Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;406840]So let me ask you this. Who do you think is a better HEAD COACH? Norv or Marty?

Also, if you were to ask all of the SD players who would they rather have as a head coach, I would be willing to bet any amount of $ that 90% of the players would say Marty.[/QUOTE]

I know you're not talking to me, but I want to make myself clear by saying Marty is.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;406840]So let me ask you this. Who do you think is a better HEAD COACH? Norv or Marty?

Also, if you were to ask all of the SD players who would they rather have as a head coach, I would be willing to bet any amount of $ that 90% of the players would say Marty.[/QUOTE]

I would take Norv because of his offensive mind.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;406839]I watched Marty since he was with Cleveland, [bI actually thought he was a pretty coach[/b] and rooted for him. Then I noticed his conservative style (afraid to go for the kill) and lose. Yes, he had some bad luck, but he also was way to conservative. He broke my heart too many times to the point where I can't stand him now.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you minus the pretty part...he's rather ugly. :D

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;406841]Limited talent????? I whole heartedly disagree with you there.
I have never called him a choker, my thoughts about him is he doesn't know how to step up in the playoffs. He is too arrogant to mix things up and try new things and the teams he plays are prepared for his teams. You have to ask yourself why the team is so dominant during the season then they suck in the postseason. It's not cause he overachieves, but it is cause he underachieves in the postseason, when it counts.
Again I say, there were more missed chances in that Byner fumble game...the one play does not define a coach, nor can be pointed to in an excuse to say he's a good postseason coach.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I ever said you called him a choker. If so, I apologize. SF called him a choker and I'm just saying, well to say he's a choker because of his post-season record is a fairly myopic way of seeing things.

And credit has to be given to the Broncos in that game. Both teams played great. Seems kind of ridiculous for anyone to blame Schottenheimer for that loss.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;406845]I would take Norv because of his offensive mind.[/QUOTE]

You also said you wanted Cam Cameron to coach the Redskins. ;)

Between the two, I'd definitely take Marty for two reasons:
1. He knows how to build winning teams
2. He demands respect of his players

He's biggest knock is not going to or winning a Super Bowl, but he's a better HC than Norv.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;406844]I know you're not talking to me, but I want to make myself clear by saying Marty is.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely Marty. 100 out of 100 days Marty

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;406852]Absolutely Marty. 100 out of 100 days Marty[/QUOTE]


LOL!!!! No argument from me. :D

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[quote=skinsguy;406850]You also said you wanted Cam Cameron to coach the Redskins. ;)

Between the two, I'd definitely take Marty for two reasons:
1. He knows how to build winning teams
2. He demands respect of his players

He's biggest knock is not going to or winning a Super Bowl, but he's a better HC than Norv.[/quote]

This is the one thing that a HC MUST HAVE. They guy must demand respect. Norv does not demand or command any type of respect. He also does not inspire or motivate. For the life of me I just don't know how he has gotten 3 NFL head coaching jobs. Norv should be a college coach.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;406850]You also said you wanted Cam Cameron to coach the Redskins. ;)

Between the two, I'd definitely take Marty for two reasons:
1. He knows how to build winning teams
2. He demands respect of his players

He's biggest knock is not going to or winning a Super Bowl, but he's a better HC than Norv.[/QUOTE]

Norv was hand picked by the Squirer (JKC) and JKC was a pretty good evaluator. laugh all you want about Cam Cameron but someone is going to score big with him. By the way who was the OC in SD last year? I recall Marty passing on 4th and one inside the 10 and settling for field goals with Keating who I think is a choker also. I'll always remember Marty settling for field goals instead of going for it and paying for it in the end.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[quote=SmootSmack;406835]Should he be declared a choker for not winning a championship or one of the better coaches for getting his team that far?[/quote]Ah the great paradox of evaluating coaches.

My answer of course is neither, grade the coaches on how well their past players respect them.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;406863]Norv was hand picked by the Squirer (JKC) and JKC was a pretty good evaluator. laugh all you want about Cam Cameron but someone is going to score big with him. By the way who was the OC in SD last year? I recall Marty passing on 4th and one inside the 10 and settling for field goals with Keating who I think is a choker also. I'll always remember Marty settling for field goals instead of going for it and paying for it in the end.[/QUOTE]

JKC probably would've fired Norv if he hadn't passed away. I mean honestly, you're calling Marty a choker but praising Norv? Don't get me wrong, I supported Turner when he was here, but looking back on his head coaching career and Marty's; Schottenheimer is miles ahead of Turner.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;406865]Ah the great paradox of evaluating coaches.

My answer of course is neither, grade the coaches on how well their past players respect them.[/QUOTE]

Bottom line is. Do you want to win? If I recall the Chargers started the season at 1-3 and then 5-5, if Turner was so bad they would have folded, but instead they made a run for the playoffs and beat 2 pretty good teams in the playoffs one of them the former SB champs.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;406870]Bottom line is. Do you want to win? If I recall the Chargers started the season at 1-3 and then 5-5, if Turner was so bad they would have folded, but instead they made a run for the playoffs and beat 2 pretty good teams in the playoffs one of them the former SB champs.[/quote]Yes, I want to win.

Bottom line: I'm confused?

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;406870]Bottom line is. Do you want to win? If I recall the Chargers started the season at 1-3 and then 5-5, if Turner was so bad they would have folded, but instead they made a run for the playoffs and beat 2 pretty good teams in the playoffs one of them the former SB champs.[/QUOTE]

Of course we want to win. That's why Norv Turner isn't in Washington anymore.

Re: Chargers and Norv
 

John Butler was the GM before A.J.Smith.

[url=http://espn.go.com/classic/obit/s/2003/0411/1537706.html]ESPN Classic - Butler dies of lung cancer at 56[/url]