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[quote=sandtrapjack;577280]You really should not even mention "personnel depth" considering the performance of the Redskins in thier preseason opener.

Three Baltimore QB's combine for 399 yards passing. The Baltmore offense puts up "half-a-century" (500 yards) in total offense.

The Redskins offense did not fair much better. [B]The 'Skins offense did not drive any further than the Ravens 30 the whole game. And 9 of thier 12 drives never made it past the 50 yard line[/B].[/quote]

That is the art of offense without playing offense. Master Zorns new scoring style!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;576985]Their D will be solid, if WP focuses on it, if he has to do more HC and less DC tasks the D will suffer. as for their line vs ours. I think ours will be much more up to the task. I think they will see age strike fiercely (I believe all of their OLine is 30+) and they have not done much in ways of drafting either. The only way we really struggle is if Samuels goes down the day after Levi Jones signs somewhere else ;)[/quote]

I've been saying the same thing in other threads, their o line is already on the old side & to my surprise they've had a lot of picks (12 this year) but haven't used a high pick for the o line.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;577053]Chris Canty - Tough to replace, but wanted too much money when signing Ware long term is a priority. If you cant have both, who would you rather keep? Ware or Canty?

Ter Owens - mouth, attitude yes, but put up 1000+ yard and double digit TD's each year he was there. We'll see how this one works out.

Greg Ellis - cry baby veteran who was very long in the tooth who's replacement was drafted 2 years ago (Spencer).

Horsecollar Williams - Liability in coverage. Sensabaugh takes his place, this is a huge upgrade in the secondary.

Brad Johnson - spaghetti arms, good riddance

Anthony Henry - injured each of the past 3 years, not getting any younger. Scandrick and Jenkins showed they are starting material and made Henry expendable.

GAINED:
Jon Kitna - Dont laugh, but he is an upgrade over Johnson. Much better arm strength. And he was QB in Detroit when Roy Williams went to the pro bowl.

Igor Olshansky - cheaper version of Canty. Not as good, but cheaper. Compare his stats and Canty's over the last 3 years. Almost identical in every category. Difference being Olshansky played in a weak division and Canty in the strongest in the league. And he (Olshansky) was drafted by Wade Phillips in San Diego. So there is some famialiarity there.

*Nobody else of significance*[/quote]

I'd say the cowpokes had a great offseason w/one exception; no signficant picks or free agents on the o line. I think the Kitna pickup was smart as was Olshansky. And especially getting TO out will help big time.

You guys all forgot about Keith Brooking.
He's a bit old but should be an upgrade over Z. Thomas. Also, Carpenter is another young OLB that at least provides solid depth. Their draft should bolster some positions & improve special teams.

The g-men & iggles are getting most of the attention, but skins v. boyz might be what decides the div. I wouldn't sleep on either one.

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Not many teams get shut out, but I think the Redskins might be just a little underrated. However, I would change QB's fast if we don't generate some kind of offense. Zorn should make sure he gives the team the best chance to win, even in a preseason game. I would rather see Chase starting at QB if we're going to put zeroes up on offense.

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[quote=JLee9718;577332]Not many teams get shut out, but I think the Redskins might be just a little underrated. However, I would change QB's fast if we don't generate some kind of offense. [B]Zorn should make sure he gives the team the best chance to win, even in a preseason game.[/B] I would rather see Chase starting at QB if we're going to put zeroes up on offense.[/quote]

why?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;577334]why?[/quote]

I'll second that question. A few years back (07) Gibbs wanted to win in preseason because the team's previous season was so downhill from preseason to game 16. This team won some tough games last year, the team doesn't need a psychological boost of winning a meaningless game. What the offense needs is time to gel, but I don't think Zorn cares about the final outcome that much if he sees some improvement.

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[quote=JLee9718;577332]Not many teams get shut out, but I think the Redskins might be just a little underrated. However,[b] I would change QB's fast if we don't generate some kind of offense.[/b] Zorn should make sure he gives the team the best chance to win, even in a preseason game. I would rather see Chase starting at QB if we're going to put zeroes up on offense.[/quote]
No offense, but didn't they try and do that twice this off season already? Tried to get Cutler and Sanchez, right?

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[quote=freddyg12;577304]I'd say the cowpokes had a great offseason w/one exception; no signficant picks or free agents on the o line. I think the Kitna pickup was smart as was Olshansky. And especially getting TO out will help big time.

You guys all forgot about Keith Brooking.
He's a bit old but should be an upgrade over Z. Thomas. Also, Carpenter is another young OLB that at least provides solid depth. Their draft should bolster some positions & improve special teams.

The g-men & iggles are getting most of the attention, but skins v. boyz might be what decides the div. I wouldn't sleep on either one.[/quote]

I disagree man. I REALLY don't buy the addition by subtraction argument. You're losing a Hall of Fame WR and couldn't even make a first round draft pick. You can say losing all those guys was a good move, but people who are banking on rookies coming in and performing as well as those vets are going to be extremely disappointed.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;577347]I disagree man. I REALLY don't buy the addition by subtraction argument. You're losing a Hall of Fame WR and [b]couldn't even make a first round draft pick.[/b] You can say losing all those guys was a good move, but people who are banking on rookies coming in and performing as well as those vets are going to be extremely disappointed.[/quote]
I dont understand the couldn't make a first round pick part????

Dallas did not even have a first round pick, it was traded to Detroit.

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Right. That's what I was saying.

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There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him??? Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and a good running game are not enough to get the job done offensively.

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Do teams actually double cover Roy Williams?

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[quote=Beemnseven;577408]There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him??? Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and [B]a good running game[/B] are not enough to get the job done offensively.[/quote]

I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down. Now Jones is healthy. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.

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I agree! The Raiders are sure very talented and they could have been a very strong contender!

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[quote=GMScud;577444]I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down.[B] Now Jones is healthy[/B]. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.[/quote]

If Jones stays healthy he will be an exceptional threat. That said, he had a hurt toe, which for a runner can be difficult. Their O-line is barely the caliber of ours, let alone the Giants. They have an aging false start prone left tackle, the interior is ok, but aging, and their RT is average, with only one decent looking backup in Doug Free. Romo certainly will be more vulnerable. Appears he's learned how to hold on to the ball better though :(.

They still suck.