Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;516601]right, let him play out the contract, and don't you get compensatory picks when your FAs are signed anyway? If he gets a big contract, won't we get something?[/quote]

Yeah, maybe a comp pick at the end of the 4th round. Hmm, 2nd round pick now, end of the 4th round pick next year. You decide.

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

thats retarted. DONNOT TRADE CARLOS ROGERS! That would be a terrible move. Id like to see Rogers, Hall, & Springs all return. we need them all...weve seen that this team needs DB depth every year....

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

For the record, I'm not saying whether or not a player can be an elite cornerback if teams do not fear throwing at him, which is definately the case with Rogers' team leading 100+ targets. But his coverage numbers are as good as ANYONE in the league. The very best of the best.

So regardless of whether not QBs fear him, no one can argue that we aren't a better defense when QBs are foolishly throwing at him.

I don't know whether or not he'll ever be able to become a turnover machine. I do know that our pass defense without him is pretty awful. Way closer to 2006 than is comfortable.

It's a flat out insane idea that we'd get a deal worthy of trading Carlos Rogers. He's 26.

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

And I think people not fearing throwing at Rogers is very key to DeAngelo Hall's success. If you'll remember, the fact that QBs really feared Nnamdi Asomugha is how Hall's lack of cover skills first got exploited. If QBs want to throw 8 passes a game at Rogers, Hall looks much, much better on the other side.

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=GTripp0012;516653]And I think people not fearing throwing at Rogers is very key to DeAngelo Hall's success. If you'll remember, the fact that QBs really feared Nnamdi Asomugha is how Hall's lack of cover skills first got exploited. If QBs want to throw 8 passes a game at Rogers, Hall looks much, much better on the other side.[/quote]

solid break-downs

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=Paintrain;516643]Yeah, maybe a comp pick at the end of the 4th round. Hmm, 2nd round pick now, end of the 4th round pick next year. You decide.[/quote]

but you'd get another year of service right? plus I'm not sure we'd get a 2nd now...

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

Trading Rogers would be one of the biggest disappointments in recent years. Yeah, the guy drops some picks, but hes one of the few players on our team in a position to even make a play. Very good starting CBs don't roll around every day. If you replace him with Nmandi, fine. But I still think we should keep him around and show Springs the door.

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

Here's a question about Rogers-What playoff team or team in the division would Rogers be a starting CB for and over whom?

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=GTripp0012;516653]And I think people not fearing throwing at Rogers is very key to DeAngelo Hall's success. If you'll remember, the fact that QBs really feared Nnamdi Asomugha is how Hall's lack of cover skills first got exploited. If QBs want to throw 8 passes a game at Rogers, Hall looks much, much better on the other side.[/quote]


That IS true.. as it would be for ANY 2nd CB we put over there... but I specifically remember the Eagles throwing at DHall all day long 2 weeks ago.

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=GTripp0012;516648]For the record, I'm not saying whether or not a player can be an elite cornerback if teams do not fear throwing at him, which is definately the case with Rogers' team leading 100+ targets. But his coverage numbers are as good as ANYONE in the league. The very best of the best.

So regardless of whether not QBs fear him, no one can argue that we aren't a better defense when QBs are foolishly throwing at him.

I don't know whether or not he'll ever be able to become a turnover machine. I do know that our pass defense without him is pretty awful. Way closer to 2006 than is comfortable.

It's a flat out insane idea that we'd get a deal worthy of trading Carlos Rogers. He's 26.[/quote]


I actually agree!! (Unbelievable right?.. haha)

Except I'll say that if Asomugha is the same price as Rogers wants to extend... other than that... you have to keep him. Again, he most likely will be a RESTRICTED FA next year, why trade him? Unless there REALLY is something there between him and Blache. I like a confident corner, but he came across defiant, and overly cocky in some of those comments... I wonder if he has rubbed Blache the wrong way for too long.

And if Jerry Gray goes (he's the one Rogers is tight with), then I could possibly see something happening.

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=Paintrain;516727]Here's a question about Rogers-What playoff team or team in the division would Rogers be a starting CB for and over whom?[/quote]


Atlanta, Miami, and San Diego are all in the playoffs, and they rank #21, #25, and #31 against the pass respectively.

The Chargers would snatch him up in a heartbeat. I don't know about our division, but I doubt that we would trade him anywhere in the NFC East.

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=Defensewins;516596]Not talking much value here.
Give up on a young, talented CB in the prime of his career.....for a 3rd round pick? I would not do it. [/quote]

Oh I definitely agree not to

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=Paintrain;516727]Here's a question about Rogers-What playoff team or team in the division would Rogers be a starting CB for and over whom?[/quote]

It is a silly question because it is 100% subjective and you clearly don't like Carlos Rogers so your answer will be that he would not start for any team, but here are the depth charts for corners on the division/playoff teams.

Atlanta: so I'd take him over anyone Atlanta has.
[I][B]LCB:[/B][/I][I]Domonique Foxworth[/I] [I]
Chevis Jackson - r[/I] [I]
Brent Grimes[/I] [I][B]
RCB:[/B][/I][I]Chris Houston[/I] [I]
David Irons (IR)[/I]

Arizona: Ditto on Arizona
[B]LCB:[/B]Roderick Hood
Michael Adams
[B]RCB:[/B]D. Rodgers-Cro - r
Eric Green

Baltimore: Who would you take over Rogers from the vaunted Ravens defense? The Raiders traded Fabian Washington for a 4th round pick by the way.
[B]LCB:[/B]Fab. Washington - inj
Corey Ivy
Chris McAlister (IR)
[B]RCB:[/B]Samari Rolle - inj
Frank Walker

Carolina: Gamble is a good player. I guess Lucas is as well, though I haven't watched either of them play a whole lot. And Carolina wouldn't trade a 2004 1st round pick (Gamble) and instead gave him an extension this November.
[B]LCB:[/B]Chris Gamble
Richard Marshall
[B]RCB:[/B]Ken Lucas
Dante Wesley

Dallas: Who would you take other than Newman?
[B]LCB:[/B]Ter. Newman
Mike Jenkins - r
Alan Ball
[B]RCB:[/B]Anthony Henry
Adam Jones - inj
Orl. Scandrick
Keith Davis - r

Indy: Um, would you take Marlin Jackson? (who was drafted after Rogers in 2005)
[B]LCB:[/B]Kelvin Hayden
Dante Hughes
[B]RCB:[/B]Tim Jennings
Keiwan Ratliff
Mar. Jackson (IR)
Nick Graham (IR)

Miami: I'm starting to agree with Rogers that he could start for any of these playoff teams. But let's definitely trade him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Cornerbacks are a dime a dozen.
[B]LCB:[/B]Will Allen
Michael Lehan
[B]RCB:[/B]Andre' Goodman
Nathan Jones

Minnesota: Winfield ... he also makes a ton of cash and is five years older than Rogers.
[B]LCB:[/B]Antoine Winfield
Marcus McCauley
[B]RCB:[/B]Cedric Griffin
Benny Sapp
Char. Gordon (IR)

New England: I'll throw them in since they were 11-5
[B]LCB:[/B]Jonathan Wilhite - r
Deltha O'Neal
[B]RCB:[/B]Ellis Hobbs - inj
Mike Richardson
Jas. Webster (IR)
Ter. Wheatley (IR)

New York: I'm sure the Giants wouldn't have room for Rogers on their team (that's sarcasm). Terrell Thomas was also a second round pick in 2008. Would you trade Carlos Rogers for him?
[B]LCB:[/B]Aaron Ross - inj
Kevin Dockery
Terrell Thomas - r
[B]RCB:[/B]Corey Webster
R.W. McQuarters
Sam Madison

Philadelphia: They are deep (and well paid) at Corner. But you wouldn't take Rogers over Sheldon Brown? The Eagles also couldn't get the picks they wanted for Lito Sheppard (a then 26 year old Pro Bowl corner) ... would teams be willing to give the Redskins as much or more for Rogers than they were willing to give for Sheppard? So are we even talking about getting a 2nd back in return for a young talented corner?
[B]LCB:[/B]Asante Samuel
Lito Sheppard
[B]RCB:[/B]Sheldon Brown
Joselio Hanson

Pittsburgh:
[B]LCB:[/B]Ike Taylor
Anthony Madison
[B]RCB:[/B]Bry. McFadden - inj
Deshea Townsend - inj
William Gay

San Diego: They had two first round picks at Corner and then spent another first rounder on Cason in 2008. Think corners are important?
[B]LCB:[/B]Quentin Jammer
Antonie Cason - r
[B]RCB:[/B]Ant. Cromartie
DeJuan Tribble - r

Tennessee: I had no idea Tyrone Poole was still in the NFL. He was drafted the same year that the Redskins took Michael Westbrook! Anyway, give me Rogers over Nick Harper.
[B]LCB:[/B]Nick Harper
Chris Carr
[B]RCB:[/B]Cort. Finnegan
Tyrone Poole

Well, I think the answer to your question is obvious, but as I said at the outset it is subjective so I guess you can disagree. If Rogers is actually on the block I'm going to have to take a break from the Redskins for a few weeks at least. It truly boggles the mind. I can understand how fans could get down on a guy for dropping some picks, but the coaches theoretically break down the tape. How do they not see that Rogers is a player?

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

This IS pretty much insane. Before the Hall acquisition, it seemed to me that Rogers played quite well. In fact, I thought it was pretty much an agreed thing that he was playing better than ever.

Yes, he drops picks. Yes, that sucks. But his coverage skills are QUITE good. I'd be very upset were he to leave the team in ANY manner. If we were able to re-sign him to a not-so-crazy-money deal, I'd take that OVER a 2nd round pick (which I don't even think we'd be able to get, for the record).

Re: JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out
 

[quote=WestCoastSkinsFan;516764]This IS pretty much insane. Before the Hall acquisition, it seemed to me that Rogers played quite well. In fact, I thought it was pretty much an agreed thing that he was playing better than ever.

Yes, he drops picks. Yes, that sucks. But his coverage skills are QUITE good. I'd be very upset were he to leave the team in ANY manner. If we were able to re-sign him to a not-so-crazy-money deal, I'd take that OVER a 2nd round pick (which I don't even think we'd be able to get, for the record).[/quote]

Agreed and if it came to a choice between Rogers and Hall, I say keep Rogers.