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[quote=Ruhskins;620318]Actually Gibbs 2.0 ending so suddenly partly contributed to this mess. [B]Not to mention the multiple picks we lost through trades during this time.[/B]

That being said, I really don't care much for his apology but hey at least he's saying something. And I'm ok with things being cleaned out at the end of the season.[/quote]And Gibbs should not be let off the hook for those trades - he had final say. A 3 and a 4 for Brandon Lloyd? Sure, why not, and while we're at it, tear up the last year of his contract and hand him $10M guaranteed. Another 3 and a 4 for Duckett? Absolutely, we prefer vets over draft picks!!! And don't forget letting Ryan Clark walk for peanuts compared to the record setting deal we gave Adam Archuleta on Gibbs watch - the worst FA signing in our history, and one of the worst ever for the entire NFL. Only Gibbs's ability as a leader on the sideline allowed him to overcome his spotty record in the FO. To me, Gibbs 2.0 had some moments, but ultimately was unfulfilling.

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[quote=SouperMeister;620321]I don't need an apology. [B]An admission that the FO philosophy has been the wrong way to create a consistent winner would be much better[/B], but I won't hold my breath waiting for that.

More importantly, the firing of Cerrato followed by the hiring of a legitimate GM with final say on personnel matters, with a focus on building quality, inexpensive depth through the draft would be much more substantive. I keep going back to two teams - New England and Philly. Both stockpile draft picks and have a deep pool of capable talent in every unit. They typically make opportunistic FA signings of proven vets, without throwing their future cap out of whack.[/quote]

I'm with ya there. I was one of those that said Snyder should be more visible at times, so I respect & appreciate his apology.

Is it enough? Of course not, but it's like any apology, it's a start.

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[quote=Ruhskins;620318][b]Actually Gibbs 2.0 ending so suddenly partly contributed to this mess.[/b] Not to mention the multiple picks we lost through trades during this time.

That being said, I really don't care much for his apology but hey at least he's saying something. And I'm ok with things being cleaned out at the end of the season.[/quote]Yeah, I agree with that; indeed, I think that was the prmary catalyst for this horror show going on with my beloved 'Skins right now, because for all his catch-as-catch-can decisions inre: the roster, Gibbs could get the team to at least play with some heart.

All I can add is that while I was and still am upset about hm leaving before his time because of the effect it had on the organization, I don't hold it against him. I think he took ST's death really hard and that coupled with his grandson's illness was just too much. IMO he had earned it.

But to excaberate the problem, Snyder and Vinny destroyed any continuity that could have been salvaged! Letting D. Williams go, not addressing the O-Line issues that have been apparent since 2005 (that one is on Gbbs, too), changing the entire offensive scheme, etc. - they took away a lot of stability that could have been salvaged when he decided to go.

I hope that as soon as this horrid season ends Snyder takes the right actions and let them speak for themselves. While I don't give jack about what he says, I take this break from his tradition of not speaking to the press during the season as a positive sign...

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[quote=firstdown;620107]You guys sound like a bunch of little girls who got their feelings hurt when the other little girls called them names. Now you want an apology and for them to tell mommy what they said so mommy can give you all a [B]big hugh[/B] and make you feel better.[/quote]

I know I don't want to be left out. Whatever a "big hugh" is? Is it free? If it's free I'll take two. ;)

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[quote=mlmdub130;620192]don't you mean that's what zorn is for, and as for all the "we" talk [B]it's just old danny showing his style of leadership[/B] and what this team needs and lacks acountability, and until we have that from top to bottom we aren't going anywhere and as much as we all would love to think this is rock bottom hold on to your seats cause you ain't seen nothing yet, just wait til dec 6 that's gonna be ugly[/quote]

If he was smart he would follow the Presidents Rule of Thumb.....as I do...

[I][B]1) Nixon:[/B] "I'm not a Cooke."[/I]

[I][B]2) Clinton:[/B] Flat out deny, "I did not hire Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When the public starts clammering...

[I][B]3) Bush SR:[/B] "Read my lips, I did not hire Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When evidence is mounting that you are lying....

[I][B]4) Reagan:[/B] "I don't recall hiring Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When it's blatently obvious...

[I][B]5) Clinton:[/B] "Mistakes were made in hiring Cerrato."[/I]

[I][B]6) Bush JR:[/B] "I'm going to fixidate this here clusterphobia."[/I]

I hope this helps all of you....I know I apply these tried and true Presidental statements to everything if it's a disaster. I hope it helps you as well.....;)

Edit: I'm sorry I forgot the last one, offer food cause everyone likes food..

[I][B]7) Carter:[/B] "Would you like a peanut?"[/I]

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Its a start, but as others said I could care less.Fire Vinny and start drafting more from the trenches. That would show that the FO realizes they were wrong and they are now changing due to that.

This "apology" isn't that. I haven't changed my opinion and I wont till I see real change.

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I Can't beleive that people think that this guy doesnt want to win. nothings more profitable than a winning franchise.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;620234]How do you know Snyder wants to win? Just because he pays out money to big FA names? Guy is smart, he has maximized his profit with a losing product year in year out in a NFL market that is rather small anymore. He could maximze jersey, sweatshirt, and cap sales, etc, with a SB run, but that is it. With a 5 year waiting period for season tickets they guy is already at maximum capacity with regards to filling the stadium. Have the Skins had a game blacked out yet due to poor attendance like the Lions always do? Snyder knows his "market" rather well. Keep em hooked with new coaches, schemes, hot FA signings and they will come and buy crap. Thing is you are in DC, the place where all the tax loot comes in to feed ungodly large bureacracies along with lobbyists, etc. My point is Detroiters and folks in SE Michigan and the rest of the rust belt do not have the time or money to waste on overpriced circuses in the form of crappy football. Snyder chose his market well. It is small, yet loaded with dough. Couple that with the fact that we are a bread and circuses society anymore and you have a no lose situation for Snyder unless Skins fans show some balls and quit caring.[/quote]

For your sake do not go into business because its clear you do not undstand how to maximize a profit.

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[quote=Rodskin;620335]I Can't beleive that people think that this guy doesnt want to win. nothings more profitable than a winning franchise.[/quote]

he wants to win just has no idea how to do it and refuses to give up control

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[quote=mlmdub130;620342]he wants to win just has no idea how to do it and refuses to give up control[/quote]

He gave up the bulk of control, no owner will give up all control, you just don't like who he gave it up to (I don't blame you).

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[quote=SBXVII;620333]If he was smart he would follow the Presidents Rule of Thumb.....as I do...

[I][B]1) Nixon:[/B] "I'm not a Cooke."[/I]

[I][B]2) Clinton:[/B] Flat out deny, "I did not hire Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When the public starts clammering...

[I][B]3) Bush SR:[/B] "Read my lips, I did not hire Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When evidence is mounting that you are lying....

[I][B]4) Reagan:[/B] "I don't recall hiring Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When it's blatently obvious...

[I][B]5) Clinton:[/B] "Mistakes were made in hiring Cerrato."[/I]

[I][B]6) Bush JR:[/B] "I'm going to fixidate this here clusterphobia."[/I]

I hope this helps all of you....I know I apply these tried and true Presidental statements to everything if it's a disaster. I hope it helps you as well.....;)

Edit: I'm sorry I forgot the last one, offer food cause everyone likes food..

[I][B]7) Carter:[/B] "Would you like a peanut?"[/I][/quote]

Excellent

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[quote=Rodskin;620335]I Can't beleive that people think that this guy doesnt want to win. nothings more profitable than a winning franchise.[/quote]

I think he does want to win, but got to disagree with your last part of the statement. Snyder has kept the Redskins at the top of all NFL franchises since he's been there in terms of value, despite a subpar record over the last ten years. Why aren't the Giants or Eagles more valuable then?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;620605]I think he does want to win, but got to disagree with your last part of the statement. Snyder has kept the Redskins at the top of all NFL franchises since he's been there in terms of value, despite a subpar record over the last ten years. Why aren't the [B]Giants[/B] or Eagles more valuable then?[/quote]

The Giants are not that valuable because New York is a baseball town. The Iggles....well I dunno. And winning is profitable, since the Pats have been up there in the profit top 5 during their winning steak (even though Boston is a baseball town first and basketball town second).

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[quote=Rodskin;620335]I Can't beleive that people think that this guy doesnt want to win. nothings more profitable than a winning franchise.[/quote]

I would tend to agree with that but conversely I guess you could say that losing is not profitable.

What Snyder has done with offseason free agent frenzys of players AND coaches is make a losing franchise profitable. New season tickets are sold and locked up during these spring and summer months when the Skins are making big splashes...great from a marketing perspective.

Within the last 2-3 months the Redskins were listed as the highest revenued NFL team pulling in $345 million dollars on the year.


Now ask yourself...Does Dan Snyder want to win?

...in the illustrious words of Dan Snyder himself: "If it ain't broke don't fix it"

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/snyder-and-gibbs-press-confere.html"]Redskins Insider - Snyder and Gibbs Press Conference[/URL]

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[quote=Ruhskins;620610]The Giants are not that valuable because New York is a baseball town. The Iggles....well I dunno. And winning is profitable, since the Pats have been up there in the profit top 5 during their winning steak (even though Boston is a baseball town first and basketball town second).[/quote]




Nope, the Giants Igglets and other don't own their own stadium like the SKins(Thanks to JKC)...the Giants will solve that next year,also the Giants don't over sell the team like Snyder does.