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[quote=SmootSmack;809055]Uh oh...is that the sound of Don Hutson bandwagon revving up?[/quote]

Tom Fears baby. :silly:

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 

[quote=dmek25;808978]and how does one "carry" ones self like a hall of famer? like LT? this shouldnt matter at all. hell, a murderer is in the hall[/quote]
While LT was a slimeball off the field, he was a real leader and contributor to his team.

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[quote=Mattyk;809043]Over Rice? I love Monk but let's come back down to reality.[/quote]

Who did Monk have for QB's and who did Rice have? Monk's #'s with 1 good QB and 2 average QB are impressive, what would he have done with back to back HOF QB's. Don't under estimate Monk.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;809067]Who did Monk have for QB's and who did Rice have? Monk's #'s with 1 good QB and 2 average QB are impressive, what would he have done with back to back HOF QB's. Don't under estimate Monk.[/quote]

Montana had success before Jerry Rice. Steve Young however would not be in the HOF without have the benefit of Rice's talent.

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[quote=SmootSmack;809055]Uh oh...is that the sound of Don Hutson bandwagon revving up?[/quote]
[SIZE=4][B]Fred Biletnikoff[/B][/SIZE] or [SIZE=4][B]Raymond Berry


[/B][/SIZE]I can't decide!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;809067]Who did Monk have for QB's and who did Rice have? Monk's #'s with 1 good QB and 2 average QB are impressive, what would he have done with back to back HOF QB's. Don't under estimate Monk.[/quote]

Not underestimating him at all. I just don't put Monk in the class of Rice. I wouldn't put anyone in his class.

Monk was very good, Rice was great. Some even argue the single best football player to have played the game. Never heard anyone make that argument for Monk.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;809057]You would take Art Monk over Jerry Rice any day?

Should you ever apply for a job as a scout or in a personnel department for any NFL team, be sure to erase completely and permanently that comment from the Internet. That sentence alone will prevent you from getting that job.[/quote]

Maybe he could intern at the school of Vinny?

;)

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The fact is, the Hall of Fame...it's a weird place. The voting is weird. Nothing about the Hall of Fame makes sense. There seems to be a lot of pettiness amongst the members of the media who vote. One guy on NFL Network's Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame, one guy straight up said that Kenny Stabler will NEVER get his vote to be in the Hall of Fame based solely on character.

It's very nitpicky and full of grudges and personal vendettas.

Shoud T.O be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Sure, if you look at the numbers, which is what's really supposed to matter. He's one of the best wide receivers ever from that standpoint. Character crap aside, T.O always shows up ready to play, and he always seems to make the quarterbacks who throw to him better.

Will he be? Depends on whether the press either loves his antics because they gave them material or hates him.

There's so many wide receivers that should be in the Hall though, he might not make it in just because of the log jam at the position.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;809034]I second that and for that matter, I would take Monk over Rice any day.[/quote]

SFREDSKIN your homerism is hilarious. As much as we all love Art Monk, he was simply not the wr Jerry Rice was. Rice was a game breaker who could take a 5 yard slant all the way. Monk simply didn't have those kind of skills and very few did. Yeah having great QB's helped, but even if you put Monk in the old 49ers offense w/ Montana and Young, he's still not the TD producer that Rice was.

Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
 

[quote=NLC1054;809087]The fact is, the Hall of Fame...it's a weird place. The voting is weird. Nothing about the Hall of Fame makes sense. There seems to be a lot of pettiness amongst the members of the media who vote. One guy on NFL Network's Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame, one guy straight up said that Kenny Stabler will NEVER get his vote to be in the Hall of Fame based solely on character.

It's very nitpicky and full of grudges and personal vendettas.

Shoud T.O be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Sure, if you look at the numbers, which is what's really supposed to matter. He's one of the best wide receivers ever from that standpoint. Character crap aside, T.O always shows up ready to play, and he always seems to make the quarterbacks who throw to him better.

Will he be? Depends on whether the press either loves his antics because they gave them material or hates him.

[B]There's so many wide receivers that should be in the Hall though, he might not make it in just because of the log jam at the position[/B].[/quote]

That will probably be the explanation too.

I think Cris Carter has gotten robbed, and of course we know that Monk did too. So I won't be shocked if T.O. gets the snub for a year or two.

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[quote=Mattyk;809091]That will probably be the explanation too.

I think Cris Carter has gotten robbed, and of course we know that Monk did too. So I won't be shocked if T.O. gets the snub for a year or two.[/quote]

They also look a lot at post season production. What has TO done there? I don't feel like digging, but he only had success early with the 49ers and then the Eagles. I remember he played injured in the Super Bowl loss. Did he get injured in the playoffs or the regular season that year?

Overall, I don't think he has a lot to stand on for the post season (again, an impression without looking it up).

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Love Monk. But there were years you could have legitimately made the argument-with guys like Charlie Brown and Gary Clark-that Monk wasn't even the best WR on his team. In his prime, you never doubted that with Jerry Rice.

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[quote=Mattyk;809083]Maybe he could intern at the school of Vinny?

;)[/quote]

To bring this full circle; TO was drafted by Vinny!

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[quote=Mattyk;809078]Not underestimating him at all. I just don't put Monk in the class of Rice. I wouldn't put anyone in his class.

Monk was very good, Rice was great. Some even argue the single best football player to have played the game. Never heard anyone make that argument for Monk.[/quote]

You don't consider Art Monk a[COLOR="Red"] great[/COLOR] wide receiver?
:doh:

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[quote=dmek25;809063][B]his issue with the eagles was money[/B]. could have easily been handled by the eagle front office. but they chose to play hard ball. so i guess my answer to your question is yes. the redskins have NEVER had a receiver the caliber of Owens in his prime. closest thing was Taylor[/quote]

That was part of it, but that's no excuse for throwing your qb under the bus. McNabb didn't sign his checks. Seems like you're finding excuses for his behavior.

My answer would be no, TO would bring short term success & long-term stress.