullet could hit anywhere on the target’s body (it could also hit anyone standing near the intended target, anywhere on their body). Whereas the torso and legs are considered the safest areas to strike, bullets that fly up toward the neck or face can easily kill.

Michele Heisler is the medical director of Physicians for Human Rights and a professor of internal medicine and public health at the University of Michigan. She has been on the ground in Turkey to examine people who have been shot with less-lethal munitions. Heisler calls these scenes “horrific.” She has seen how even well-placed, perfectly executed shots still cause blunt trauma, which can do more than bruise or even break a bone: She’s witnessed these rounds do internal damage to organs like the lungs and heart and injure nerve bundles in limbs, necessitating amputation.

“I don’t know why, they do seem to directly hit people’s eyes [a lot]. It hits your eye and ruptures the eyeball, or the globe . . . basically, your eyeball explodes,” she says. But the terrifying truth is that someone losing their sight to a less-lethal round may have actually gotten lucky. “The eye is a very open entry point to the brain,” she adds, which is a primary route for these less-lethal rounds to kill.[/quote]

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[quote=MTK;1252789][URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/nypd-officer-shoves-woman-george-floyd-protests-video-2020-5"]NYPD officer violently shoves woman during George Floyd protest, prompting city councilman to call for assault charge[/URL]

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Yeah I can’t pull the video, but I’ll say there is never an absolute...but a strong majority of police are trying to do the right thing.

Police here are in a no win situation after the Floyd murder...I’ve read complaints in both Minnesota and Chicago of “Where are the cops”...like if they are there it’s a problem, if they aren’t it’s a problem...I seen some assaulted and not fighting back, which is amazing restraint. Heck several police have been killed

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I’d like the cops to bring out a cannon with a loaded grape-shot of rubber bullets and when those rioters start doing their rioting citizen-actions, angle the cannon towards the ground and pull the string. As the tens of rubber bullets released from the cannon Blast, they pick up more speed from the ricochet into the looters. At the lower trajectory they peg more balls and muffs than eyes.

Simple risk solution to reduce pirate accidents for looters

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[quote=Chico23231;1252793]Yeah I can’t pull the video, but I’ll say there is never an absolute...[B]but a strong majority of police are trying to do the right thing[/B].

Police here are in a no win situation after the Floyd murder...I’ve read complaints in both Minnesota and Chicago of “Where are the cops”...like if they are there it’s a problem, if they aren’t it’s a problem...I seen some assaulted and not fighting back, which is amazing restraint. Heck several police have been killed[/quote]

For the record I agree. Despite what some think a liberal like myself does not hate cops and love criminals. My ex father in law was a NYC cop back in the day.

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[quote=Chico23231;1252787]“Citizen on citizen violence” or 87 shootings with 18 murders within 24 hours. Don’t try to make it pretty, it ain’t and it’s a fuckin embarrassment.

Policy wise there is a lot id do...but fuck that mooby, let’s talk about woke-actions and power to the people:

Well first thing we are gonna do is march, then make some signs, maybe riot and loot some shoe stores, ( BYOSP)bring your own spray paint and vandalize, yell “defund gang activity”, some smoke weed, and then do the same thing tomorrow. You in?[/quote]

Why can't you separate the peaceful protesters from the looters and rioters? The ones trying to use Floyd's death to have a discussion on police reform are the not the same ones robbing stores and smashing shit at night.

I'm not smart enough to have the solution, but I agree with whoever said it starts with the community. That doesn't mean there isn't room for police to do their jobs better. I mean soldiers in war zones (where literally they have to assume that everybody around them wants to inflict harm on them) have stricter ROE than cops here (who get to enjoy the heavy-conservative thin blue line endorsement).

And for the record, the idea that I'm anti-cop is asinine. If you know or knew what I do for a living, the people I interact with every day, there's no wiggle room for being anti-cop at my job. That doesn't mean I don't think there isn't room for improvement in their job. Being entrusted with the authority they have means they have to be held to a higher standard. We need cops. That's an absolute, no room for negotiation on my part. We also need them to stop killing citizens unnecessarily.

And finally, it's the actions of a few that outweigh the good work of many. Much like any profession, or ideology, whether we're talking cops, rioters/protesters, terrorists/religious extremists, Democrats, or Republicans, it's the extreme ones that get the most shine. And their words and actions always manage to rise above the level headed ones who only want to make a positive impact on their community.

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[quote=MTK;1252792]You've got some good info here too bad it's ruined by being an asshole. [/quote]

Of course I am an asshole in your eyes because I don't think exactly like you do. I thought you come from the party of "tolerance?" You seem to only tolerate those that think like you do, you constantly condescend toward people with a difference of opinion, even though you are constantly proved wrong in your thinking. This one is a slam dunk, you thought sharpshooter cops could purposely shoot people's eyes out with rubber bullets. You look like a fool to anyone but yourself, but keep putting me down because we have a difference of opinion.

Now you have resorted to name calling, another page from the liberal playbook.

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[quote=SunnySide;1252791]Excellent point Bob.

I agree with you.

If rubber bullets are so erratic and inaccurate that it is forseeable and likely that they will cause headshots and blindness and brain bleeding and loss of testicles, despite aiming for center mass .... then they should not be used.

On people standing ... during the daytime .. with their hands up.

Or journalists clearly identifying themselves as press.

This is America, not Iran or China.

Good point Bob.[/quote]

So what is your plan for dispersing crowds before things get out of hand?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1252806]Of course I am an asshole in your eyes because I don't think exactly like you do. I thought you come from the party of "tolerance?" You seem to only tolerate those that think like you do, you constantly condescend toward people with a difference of opinion, even though you are constantly proved wrong in your thinking. This one is a slam dunk, you thought sharpshooter cops could purposely shoot people's eyes out with rubber bullets. You look like a fool to anyone but yourself, but keep putting me down because we have a difference of opinion.

Now you have resorted to name calling, another page from the liberal playbook.[/quote]

lol you’re constantly blasting and putting down liberals and saying dumb shit like liberals hate cops and love criminals, might want to check your tone in that last message about the rubber bullets you definitely were going full asshole

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[quote=MTK;1252810]lol you’re constantly blasting and putting down liberals and saying dumb shit like liberals hate cops and love criminals, might want to check your tone in that last message about the rubber bullets you definitely were going full asshole[/quote]

Just keep running people that don't think like you into the ground. Typical liberal behavior, just keep up with the name calling. I only react to what I see. Liberals here side with criminals as a default, even a blind man can see that. It is your sand box and you set the tone. Another liberal cesspool. No one here agrees with what the police did to George Floyd, but only a blind liberal will believe he did not have a hand in his tragic end. As for "rubber bullets" you are the person who knows ZERO about ballistics thinking cops were intentionally shooting people's eyes out with them. Who is the A-hole here? Someone who knows the truth or someone who eats the spoon fed crap their party feeds them?

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Thanks for proving my point.

You’re an angry dude, should get some
help with that


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