Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=Paintrain;607397]Doug Williams. Duh.[/quote]

Vinny Testeverde also, did much better on the Jets.

Re: Tim Tebow Scouting Report
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;607431]If Gruden really wants Tebow then I wouldn't be opposed to it. Right now Scouts Inc has him graded as a mid to late second rounder. If we could draft a top tier Offensive Tackle then get a QB like Tebow in the second, [B]with a big pile driving Center in the third[/B] then I would be one happy fan.

I will say this though. The Offensive Line needs at least 3 new starters next year. Mainly at C, RG, and RT.

Here's how Tebow grades out to all those who were wondering.

[B]Overall Grade 83[/B]

[B]1[/B] = Exceptional[B]2[/B] = Above average[B]3[/B] = Average[B]4[/B] = Below average[B]5[/B] = Marginal

[B]Production[/B] - 1 - Notable accomplishments: the only sophomore ever to win the Heisman Trophy, the only player in NCAA history to rush and pass for at least 20 touchdowns in a season (2007), and only the second player to ever repeat as Maxwell Award winner (2007-08).
[B]
Height-Weight Speed - [/B]2 - Possesses adequate height and very good speed for the position. A workout warrior who is thickly built with unusual muscle mass for a QB. If anything, he could benefit from a weight lifting program tailored more to the quarterback position.

[B]Durability - [/B]2 - Has held up remarkably well considering the pounding he has endured during three collegiate seasons (2006-08). Has started all 27 games the past two seasons. Keeps body in peak physical condition.

[B]Intangibles - [/B]5 - Tim Tebow eats babies and spends Friday night tagging new territories for his gang. On Monday he collects protection money from Chuck Norris.

Oh and this:

Rare intangibles and work ethic. The ultimate team player. Exceptional mental and physical toughness. Temptations that can accompany NFL money and lifestyle will have zero affect on Tebow.

[B]Mental Markup[/B] -2 - Rare mental toughness. Very few are blessed with his natural competitiveness, leadership skills and work ethic. Both a vocal leader and leader by example. However, there are some concerns regarding his mental aptitude in the passing game. He comes from a unique spread-formation offense so it can be difficult at times to differentiate instincts from inexperience. The bottom line is that he's nowhere near ready to make the kind of coverage reads necessary to succeed as a passer in the NFL.

[B]Accuracy[/B] -4 - Flashes great touch and the ability to fit the ball into tight spots down the field but is far too inconsistent with his overall accuracy. Needs to learn to change velocities and show better touch on underneath throws. Deep ball will flutter and float too often. Footwork is erratic and accuracy suffers as a result. He frequently operates with enormous passing windows, which allow him to miss within the strike zone with no consequence. He completes a lot of passes that will throw his receiver off course, thus eliminating potential yards after catch. Many of those misses within the strike zone will either be batted down or picked off in the NFL.

[B]Release[/B] - 4 - Reportedly is working with new QB coach to get the ball out quicker and more over-the-top as a senior. On 2007 and 2008 film Tebow takes entirely too long getting the ball out. It will be difficult to succeed in the NFL with the elongated, three-quarter delivery that he has used the past two seasons.

[B]Arm Strength - [/B]2 - Overall arm strength is good but not elite. Gets good zip on deep out throws. Can fit the ball into tight spots in intermediate zone. Deep ball has a tendency to flutter and will get hung up in the air at times.

[B]Mobility - [/B]2 - Foot quickness and elusiveness are good but not elite. Displays excellent feel for pocket collapsing around him. Accuracy as a passer does not suffer much when he throws on the run. Also shows ability to throw with defenders hanging from his legs. Rare competitiveness as a runner. Also possesses excellent power, great vision and adequate-to-good speed when he breaks the pocket as a ball carrier. Few QBs enter the NFL with as much experience running the football: Tebow has 475 carries during his first three seasons, the most ever by an SEC QB.[/quote]

We traded our third to select Jarmon

Re: Tim Tebow Scouting Report
 

[quote=WaldSkins;607447]We traded our third to select Jarmon[/quote]

Well then I can live with a franchise tackle and a QB like Tebow in the second. I know a lot of people don't like him as an NFL QB but I personally think he's a lot like Ben Roethlisberger. God knows this team is short of leaders. There's only so much Fletcher can do.

Plus how can you hate a QB that played NT in the state championship game right after running the ball for 80 yards.

Gruden on Tebow:
[quote]When he was a high school senior, they played Armwood in the state championship game. I have tape. He has an 80-yard touchdown run that put them in the lead. When it flipped around, and Armwood had the ball, what position do you think Tebow was playing? He was playing nose guard - and he disrupted about 10 plays. This guy is totally different. He's got Rich Gannon, Drew Brees, that kind of makeup as a team guy. What he said after the Ole Miss game, I said, 'That's my favorite football player I've ever seen in my whole life.' I said, 'I want Florida to win every game that kid plays from now on.'"[/quote]

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=skins89moss;607401]They are so sick of watching our offense not score that they are talking themselves into wanting Tebow as our QB. he better be drafted no earlier that the 4th round than maybe.[/quote]

After watching the Dolphins and their Wildcat -Single Wing- offense terrorize the Jets defense tonight i believe Tebow will be drafted to fill that role if nothing else. Is he a starter in this league? time will tell but as long as there are teams running the cat there is a place for a guy with his talents on their roster.

Re: Tim Tebow Scouting Report
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;607448]Well then I can live with a franchise tackle and a QB like Tebow in the second. I know a lot of people don't like him as an NFL QB but I personally think he's a lot like Ben Roethlisberger. God knows this team is short of leaders. There's only so much Fletcher can do.

Plus how can you hate a QB that played NT in the state championship game right after running the ball for 80 yards.

Gruden on Tebow:[/quote]

Another Gruden quote on Tebow: "That guy is 250 lbs of concrete cyanide man. And he can throw."

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

Gruden's not a team builder, but he's leaps and bounds beyond Zorn's abilities. At least we'd have a head coach who knows more about football than the average fan.

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=skins89moss;607390]At least Fassel has won more and has more balls than Zorn. I don't want Fassel im just saying I'd take him over Zorn. At least he was a HC.[/quote]

I'd take a cardboard cut-out of Fassel over Jim Zorn.

I'd take half-eaten macaroni salad over Jim Zorn.

I'd take a big rock with a smiley face on it over Jim Zorn.

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;607537]I'd take a cardboard cut-out of Fassel over Jim Zorn.

I'd take half-eaten macaroni salad over Jim Zorn.

I'd take a big rock with a smiley face on it over Jim Zorn.[/quote]

Thats some funny sh*t:lol:

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;607534]Gruden's not a team builder, but he's leaps and bounds beyond Zorn's abilities. At least we'd have a head coach who knows more about football than the average fan.[/quote]

very true, gruden's success came from driving a team that tony dungy built. We need a man who can build and drive the train forward.

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;607570]very true, gruden's success came from driving a team that tony dungy built. We need a man who can build and drive the train forward.[/quote]

And who would that man be?

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

1. Cowher
2. Holmgren
3. Dungy

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;607574]1. Cowher
2. Holmgren
3. Dungy[/quote]

1. Not coming to DC
2. Maybe
3. Not coming back to football

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=skins89moss;607401]They are so sick of watching our offense not score that they are talking themselves into wanting Tebow as our QB. He should not be drafted no earlier that the 4th round than maybe.[/quote]

I've watched this guy for 4 years and he isn't NEARLY the passer Chris Leak was and where is Chris Leak? It's the stupid ass media that can't get enough of him. Great college player w/ 0 potential as an NFL QB. I wouldn't even draft this guy.

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;607574]1. Cowher
2. Holmgren
3. Dungy[/quote]

Dungy, HA that's rich. I'd love that but he's not that stupid. Maybe if Gibbs was the President and only then b/c of their religious connection.

Cowher delivered in Pittsburgh but their FO/fanbase was VERY patient with him. I can't expect the same from ours. On the plus side he would have a talented defense to start with...something that is a must for him.

Holmgren is a good choice for the FO but i don't know if he has it as a coach any more. Sure he wants to win a superbowl but i'm afraid he's seen too many teams to have the patience to coach this one up. Moving Zorn to OC or QB coach would be a possibility hear so i like the consistency aspect of it.

Gruden is a gimmicky pick. I feel that with him its an all or nothing shot. He could be really good by finally controlling a team which is willing to go out and get the talent he wants. He could also be a complete flop if his eventual pick in Tebow can't make the NFL leap. One thing is tru about this guy, he knows football and puts in long hours. He won't be making any coaching mistakes, that's for sure.

Shanahan is my favorite simply b/c he has the ability to get the best work out of the talent he has. He is a master of making game-time adjustments, something that btw the redskins have lacked since Gibbs 1.0. Shanahan is also a well respected coach who could come in and instantly get the players to buy in. He has proven that he can make a perennial winner and with the deep pockets of DS, he could be a force to be reckoned with. Reuniting him with Portis is an added bonus.

Re: Sources: Gruden the front runner
 

God I hate Gruden. Vastly overrated. expect more of the same.