Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=WillH;1186015][url]https://scout.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Former-Redskins-GM-Scot-McCloughan-Doesnt-See-Kirk-Cousins-As-Special-113893682[/url]

Interesting, but not especially novel. If Scott thought he was special they would have accepted his counter offer after 2015. As much as some wanted to believe that Scott was fighting with the FO to try to keep Cousins here, that he was the visionary that knew the year to year wouldn't work, based on what Cousins and McCloughan have said this off season, that doesn't add up.

It sounds more like Kirk overvalued himself after a strong second half of a season, Scott and the rest of the FO said prove it while we build a winning team around you, and then he outplayed statistically the value of his talent in their eyes, and ultimately it doesn't sound like Scott would pay him now, which isn't surprising given his philosophy on QBs.

If McCloughan sees the same in Cousins that the FO does, does that make losing him any more palatable to you?

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Here's what McCloughan is reported to have actually said:

[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/08/22/scot-mccloughan-we-kind-of-messed-up-on-kirk-cousins-contract/"]‘We Kind Of Messed Up’ On Kirk Cousins Contract[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-explains-what-hed-do-with-kirk-cousins/"]"So, personally, I'd do a long-term deal. It's best for the organization financially, and you're going to have to guarantee a lot up front and all of that, but, still, you've got somebody locked in who is in his prime, and now you're not scrambling. [/URL]

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1186019]Here's what McCloughan is reported to have actually said:

[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/08/22/scot-mccloughan-we-kind-of-messed-up-on-kirk-cousins-contract/"]‘We Kind Of Messed Up’ On Kirk Cousins Contract[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-explains-what-hed-do-with-kirk-cousins/"]"So, personally, I'd do a long-term deal. It's best for the organization financially, and you're going to have to guarantee a lot up front and all of that, but, still, you've got somebody locked in who is in his prime, and now you're not scrambling. [/URL][/QUOTE]

Those look like different interviews from earlier, but I get your point. He has said that he would try to sign him long-term, and thinks they should have sooner.

He still didn't do it though, when he had the chance. There is a lot of criticism being thrown around about not signing him sooner, and in retrospect it's a no brainer, but it just wasn't at the time and our savior that we all had placed our faith in (in Scott we trust), was part of that evaluation. And, as Scott said he would in Oct. (Second article you posted), the FO did try to sign him long term last off-season, but Cousins declined to counter, despite an offer that his agent said was clearly a good starting point for negotiations.That at least makes me feel less shitty about missing the boat on him. It wasn't organizational ignorance or incompetence, it was a sound decision that turned out to be the wrong move.

The only question that I think remains in terms of the organization's role in this is why Cousins doesn't have a peace here. Is he just bitter that he wasn't offered more sooner? Is it his relationship with Gruden? Is he not patient with the team building? Is there other dysfunction that we haven't heard about that has turned him off? Is it just about maximizing his earnings?

I think clearly the organization has played a role in whatever way in Cousins not wanting to be here, but he plays a big role in that as well. Without knowing the details though it's impossible to make a judgement about who's most at fault.

I will say this though, at this point, to me, Cousins is beginning to look more at fault than he did a month or two ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on his comments Cousins' main complaints seem to be:

1. The Redskins told me they needed more time to evaluate me after one good season of starting before signing a big long-term deal.

2. My favorite coach left, and he always propped me up. I believed in him more than anyone else here.

3. I put up good numbers, the losses aren't all my fault, but the team is judging me off of my record.

4. I haven't had a chance to shop around and I think I deserve that.

After he let everyone know he wasn't being made to feel unwelcome, was offered a legitimate starting offer, and now knowing that Scott was part of the decision not to sign him earlier, it's just hard to blame the FO, and Cousins perspective comes off as self centered. I mean, he has every right to feel the way he does and he's been an consumate professional about it, but where's the buy in and trust on his end, and why does he not understand that as an NFL QB he will always be asked to prove it?

Brady to this day has not lost the drive to prove himself and he's bought in to the people that gave him a shot, and he has found a balance in his negotiations between winning and being well compensated by not expecting his team to be limited by paying him a ridiculous percentage of the cap despite all of his success.

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Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

first, i laugh at the people that are acting like they are spending THEIR money on cousins. give him what the going market value is. somewhere between 25-30 per. this is a qb driven league. its usually the difference between winners, and losers. from 2 years ago he has proven what he can do with legit NFL receivers. the skins could have locked him up 2 years ago for around 20 million per. i get the feeling they dont want him? otherwise they should be very public in their desire to have him as the redskins leader. other then that bumbling statement and letter from Allen, they have been very quiet. its been a long time since we have had consistent QB play like cousins has given us. why is it always something with the redskins? every other team would have had him locked up, or traded by now?

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1186011]If he dies, he dies (if he leaves, he leaves)

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One of the best movies of all time and the best rocky

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

"The skins should not pay kirk cousins 100M " Fred Smoot.

He basically said the team would be strapped and could not sign players to help win over the long haul.

Former Redskins defensive back Fred Smoot, appearing on ESPN 980 via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post, is not taking that approach. He's going with the more popular and incendiary "burn it all" tactic, saying Cousins should not be "off the hook" for slow starts again this season and that Cousins will "bankrupt the team" if they cave on his contract demands.

The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

So tired of this BS of paying your QB means you can’t pay anyone else. It’s such a weak argument. Smoot is way off the mark.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=MTK;1186049]So tired of this BS of paying your QB means you can’t pay anyone else. It’s such a weak argument.[/quote]

It all boils down to wins, if we had a 10-6 record and made the playoffs they would have all said yes pay him.

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We will have to make some sacrifices over the long term, but you hope it's in situations like Breeland, where it's a decent player but you can let him go because you're encouraged by the talent you've developed behind him (Moreau, Fuller, Dunbar).

Ultimately, that's the key. Cousins or no Cousins, this team isn't going anywhere without drafting really well. We'll have to do that to continually replace whoever leaves in free agency.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186030]One of the best movies of all time and the best rocky[/quote]


I personally like 3 the best. 5 was so bad that it's comical to watch.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

I think the Redskins ( Dan, Bruce, Doug and Jay) like Kirk. They don't love him. And that's what all this really boils down to. If they loved the guy then he'd have a LTD.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1186052]I personally like 3 the best. 5 was so bad that it's comical to watch.[/quote]

5 sucked, the Creed movie was really good

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1186053]I think the Redskins ( Dan, Bruce, Doug and Jay) like Kirk. They don't love him. And that's what all this really boils down to. If they loved the guy then he'd have a LTD.[/quote]

I [B][U]don't[/U][/B] like Dan and Bruce, I think they have done a below average job. When it boils down to it, are we getting rid of them?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186055]5 sucked, the Creed movie was really good[/quote]

i was an extra in the Creed movie - most was filmed in philly - it was a long day, but cool. Made $100 and met Sly Stallone - even tho im more of an Arnold fan.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=Meks;1186058]i was an extra in the Creed movie - most was filmed in philly - it was a long day, but cool. Made $100 and met Sly Stallone - even tho im more of an Arnold fan.[/quote]

That's awesome man lol, I would have loved that

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/former-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-191102503.html[/url]

"I don't see special" Scot M on Kirk