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[quote=firstdown;558530]Seatbelt laws are by state and VA just passed that law just a few years back.[/quote]

Yes they are, but why do you think VA passed it, if you check i believe you will find Federal Funding attached.

My point on the seatbelt law was more that government does not cycle, it grows and weaves, altering course but rarely repealing intrusive laws (an exception being if they make an overt and overreaching prohibition such as Prohibition).

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558531]Yes they are, but why do you think VA passed it, if you check i believe you will find Federal Funding attached.

My point on the seatbelt law was more that government does not cycle, it grows and weaves, altering course but rarely repealing intrusive laws (an exception being if they make an overt and overreaching prohibition such as Prohibition).[/quote]
Not sure if its attached to federal funding but we do have HOV lanes in our area that I do know that we have to keep open due to federal funding. Its crazy we have these lanes as they get little use and they would be better used as just another lane to help with trafic.

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[quote=firstdown;558408]Well now this new party will have to take into account that the Pro-Life now has more supporters then Pro-Choice for the first time sensen they have been tracking this galup poll.[url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time.aspx]More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time[/url]
I did not want to start an abortion thread but I found this pool really interesting.[/quote]

But what does it mean to be "pro-life" ??

That same poll says that even though 51% of people define themselves that way, 22% say that abortion should be legal in all cases, and 53% say that it should be legal in some cases -- meaning that 75% still say that abortion should not be completely outlawed.

If any Republican attempts to run on a national platform of making abortion illegal, then that candidate will lose and the party is going absolutely nowhere.

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[quote=Beemnseven;558547]But what does it mean to be "pro-life" ??

That same poll says that even though 51% of people define themselves that way, 22% say that abortion should be legal in all cases, and 53% say that it should be legal in some cases -- meaning that 75% still say that abortion should not be completely outlawed.

If any Republican attempts to run on a national platform of making abortion illegal, then that candidate will lose and the party is going absolutely nowhere.[/quote]
Well some cases could be rape or the health of the mother so that number is hard to grasp. I just really posted this because I have seen several people here say that on abortion the Rep. party does not have a clue but this poll may suggest something different. I don't think anyone would have any traction with either oarty if they took the far left or far right stance on the abortion issue. It seem now that both parties are some where in the middle.

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[quote=firstdown;558541]Not sure if its attached to federal funding but we do have HOV lanes in our area that I do know that we have to keep open due to federal funding. Its crazy we have these lanes as they get little use and they would be better used as just another lane to help with trafic.[/quote]

Or people could get off their ass and actually carpool. That'd help traffic too.

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[quote=firstdown;558551]Well some cases could be rape or the health of the mother so that number is hard to grasp. I just really posted this because I have seen several people here say that on abortion the Rep. party does not have a clue but this poll may suggest something different. I don't think anyone would have any traction with either oarty if they took the far left or far right stance on the abortion issue. It seem now that both parties are some where in the middle.[/quote]

I think the poll actually shows why the Pubs have such a hard time. The question of abortion isn't cut and dry in most minds and that poll clearly shows it. When pressed most people allow for abortions in at least some cases. Tell them you're going to outlaw it and suddenly a lot of those people aren't so sure they want to vote for you. At least the dopes who decide whether to vote for someone based on one singular social issue that is about as important to the everyday functioning of our country as Paris Hilton is.

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[quote=SmootSmack;558508]Has anyone here read "Grand New Party"?[/quote]

I looked at the synopsis online, that's about all. Didn't know it was a book till you asked that.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;558505]^^ Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.[/quote]

Or more likely ignored till the thought of a small functional government is but a speck in the tear ducts of the galaxy

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;558569]I looked at the synopsis online, that's about all. Didn't know it was a book till you asked that.[/quote]

I'd previously heard of the book, but have never read it.

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[quote=FRPLG;558562]I think the poll actually shows why the Pubs have such a hard time. The question of abortion isn't cut and dry in most minds and that poll clearly shows it. When pressed most people allow for abortions in at least some cases. Tell them you're going to outlaw it and suddenly a lot of those people aren't so sure they want to vote for you. At least the dopes who decide whether to vote for someone based on one singular social issue that is about as important to the everyday functioning of our country as Paris Hilton is.[/quote]

I agree with your assessment. It really is a grey area and not as black and white, at least not in every instance, as some would like to make it. That being said, there's a reasonable argument to made on both sides of the issue.

I find it intriguing how nothing will get people up in arms like the topic of abortion and a woman's right to choose. This debate isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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its also funny how that topic only surfaces come election time. now it will fade away for the next 3.5 years

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[quote=FRPLG;558562]I think the poll actually shows why the Pubs have such a hard time. The question of abortion isn't cut and dry in most minds and that poll clearly shows it. When pressed most people allow for abortions in at least some cases. Tell them you're going to outlaw it and suddenly a lot of those people aren't so sure they want to vote for you. At least the dopes who decide whether to vote for someone based on one singular social issue that is about as important to the everyday functioning of our country as Paris Hilton is.[/quote]
Your assuming that the Rep. party is totaly suported by people who believe that any abortion is bad no matter what the case is and I'd say thats a very small % and the party knows that. Its the same thing as thinking that all people who are pro choice think that having an abortion anytime is a womens right. See the far right of the rep. party actually have a means to get their point out through their own net works so we hear more from them. The far left is really only heard from when they are out protesting and busting up stuff.

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[quote=dmek25;558607]its also funny how that topic only surfaces come election time. now it will fade away for the next 3.5 years[/quote]

It may have to do with the fact that, at this point, there are only 9 people who really have a say in changing this policy, and each one has a REAL LONG term. Thus, most people know they can't really impact this policy except at the Presidential level.

Obviously this is a Federal issue, because the Supreme Court made it one, but still should not be a "litmus test" for whether a person wants a restrained Federal Government.

" I close my eyes only for a moment and the moment's gone ... dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind."
Kansas

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Anyone hear about how the new CAFE auto standards are going to raise the prices on every aspect of driving? Thank you Democrats. :bs:

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;558611]Anyone hear about how the new CAFE auto standards are going to raise the prices on every aspect of driving? Thank you Democrats. :bs:[/quote]
Hey the car companies are in horrible shape. Lets put more restrictions and standards on them to help everyone out. It makes perfect sense. :doh: