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[quote=mredskins;512472]Well you could get Big Ben he went to the U of Ohio. Close enough?[/quote]
I think you meant Miami of Ohio...

Blow it up for what? To wait another 3-5 years for a playoff berth? We're 14 games into Zorn's 1st year. Even Spurrier got a few years before he tucked tail and ran...give Zorn a chance to get players he thinks he can win with before blowing him to smithereens. He's still coaching with Gibbs' stack of players.

Reason to give Zorn a chance? Look what he did for Hasselbeck...he helped mold him into a quality caliber QB. And while the Seahawks are having a shitty year, Seneca Wallace is having a very nice little year for himself (1107 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT). Not bad for a guy everyone thought would be converted to a WR when he came out of Iowa State.

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^^^ Yes I was trying to be a smart a$$.

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[quote=mredskins;512469]It has been "it's 2-3 years to get better" mentality for the last freaking twenty years! I am tired of it.[/quote]

Who's not? But, like I said, that's the BEST CASE SCENARIO, IMO. Likely as not, as long as Vinny (and an unreformed Danny) are running the show, it'll be longer than 2-3 years.

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I'm willing at this point to go into '09 as a rebuilding year. Cut ties with some of the old, less productive vets like Griffin, Washington, Springs, Taylor, Jansen, Kendall, Smoot, even ARE. What I saw yesterday was an old, slow team with no playmakers on defense and very limited offensive options.

I've been denying the obvious but we are still suffering from the aborted Marty era. We had a chance to recover when Spurrier was hired but screwed that one up. We took a small step forward with Gibbs but didn't really make true progress. I was among the fooled in thinking that since we were a playoff team last year and returned most of the team that we'd be contenders. Wow, was I wrong.

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[quote=Paintrain;512484]I'm willing at this point to go into '09 as a rebuilding year. Cut ties with some of the old, less productive vets like Griffin, Washington, Springs, Taylor, Jansen, Kendall, Smoot, even ARE. What I saw yesterday was an old, slow team with no playmakers on defense and very limited offensive options.

I've been denying the obvious but we are still suffering from the aborted Marty era. We had a chance to recover when Spurrier was hired but screwed that one up. We took a small step forward with Gibbs but didn't really make true progress. I was among the fooled in thinking that since we were a playoff team last year and returned most of the team that we'd be contenders. Wow, was I wrong.[/quote]

im with you a hundred percent..cut the vets bring in the youth

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[quote=holcknowsbest;512471]what is gay is the fact that you dont hire a guy like gregg williams before you put us all through this. what else did he have to do to prove he was a worthy coach. i am sorry but what is gay is the fact that you cant get promoted even though you have been the only bright spot from a coaching stand point since marty was here. you were the same donkey saying steve spurrier was the answer too, just give him some time....get real man, football coaches are hard to come by, there are those who can lead and those who cant.......seems to me that a 6-10 played harder from gibbs and williams in 04 than a 7-6 team did for jim zorn and blache in 08........if you cant see this then your blind[/quote]

Just so you know I was for Gregg Williams being head coach and completely against the hiring of Spurrier. So I guess what you're saying is we should only give coaches a year to work with a team primarily assembled by someone else and if they cant make the playoffs than they're out. I understand you may be frustrated like we all are, but to expect a rookie coach to come out and win the Super Bowl is ridiculous.