Re: Haynesworth Appreciation Thread
 

You need your highest paid guys to be leaders. And when you have your highest paid guys showing up out of shape, taking plays off, constantly getting hurt, jumping off sides, missing games then I've got a problem with that. If he's so hurt then why was his ass down at the Wizards game walking around w/ out a cast? Then you miss the next few games? Tenn knew the deal and that's why they felt he wasn't worth the $. What about the guy on the Rams who said he takes plays off? I'm not saying AH doesn't have heart but BE A PROFESSIONAL. That means be in shape and be a leader and play your ass off. Sorry but I just don't see it. You know who is worth the $ he's being paid? Demarcus Ware. He's what I call a pro. You know who else? The two Williams guys on Minn.

Re: Haynesworth Appreciation Thread
 

I too like what I've seen from AH. Him not playing 100% of the plays doesn't bother me in the least. Who does? We've got capable, good backups too.

I do want AH to become the leader of the defense though. He's being paid to be that. If it's broke, he needs to start the solution. He needs to stand up and say he's here for the long haul, and he's going to do his best to get it fixed. I don't want to hear any second thoughts about coming to DC. He didn't say anything that bothers me, i'm just reading b/n the lines a little. Whatever happens, he needs to be Mr. Redskin, positive, and the face of this defense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;645129]Haynesworth plays 70+% of his defense's snaps, takes a breather on the sideline and he's a wimp...Riggins played 70+% of his offense's snaps (I'm guessing), sucks down oxygen every time he sat on the sidelines and he's a warrior[/quote]

Riggins goes to the hospital all week long in traction because of his back, then shows up on Sun. and balls. Meanwhile Mr. Haynesworth hurts his ankle but still finds time to go see basketball, doesn't wear a cast and misses 3 weeks and cries about not having leadership. I can't even believe that you're comparing the two. Wow.

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[quote=over the mountain;645168]BHA you just dont get it. Im saying AH is a great player but i dont think a fan mentioning or questioning his conditioning makes them stupid.[/quote]

not stupid. ignorant. there's a difference.

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[quote=over the mountain;645164]1) lol . .. . so saying someone who questions AH conditioning is ignorant? seriously?

2) please show me the stat that AH has played 70% of the defensive snaps. i think your making an educated guess.

3) agreed. the same people, experts etc who question his conditioning also say he makes everyone around him better

4) they have also said he takes plays off, will lay on the ground faking injury just to catch his breath, etc. ... you're referring to these same players right?

5) anyone with a different viewpoint from you is ignorant, prejudiced ect . . . :goodjob:


just like anyone who posted this offseason that CP has lost a step, not worth the money or headache was ignorant, prejudiced stupid etc. . . hows that 10 players to cut list looking now?[/quote]

1) If they do so in spite of the mountain of evidence pointing to the contrary, then yes.

2) See Smoots post.

3) who (other than some ignorant fans) are questioning his conditioning?

4) I don't know of players who've accused them of those things (guess i'm ignorant there), but i'd be curious to know who said those things and if they had an agenda of some sort.

5) see my response to post #1. questioning hanesworth's conditioning because despite evidence to the contrary is like questioning stephen hawkings intelligence because he hasn't figured out how to walk.

Re: Haynesworth Appreciation Thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;645177]Riggins goes to the hospital all week long in traction because of his back, then shows up on Sun. and balls. Meanwhile Mr. Haynesworth hurts his ankle but still finds time to go see basketball, doesn't wear a cast and misses 3 weeks and cries about not having leadership. I can't even believe that you're comparing the two. Wow.[/quote]

Maybe Haynesworth should "retire" for a year...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;645151]I agree wholeheartedly that Blache needs to go and we need a DC who will more effectively use Big Al. That said, i'm not at all dissatisfied with what we've seen from Haynesworth this year. Haynesworth plays more snaps than almost any other defensive player. When he's on the field, he gives 100% every play. He doesnt stay on the field and "take plays off" like alot of guys. When he's tired, he comes out for a play or two so a guy with fresh legs can give 100%. Haynesworth has been worth every penny and i do not understand the hate he gets here.[/quote]

I'm hoping when the new coaching staff is asembled whoever is head trainer will work with him on his conditioning. That should be his number one priority during the offseason, to come into training camp in better physical condition.

The one thing that concerns me about that little altercation in monday nights game is that it seems to always be the same people involved. I would like to see players cease activity once the whistle blows.

Re: Haynesworth Appreciation Thread
 

Its kind of hard to appreciate any player at this point in the season.

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[quote=Longtimefan;645184]I'm hoping when the new coaching staff is asembled whoever is head trainer will work with him on his conditioning. That should be his number one priority during the offseason, to come into training camp in better physical condition.

The one thing that concerns me about that little altercation in monday nights game is that it seems to always be the same people involved. I would like to see players cease activity once the whistle blows.[/quote]

The new coaching staff just needs to learn to utilize haynesworth (and orakpo and landry, for that matter) more effectively. It completely baffles me how we've got a defensive coordinator that is grossly misusing 27% of his defensive starters. however, considering his mentor is someone who misused lavar arrington and ran him out of time, we shouldn't be surprised.

as far as the altercation goes, i agree, activity should cease when the whistle blows. however, you've got to give haynesworth props for having the desire to defend his teammates. one thing that i think has been grossly lacking on this team under zorn's tenure is a sense of team.

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[quote=firstdown;645185]Its kind of hard to appreciate any player at this point in the season.[/quote]

very true. however, when there's so much to [U]not[/U] appreciate about this team, i'm happy we have a few bright spots (haynesworth, orakpo, fletcher, and fred davis) are about all i can name. perhaps campbell if we forget a couple of unforgivable interceptions.

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[quote=SmootSmack;645183]Maybe Haynesworth should "retire" for a year...[/quote]

:lol: Yeah like, "If you want me to get mean, show me the green" Riggins?

Re: Haynesworth Appreciation Thread
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;645187]very true. however, when there's so much to [U]not[/U] appreciate about this team, i'm happy we have a few bright spots ([B]haynesworth, orakpo, fletcher, and fred davis) are about all i can name. [/B] perhaps campbell if we forget a couple of unforgivable interceptions.[/quote]

you forgot thomas, i hope

Re: Haynesworth Appreciation Thread
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;645186]The new coaching staff just needs to learn to utilize haynesworth (and orakpo and landry, for that matter) more effectively. It completely baffles me how we've got a defensive coordinator that is grossly misusing 27% of his defensive starters. however, considering his mentor is someone who misused lavar arrington and ran him out of time, we shouldn't be surprised.

as far as the altercation goes, i agree, activity should cease when the whistle blows. however, you've got to give haynesworth props for having the desire to defend his teammates. one thing that i think has been grossly lacking on this team under zorn's tenure is a sense of team.[/quote]

I agree, and the principle I alluded to in reference to the altercation is not limited in scope, it should be applied at all times in every game throughout the league.

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[quote=SmootSmack;645183]Maybe Haynesworth should "retire" for a year...[/quote]

Bringing the business side to the argument doesn't make any sense to me. Riggins sat out cause he felt like he wasn't being paid enough. Was he a diva? Yep. But that's ok with me. Just show up on Sun. and take care of business and don't wear out your welcome. You never saw Riggins showing up out of shape did you?

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[quote=mlmdub130;645192]you forgot thomas, i hope[/quote]

i've cooled on him a bit. i'm still somewhat pleased with his performance, as I am to some degree with Levi Jones, Rocky McIntosh, DeAngelo Hall and Justin Tryon... they've all had moments where they shined, but not as consistently as the others i mentioned.

The roster needs to undergo some major changes over the next 2-3 years, but we do have some talent to build around.