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[quote=NC_Skins;917632]I hear McNabb is making a comeback so he can crack this list. (or is he?)



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7937570/nfl-time-donovan-mcnabb-retire]NFL - Time for Donovan McNabb to retire - ESPN[/url]


He claims to have lost 15 lbs and is "in shape".


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Must be Albert Haynesworth's definition of "in shape".

I find it hilarious this clown is now working on his mechanics and footwork. All those fans that trashed Shanny can now kiss his ass. That's why he's a coach and you are not.[/quote]

Lol, how McNabb is playing to public to being a bunch of ignorant morons ONCE AGAIN. Losing weight does not necessarily mean losing fat. It could be muscle loss too...depending on what he is actually doing.
But if indeed he has lost 15 pounds of fat...well one would infer that he sure as hell neglected cardio training in the past AND didn't keep his calorie consumption in control.

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[quote=mooby;917636]He must be on the "all you can eat" diet. I've followed that same diet myself over the years.[/quote]

Shape doesn't matter so much at QB. Big Ben is basically a fat slob but he produces so no one says anything. Other guys like Tom Brady and Eli Manning aren't world class athletes but know the mental side of the game so well that they succeed.


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Now compare this to some of the best 'in shape' QB's.
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McNabb's problems have almost always come from his lack of fundamentals not his weight. And this goes for other QB's as well. For example all the bicep curls in the world aren't going to stop Rex Grossman from fumbling once every 18 snaps.

QB is virtually the only position in team sports where you're better off sitting in a dark room in front of a TV or projector then you are spending time in the weight room.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;917725]Shape doesn't matter so much at QB. Big Ben is basically a fat slob but he produces so no one says anything. Other guys like Tom Brady and Eli Manning aren't world class athletes but know the mental side of the game so well that they succeed.


[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJ_AukZxPNQLQ7JQG1Z-7n4iYB0_AwldBFHs1pVnFebfaynGmawA[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREErjdbo_4W3iII8kM7l7aLzGT8hyFXEuhEu_9ZOXmMd6ET7ic[/IMG][IMG]https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVeoiXhVQhBS98DrmUZqu3q7IZXLhjPs2L7RxBTrMZmH97ayzv2A[/IMG][IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTetjFg6s90MImr0eW8UpsQS4NCQcwo0ePYgRArEPYxBg9c6eIml3EPFeIL[/IMG]

Now compare this to some of the best 'in shape' QB's.
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McNabb's problems have almost always come from his lack of fundamentals not his weight. And this goes for other QB's as well. For example all the bicep curls in the world aren't going to stop Rex Grossman from fumbling once every 18 snaps.
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QB is virtually the only position in team sports where you're better off sitting in a dark room in front of a TV or projector then you are spending time in the weight room.[/B][/quote]

Until you're puking in the middle of the Super Bowl with the game on the line. :FIREdevil
Being in muscular shape might not be as important, but if you're huffing and puffing and wheezing because you neglected cardio training...well, chances are that you will not be performing well.

And I would disagree Ben is such a slob. He couldn't play his sandlot football without being able to run well enough to make his escapes.

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the fat makes them harder to bring down in the pocket, don't really see any other benefits

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;917727]Until you're puking in the middle of the Super Bowl with the game on the line. :FIREdevil
Being in muscular shape might not be as important, but if you're huffing and puffing and wheezing because you neglected cardio training...well, chances are that you will not be performing well.

And I would disagree Ben is such a slob. He couldn't play his sandlot football without being able to run well enough to make his escapes.[/quote]

I agree. The only real "fitness" we need from a QB are the ability to take hits and the ability to have enough stamina to throw as well in the first quarter as they do in the 4th quarter.

As for Ben, no doubt he can run and escape. However in this day and age of Jersey Shore people have made the mistake of confusing athletic prowess with weather or not someone has a six pack. I think that was more of the point I was trying to make.

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[quote=mooby;917636]He must be on the "all you can eat" diet. I've followed that same diet myself over the years.[/quote]

Most athletes eat much more calories than the recommended daily intake for non-athletes. They simply burn up more calories due to the nature of their work. That does not mean type or quality does not matter, i.e Doritos and chips vs. freshly cooked bison meat, but the point is athletes devour more food than the average guy does.

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do we seriously have a player in the top 40?

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[quote=los panda;917728]the fat makes them harder to bring down in the pocket, don't really see any other benefits[/quote]

Im fat friendly

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looks like we have a player in the top 30

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[quote=los panda;920301]looks like we have a player in the top 30[/quote]

I'll start taking guesses. It's either Fred Davis, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, or D.Hall (I'm only including him here on status alone, if two FB's can make it a guy like D.Hall definitely could)

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[quote=los panda;917728]the fat makes them harder to bring down in the pocket, don't really see any other benefits[/quote]

Would that be a Hot Pocket?

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[quote=mooby;920306]I'll start taking guesses. It's either Fred Davis, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, or D.Hall (I'm only including him here on status alone, if two FB's can make it a guy like D.Hall definitely could)[/quote]

The only guy I can see making it is Rak.

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[quote=Mattyk;920352]The only guy I can see making it is Rak.[/quote]

I agree. Even though IMO Fletcher is a better player.

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[URL="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/16/2011s-best-performances-3-4-outside-linebackers/"]2011's Best Performances: 3-4 Outside Linebackers | ProFootballFocus.com[/URL]

saw this the other day

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that's interesting considering you normally want to handicap a player's results by the one outside of the bell curve. atleast that's my inherent internal function. it's a different paradigm to look at best individual performances at the micro scale. i like it.