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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1192759]You can drop down Fitzpatrick and James all over the defense. I hope Swearinger and Monte start all 16. That wouldn't deter me at all from picking either of those 2 if available.

The closer I get to the draft the more I want Ward, Fitzpatrick, James, or a trade down to around 20 (give me Guice, Vea, or Payne there, in addition to 1st 3 if any magically fall that far).[/quote]

I agree on both points. First, they play 5 DBs all the time.

Second, the Redskins have so many needs trading down makes sense. They need help at virtually every position. And with only 2 high picks they are not going to turn things around quickly.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1192758]Well, that didn't take long.



Just listened to Cooley's film breakdown.



The bottom line is he isn't Fournette. He is a less talented version of Fournette who Cooley said emphatically shouldn't be taken at 13 or in the 1st round at all.



Listen to it and see what you think, it is labeled as the film breakdown on 980 website. No link to the clip.[/QUOTE]


Cooley also isn’t a fan of Vea or Payne at 13, he did some good breakdowns on them this week.

He’s all in on Ronald Jones at RB, not at 13 obviously

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[QUOTE=MTK;1192762]Cooley also isn’t a fan of Vea or Payne at 13, he did some good breakdowns on them this week.

He’s all in on Ronald Jones at RB, not at 13 obviously[/QUOTE]Yea. The Payne Vea hesitancy is interesting.

The big knock on Vea is drafting a player who will play a limited amount of snaps at such a high position.

The second concern is he supposedly takes plays off. BUT, he was playing 70% of snaps at 350 pounds in the college game where there are way more snaps. If the team was convinced it was workload and not work ethic, I would be ok with Vea at 13.

I think he could take a guard or center and put him in the QB's lap in nickle.

According to Cooley, Payne has no rush skills either.



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Who does Captain Chaos like at 13 for us?

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[quote=Chico23231;1192061]Who I want them to take: Daron Payne DL


My best guess on who they will take: Vea Vita DL


Most disappointed if they do take: Calvin Ridley WR[/quote]

Can't lose with any of them. You line up Ridley with Richardson and co and you can have some fun again. Doctson is still a toss up in my mind and you need to give AS some nice big targets to throw to. Either DL is a quality pick and will be an instant starter. I am with you DL is top priority, but if they go Ridley, I won't have a meltdown. Face it, anyone of these three guys will be instant upgrade.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192758]Well, that didn't take long.

Just listened to Cooley's film breakdown.

The bottom line is he isn't Fournette. He is a less talented version of Fournette who Cooley said emphatically shouldn't be taken at 13 or in the 1st round at all.

Listen to it and see what you think, it is labeled as the film breakdown on 980 website. No link to the clip.[/quote]

Now is he as talented as Fournette? No, but from a production standpoint I watched every LSU game this season and to say he isnt a 1st round pick at all is asanine. The production is there, he led the SEC in rusbing with Fournette there. Cooley also said just keep picling backs in the 4th and 5th till you find one then said David Johnson was a 5th round pick when he was a 3rd.

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Trading back is cool in theory but you have to find a willing partner to trade with and not trade yourself out of a player you actually want just for a pick. (2011 we traded down with JJ Watt on the board and ended up with Kerrigan and Jarvis freaking Jenkins

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I really don't disagree with you.

I wouldn't be upset if our talent evaluators drafted him based on their grade, not Cooley's at whatever pick matches their grade.

I have read about and totally agree with the idea that college production should be discounted somewhat and traits should be prioritized in assigning grades.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1192772]I really don't disagree with you.

I wouldn't be upset if our talent evaluators drafted him based on their grade, not Cooley's at whatever pick matches their grade.

I have read about and totally agree with the idea that college production should be discounted somewhat and traits should be prioritized in assigning grades.

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Yeah, it is a crap shoot and my top 4 wish list is Guice, James. Fitzpatrick, or Payne

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My feeling now is minkah Fitzpatrick is there it’s a no brainer. The Skins would probably reject all offers to move back and take Fitzpatrick. This is the guy they want

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Just listened to Friday's Cooley show.

He broke down Ronald Johnson USC TH.

Said he is better than Guice and was a perfect fit for our scheme. He is a second round guy which would free up 13 for defense.

He also did breakdowns on Vea and Payne. He said they would instantly become the best run defender on the roster of drafted.

He doesn't like them at 13 because of lack of versatility. It's a really good listen. Goes into strengths and weaknesses.

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[quote=Chico23231;1192774]My feeling now is minkah Fitzpatrick is there it’s a no brainer. The Skins would probably reject all offers to move back and take Fitzpatrick. This is the guy they want[/quote]

You say this based on what information?

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Who I want them to take: trade down


My best guess on who they will take: no clue


Most disappointed if they do take: Da'ron Payne

players that I like at pick 13:

Lamar Jackson
Baker Mayfield
Denzel Ward
Derwin James
Josh Jackson
Jaire Alexander
Calvin Ridley
[B]Maurice Hurst [/B] - my favorite player but 13 could be "too early" for him but he'll certainly be gone by the next pick
Will Hernandez

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My Board. I put a spacer in there intentionally because I feel like there's a talent dropoff at that point. The hope would be one of those guys in the top 9 drop down to us. And if it's any of the QBs then trade down is really in play.

I want a very athletic player out of this first pick. Having it in the secondary would thrill me with James or Minkah. That'd be my first preference.

1) Saquon Barkley
2) Bradley Chubb
3) Quentin Nelson
4) Sam Darnold
5) Minkah Fitzpatrick
6) Josh Rosen
7) Derwin James
8) Roquan Smith
9) Tremaine Edmunds

10) Josh Allen
11) Denzel Ward
12) Vita Vea
13) Marcus Davenport
14) Baker Mayfield
15) Calvin Ridley
16) Josh Jackson
17) Da'Ron Payne

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And I should note. Just because I have Calvin Ridley at 15 and Da'Ron Payne at 17 doesn't mean I'd take Ridley over Payne. I think the grades are close enough there that I'd break the tie and go for need.

So maybe I need to tier this a bit more, visually:

1) Saquon Barkley
2) Bradley Chubb
3) Quentin Nelson
4) Sam Darnold
5) Minkah Fitzpatrick
6) Josh Rosen
7) Derwin James
8) Roquan Smith
9) Tremaine Edmunds

10) Josh Allen
11) Denzel Ward

12) Vita Vea
13) Marcus Davenport

14) Baker Mayfield
15) Calvin Ridley
16) Josh Jackson
17) Da'Ron Payne