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[quote=CRedskinsRule;564341]I am good, I think we are gonna do some real damage this year. Personally I 'm hoping atleast for the division title, but alas the season is sooooo far away.

I was just playing on your analogy; people are in such a hurry to scrap a system that has produced so many modern miracles, it just really amazes me.[/quote] I agree , maybe I'am wrong but 85 % of Americans like the health care they have ? Of course , we should always look for improvements in everything we do as a nation and as individuals .

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As long as I can keep getting insured by a private HMO then awesome if not then I'm screwed.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;564317]The way people feel isn't a talking point. Your grammar conjugation is almost as bad as First Down's spelling.[/quote]

how do you post on the intra-webs and not get that joke? Do you need a dancing banana to help you?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;564334]Sorry but the first bolded statement is ridiculous. Denial of healthcare happens in every society on the planet. If you think otherwise I am open to being proven wrong, but you have to show proof of one hundred percent coverage for 100% of possible medical needs. You won't be able to.

As for the second one: no. quality healthcare is not a natural right(last I checked - there is no naturally produced healthcare system - doesn't grow on trees or appear in nature, was not handed down in the 10 commandments or Koran, and is not spontaneously occuring in the universe), nor is it implied or guaranteed in our Constitution.[/quote]

When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;564352]how do you post on the intra-webs and not get that joke? Do you need a dancing banana to help you?[/quote]

What's an intra-web, a blog?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;564357]When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky[/quote]

Ahh, we should do it because it's enlightened. :laughing2 We'll I can't claim to be so. Where I come from when you take money from a man's salary and give it to another it's called theft.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;564328]Surely you know how to break up your paragraph and not use the same word over and over again. I mean that's just stupid. he he he![/quote]

I know this but when you're conversing with stupid people you have to keep things simple. Baby steps...1...2...3.

[quote=Trample the Elderly;564328]Are you getting married? I saw that you started a thread but that's not my thing. I thought liberals were against that sort of thing? Hopefully you'll not reproduce. Better yet, I hope you have a whole litter of mad dog conservatives. [/quote]

I am getting married because lord knows someone has to practice heterosis with the likes of you roaming the planet. Fortunately (unfortunate for you I am sure) chances are very good that my children won't turn out to be conservative. I mean, come on, you and your ilk make perfect specimens in helping me teach them the handicaps associated with conservatism.

[quote=Trample the Elderly;564328]As long as we are giving opinions of each other. I don't think you're very bright either. When you wish death on someone like you did Limbaugh, you're effing with Karma. So have a nice day dingus![/quote]

You do some thinking? Get out of here!!! You ain't fooling no one dog, you've been running on an empty tank from day one. As for your Rushbo comment, I don't tolerate the intolerant. He is the cause and I am the effect.

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[quote=saden1;564361]I know this but when you're conversing with stupid people you have to keep things simple. Baby steps...1...2...3.
I am getting married because lord knows someone has to practice heterosis with the likes of you roaming the planet. Fortunately (unfortunate for you I am sure) chances are very good that my children won't turn out to be conservative. I mean, come on, you and your ilk make perfect specimens in helping me teach them the handicaps associated with conservatism.
You do some thinking? Get out of here!!! You ain't fooling no one dog, you've been running on an empty tank from day one. As for your Rushbo comment, I don't tolerate the intolerant. He is the cause and I am the effect.[/quote]

I'm not one of your yo-boys back on the block, dog. You can try to talk down to me if you want but you're not as smart as you think you are.

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Sorry guys, but Trample versus Saden = lamest internet beef of all time imo. Don't get me wrong, I love a good flame war, but neither of you guys scored a single shot that made me laugh. Why don't you call a truce?

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[quote=Beemnseven;564330]At whose cost?

Where did the idea get started that everyone has a 'right' to the services of another human being?[/quote]
Stop asking silly philisophical questions. Just consider the source and agree that it is a "right" to "quality" health care. Now pay up buddy. We need more of your money to fund someone else's "rights".

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[quote=FRPLG;564368]Stop asking silly philisophical questions. Just consider the source and agree that it is a "right" to "quality" health care. Now pay up buddy. We need more of your money to fund someone else's "rights".[/quote]

If the answer is readily available it's not much of a philosophical question.

[quote]A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.

-Archbishop Desmond Tutu[/quote]

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[quote=djnemo65;564367]Sorry guys, but Trample versus Saden = lamest internet beef of all time imo. Don't get me wrong, I love a good flame war, but neither of you guys scored a single shot that made me laugh. Why don't you call a truce?[/quote]

Sorry to disappoint you...it's not much of a war really.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;564357]When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky[/quote]

You can check my posts, I am well on record that our Defense spending is outta control, but its not getting cut anytime soon. And I would love to see proof that we can give 100% coverage for 100% of health issues for a fraction of the current defense spending. You can't, the costs skyrocket faster than the space shuttle, and if you try eventually you end up limiting what can be done - in other words denying some level of healthcare to someone.

As for your quote, it seems to more appropriately apply to those who see government as a solution when the government has repeatedly proven itself inept at any type of reasonable fiscal constraint.

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and even without cutting the military, did we really need to spend 550 million on this?

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090623/ap_on_sc/us_sci_underground_science]Work begins on world's deepest underground lab - Yahoo! News[/url]

cool - maybe
necessary - not

Footnote- the article does not specify the source of the funds, but say "scientists, [B]politicians[/B], and others" were on hand for the opening. Seriously, who else would pay to find "ghostly particles"

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[quote=saden1;564372]If the answer is readily available it's not much of a philosophical question.[/quote]


[quote]A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.

-Archbishop Desmond Tutu[/quote]

When the response, such as this one from Desmond Tutu, is complete and utter bullshit, it's not much of a philisophical answer.

I'm sure the nation's doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals will snap-to and offer themselves up as slaves after reading this crap from Tutu.