Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=Meks;849114]IMO I'm not buying numbers, I prefer results over stats.

even he was a choke artist ... body of work for me is much greater in the long run for the loser from Philly .. but Carson could change all that in the next few years ..[/quote]I think you might be confused on what stats are.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=Chico23231;849109]ive just realized how bad this trumps our McNabb move big time. Thank god for the Raiders[/quote]

Well at least the Raiders have a reason to be a win-now team. We had no business trading for a QB last season, unless that QB was Brees, Manning, Rodgers, or Brady. As I said, this Raiders trade will be more of a disaster than our trade for McNabb if it fails. As for now, we have to wait and see what happens.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

I just perfer results over numbers .. unless its wins and division titles super bowls in this case zero etc etc

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=Meks;849121]I just perfer results over numbers .. unless its wins and division titles super bowls in this case zero etc etc[/quote]Maybe I'm confused on what you mean by results? Because all I did was post a page full of 'results.' That's the only thing I'm judging on here. It's not like I posted a scouting report on McNabb's mechanics vs. Palmer's mechanics, something that is also not close.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

With this deal, Oakland doesn't have a draft pick until the 5th round next year.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

Another big difference between the McNabb trade and the Palmer trade: The Eagles knew McNabb was done and they wanted to get rid of him. Palmer wanted out of a dysfunctional organization.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

Ok, who killed the real Mike Brown? I thought he was a man of principle. A man who never caved. XD

Oh, and fellas, if Carson "I'm almost dead" Palmer costs 2 1sts, Lucky Luck Luck is going to cost EVEN MORE. ;)

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

wins, division titles, post. season success albeit no rings..

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=Ruhskins;849129]Another big difference between the McNabb trade and the Palmer trade: The Eagles knew McNabb was done and they wanted to get rid of him. Palmer wanted out of a dysfunctional organization.[/quote]

Palmer hasnt been good for awhile. Hopefully he can get be in form. Im pulling for the Raiders in the West

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=Chico23231;849134][B]Palmer hasnt been good for awhile[/B]. Hopefully he can get be in form. Im pulling for the Raiders in the West[/quote]

Yet still Mike Brown refused to trade him.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=Meks;849133]wins, division titles, post. season success albeit no rings..[/quote]Are you counting McNabb's accomplishments before 2005, because since 2005, the Bengals won more division titles under Palmer than McNabb won.

But you're being silly. You asked me to reconsider/retract a statement that Palmer in his prime was much better than McNabb in his prime. Then you're talking about how many wins and playoff wins they have.

Regular season, Palmer's been better by every measure except longevity. Playoffs, we'll see. But it's not relevant to this argument or the trade.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=Ruhskins;849135]Yet still Mike Brown refused to trade him.[/quote]

Mike Brown is a proven idiot. Glad he gave in when he did. The guy made bank this time. If it wasnt for JC going down, trade wouldnt happened. Palmer still would be retired.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

[quote=hooskins;849128]With this deal, Oakland doesn't have a draft pick until the 5th round next year.[/quote]

They are the anti-Patriots. LOL. But yeah, this is terrible. They better filled their holes through free agency and get lucky with low-round picks.

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

Palmer 04-07 w-L.. 32-29 .... 08-10 , 14-22

don't have bum in front of me but I know its better than that. especially the 04-07

Re: Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

and u said PRIME VS PRIME ... not 05-07