Re: I think Jim Zorn is a great head football coach.
 

[quote=Coff;573939]Gibbs: 8-3 in the final 11 games of his first season
Zorn: 2-6 in the final 8 of his[/quote]

Gibbs 0-5 in his first.
Zorn 4-1.

We can play this game all day and still have to wait and see.

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I love Zorn.

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[quote=GTripp0012;573648]A lot of these assertions contradict each other. You can't claim lack of creativity on offense and then question Zorn's desire to turn Mike Sellers into a GL back...because he's never been a goal line back before. That's what creativity is, it's not necessarily about being unconventional, just about doing different things to try to maximize the value of your personnel. In this respect, I think Zorn is quite creative.

[B]What evidence do you have to defend the claim that the Skins checked down more often than other teams? [/B]Speicifally, how are they different than the Dolphins or Chargers in this respect (outside of the misbelief that some teams use their backs aggressively, but when other teams do the exact same thing they are being too conservative)?

Just to throw a stat out there, the Redskins passing game was up to a yard per attempt more effective when they blocked with 6 as opposed to 5. So if you are wondering why the Redskins don't always use Portis as a receiving threat, I think that might be a good place to start. Not that you can't use both Portis and Betts in obvious passing situations, but if you do, you lose the ability to get one of your young receivers into the game in a critical situation.

I also think you are understating the value of the Betts injury on our offense. I'm really not the biggest Betts fan, and despite the fact that he does all the small things well, he doesn't offer anything that Portis doesn't, but when he went down, you lose a lot of trick play ability in the offense. Zorn was using them together in packages, but once you lose one of them, it's understandable that they moved away from these packages. By the time Betts came back for the Seattle game, you could understand how a team on a two game losing streak was not so worried about trying to get two running backs on the field together (especially since Kelly was healthy for the first time).[/quote]

I was wathcing NFL Network a month or two ago and Solomon Wilcotts broke down Jason Campbell and said that the Redskins were almost dead last in the NFL in passes completed over 10 yards. He also showed several instantces where JC had the time to throw, had wr's open downfield but checked the ball down instead. But I didn't need him to tell me that cause I watched the games and already knew it.

Re: I think Jim Zorn is a great head football coach.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;574268]I was wathcing NFL Network a month or two ago and Solomon Wilcotts broke down Jason Campbell and said that the Redskins were almost dead last in the NFL in passes completed over 10 yards. He also showed several instantces where JC had the time to throw, had wr's open downfield but checked the ball down instead. But I didn't need him to tell me that cause I watched the games and already knew it.[/quote]

Oh boy the infamous Wilcots video. This has become like the Zapruder film...well now you've done it. Now you've subjected us to several pages of Tripp posts

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[quote=SmootSmack;574272]Oh boy the infamous Wilcots video. This has become like the Zapruder film...well now you've done it. Now you've subjected us to several pages of Tripp posts[/quote]

It's in the video!! It's in the video!!

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Video is proof.

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[quote=skinsfan69;574268]I was wathcing NFL Network a month or two ago and Solomon Wilcotts broke down Jason Campbell and said that the Redskins were almost dead last in the NFL in passes completed over 10 yards. He also showed several instantces where JC had the time to throw, had wr's open downfield but checked the ball down instead. But I didn't need him to tell me that cause I watched the games and already knew it.[/quote]I can't think of a clever comeback to this post right now. Sorry to disappoint you all.

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[quote=Video In Question]
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81069cc4/Can-Campbell-get-it-done"]NFL Videos: Can Campbell get it done?[/URL][/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/566370-post225.html[/url]

Re: I think Jim Zorn is a great head football coach.
 

The thread that killed nflnick. RIP buddy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;574268]I was wathcing NFL Network a month or two ago and Solomon Wilcotts broke down Jason Campbell and said that the Redskins were almost dead last in the NFL in passes completed over 10 yards. He also showed several instantces where JC had the time to throw, had wr's open downfield but checked the ball down instead. But I didn't need him to tell me that cause I watched the games and already knew it.[/quote]

3 questionably explained highlights out of how many total plays...

Nah nevermind, just see that other thread.

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[quote=freddyg12;573487]Take a look at the production of rookie wr's & you'll see that D. Thomas had about an avg. year. Some rookies light it up, but they're the exception.

Zorn's 6-2 start indicated that he could win & get the team to pull out some tough, close games on the road. Sure things might've been in his favor w/strategy & other teams not sure how this O would look, but the important thing from those games is that he got his players to step up. That's the biggest factor for a head coach, being able to motivate.

So, if improvements to personel are made (we'll see about the o line) I do believe Zorn has the will to motivate his players to win. I also think his system, while he was stubborn w/it at times, will work if the O line can hold up (that is a big if, I'm quite concerned myself).[/quote]
Well others can point to the other half of the season to say maybe Zorn cannot motivate players when things go bad and to me that more important then when your winning. You guys can debate this all you want the simpls fact is its too early to tell.

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I was at ES and found a thread regarding player numbers and who wore them for the Skins. Some one posted this nifty site. While looking at it came across a number that listed Don Shula #26. I find it interesting that I haven't heard about him being a Skin. I always kept hearing about how he coached Baltimore and Miami.

[url=http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp]RedskinsDB.com: Washington Redskins Players (1932-2004)[/url]

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I think that he finished his career with us, a single year if I recall correctly; see, it's not just Snyder that does that lol

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[quote=tryfuhl;574642]I think that he finished his career with us, a single year if I recall correctly; see, it's not just Snyder that does that lol[/quote]

I belive you are correct.