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Anyone notice that when you anagramize the name LaVar Arrington you get "Raving Oral Rant"

just saying is all

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Anyone notice that when you anagramize the name LaVar Arrington you get "Raving Oral Rant"

just saying is all[/QUOTE]

you fail to disappoint. just when i start thinking you might be slipping up... How did you come up with that?? If you did yourself I have nothing to say but you are a man among men. Bravo...

Did you think of that yourself?

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]you fail to disappoint. just when i start thinking you might be slipping up... How did you come up with that?? If you did yourself I have nothing to say but you are a man among men. Bravo...

Did you think of that yourself?[/QUOTE]

yes, I've had a rough day and I'm doing anything I can to take my mind off stuff

Let's anagramize BigSkinBauer

U are gibbs kin...woah! (as you can see, I had to remove an "i" to make it work)

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Yah he is on my mothers side of the family...

FAT SAK.... its funny to me.


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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]yes, I've had a rough day and I'm doing anything I can to take my mind off stuff

Let's anagramize BigSkinBauer

U are gibbs kin...woah! (as you can see, I had to remove an "i" to make it work)[/QUOTE]

Actually i must say that i see no removal of any "i". I have two "i"s in my name and there are two 'i's in that anagram. That is awesome!

that is one talent you got there.

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[QUOTE=saden1]LaVar said "I want to come back and walk in FedEx Field once a year." Now that sounds personal! I'm pretty sure he'll sign with the Giants as they have depleted LB core.[/QUOTE]

After reading that in the Post article, he's dead to me. Hopefully he'll be out of position when we play him and Portis will break off a big one.

Given that the NFC East rivals are all in the market for OLBs and Arrington wants to play in the NFC East, who does he go to? Cowboys, Eagles, or Giants? I say he goes to the Cowboys (even though he says it might tough to go there and he ended Aikman's career). He'd love that sort of drama.

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Bram Weinstein on the John Tompson radio show today: [i]"The Redskins made the right offer and Lavar made the right decision."[/i]

I enjoyed watching him play, but he ceased to be the key linebacker two seasons ago. That honor belongs to Marcus Washington. I'd be upset if Washington left.

I notice the Skins do not keep a player who does not want to be here: Coles, Gardiner, Bailey, now Arrington.

Maybe he signs with the [color=purple]Ravens.[/color] R. Lewis is outta there and they may be interested. Then he gets to stay in the area. I hear he has a big house on the Chesapeake.

[b][color=red]Thank you, Lavar, for all you've done. I wish the best for your career -- unless you sign with a NFC East team.[/color][/b]

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If someone had told me a few seasons ago that Champ, Smoot, Coles, and Arrington would be gone, I would have told them they were crazy.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]If someone had told me a few seasons ago that Champ, Smoot, Coles, and Arrington would be gone, I would have told them they were crazy.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I would have been pretty shocked too, but if that same person said but Joe Gibbs will be our head coach again I would have hmmmm ok, fair enough trade-off!!

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Yah he is on my mothers side of the family...

FAT SAK.... its funny to me.


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Actually i must say that i see no removal of any "i". I have two "i"s in my name and there are two 'i's in that anagram. That is awesome!

that is one talent you got there.[/QUOTE]

hey you're right, I don't know why I said you had to remove an "i"

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Everybody wants to hate on the guy, but fact is fact he is going to be so motivated to get back to his old self. He is going to sign with a NFC east team, and as Wilbon said this morning, Parcells mouth is watering seeing that 56 on the free agent market. For some reason we failed to use LaVar in ways that would maximize his talent. If Parcells signs him, you watch out. the guy will make plays all day long. I just have a very bad feeling about him saying he wants to walk back into fed x once a year. All 3 NFC east teams are looking for OLB, so its a very high percentage he will sign with one of those teams. Its going to turn out to be one of the stupidest moves of all time for the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Everybody wants to hate on the guy, but fact is fact he is going to be so motivated to get back to his old self. He is going to sign with a NFC east team, and as Wilbon said this morning, Parcells mouth is watering seeing that 56 on the free agent market. For some reason we failed to use LaVar in ways that would maximize his talent. If Parcells signs him, you watch out. the guy will make plays all day long. I just have a very bad feeling about him saying he wants to walk back into fed x once a year. All 3 NFC east teams are looking for OLB, so its a very high percentage he will sign with one of those teams. Its going to turn out to be one of the stupidest moves of all time for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

Who's hating him? I'm crushed that he's gone and terrified that he might come back...even once a year! I just wish he would stay away from the NFC East so that we could continue to cheer for him regularly.

I like Coach Gibbs and Coach Williams, but this is one time I want them to go home kicking themselves for not figuring out how to use a player.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Everybody wants to hate on the guy, but fact is fact he is going to be so motivated to get back to his old self. He is going to sign with a NFC east team, and as Wilbon said this morning, Parcells mouth is watering seeing that 56 on the free agent market. For some reason we failed to use LaVar in ways that would maximize his talent. If Parcells signs him, you watch out. the guy will make plays all day long. I just have a very bad feeling about him saying he wants to walk back into fed x once a year. All 3 NFC east teams are looking for OLB, so its a very high percentage he will sign with one of those teams. Its going to turn out to be one of the stupidest moves of all time for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]I will agree we did not do the best job of using his talent but I will have to add that he did not use his talent to fit the team. I think Lavar thought that after his injury he could just strap on his shoes and be the starter. He did not do what the coaches wanted to learn the system and thus did not get himself in position to play and make plays. He has alot of god given talent but it is a team sport and in Williams D it requires players to be patient and wait for the play to come to them. He will make alot of big plays for another team but how many will he give up. Its like a corner who always goes for the ball. On one play they look great but they get beat way to often.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]I will agree we did not do the best job of using his talent but I will have to add that he did not use his talent to fit the team. I think Lavar thought that after his injury he could just strap on his shoes and be the starter. He did not do what the coaches wanted to learn the system and thus did not get himself in position to play and make plays. He has alot of god given talent but it is a team sport and in Williams D it requires players to be patient and wait for the play to come to them. He will make alot of big plays for another team but how many will he give up. Its like a corner who always goes for the ball. On one play they look great but they get beat way to often.[/QUOTE]

I am seriously tired of all that crap and talk of him not playing within the system. blah blah blah. that is retarded. The guy is a fanominal LB and Dallas,NY,or Philly will use him and find out exactly what we couldn't. The guy went through 5 or 6 different coaches learning a new position, a new scheme every single year. name a player on that defense that has been through that year in and year out. Wynn, so what, he plays end. there is no one else. Go to work and have a different boss with you learniing a new job every year and see how you do. it will take a while. the fact is in 3 of those 5 years he made the pro bowl. This year would have been the first time he had played with the same D-cord since he was drafted. He got hurt, then lost his job. Just like trotter now beasting it up in Philly because we cut him too early before he was 100%, same thing with LaVar. He will be back to his old self and got help Brunell or Campbell when Dallas comes to town. LaVar will kill em!

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]After reading that in the Post article, he's dead to me. Hopefully he'll be out of position when we play him and Portis will break off a big one.

Given that the NFC East rivals are all in the market for OLBs and Arrington wants to play in the NFC East, who does he go to? Cowboys, Eagles, or Giants? I say he goes to the Cowboys (even though he says it might tough to go there and he ended Aikman's career). He'd love that sort of drama.[/QUOTE]

yeah, he would love that drama. Actually, while I love Lavar, I disagree w/some who talk about his "passion" for the game. He's got a passion for the big play but at the expense of every down consistency.That said,I think he's looking for the biggest stage possible, where he can begin to market himself for life after football, maybe do more ads & try some acting. Dallas would give him a lot of exposure & the drama would be huge when we play them. J. Jones would love to sign him, but i bet parcell's would not be so quick to agree. They just drafted Demarcus Ware & he plays weakside, Lavar's natural position. Plus, I don't see Parcells appreciating his game that much. on the other hand, Lavar's at a point where he needs to prove himself to a coaching staff. Kinda like Keyshaun but w/different circumstances. I think Lavar will become a good linebacker somewhere, better than he was for us, but maybe not for that much longer. Ultimately I think he'll get out of football after 3 years. I don't think its his life like it is for some guys who play to their mid 30s.
It will be interesting to see if Coughlin or Reid will want him as well. Coughlin could be swayed by AP for or against lavar, & Reid & co. might not want to take on another attention seeking ego w/baggage after their TO debacle.

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You act like LaVar is a disruption to the team. There are going to be a ton of teams out there trying to bring him in. They wont need to be persuaded into signing him. Right now there is said to be 10 teams, all the NFC east teams are some of them. Parcells, not interested in #56, are you crazy! He is the mold of LT, passionate, looking to kill the QB, fast, strong, great athlete. I think it will be hard for him not to sign him.

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Saying he didn't play within the system isn't hating, it's the truth. Ask any of his coaches going back to Penn State, that's always been the constant knock on his game. He relies too heavily on his natural abilities, that's fine for some coordinators but obviously it's not what Gregg Williams and the rest of our defensive staff wants.

Best of luck to him, but I don't think he'll be missed around here. He missed a large part of the past two years and our defense has been just fine.

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Lavar has passion for the game. He biggest problem was the redskins prior to gibbs he had a differnt d-coordinator almost every year and never got comfortable in any system. He loved the skins. if anybody in here went to a home game last season even when he wasnt playing he getting the crowd pumped up. i remember before the philly game on sunday night before kick-off they showed him on the big screen in the stadium and Fed-Ex got pumped up even more. I hate to see him go because i dont want to have to play him twice a year he is going to be out to prove the skins wrong about his ability.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]You act like LaVar is a disruption to the team. There are going to be a ton of teams out there trying to bring him in. They wont need to be persuaded into signing him. Right now there is said to be 10 teams, all the NFC east teams are some of them. Parcells, not interested in #56, are you crazy! He is the mold of LT, passionate, looking to kill the QB, fast, strong, great athlete. I think it will be hard for him not to sign him.[/QUOTE]

i know you got a man crush, but seriously. he and dale lindsey were yelling at each other in the locker rooms and some players were siding with lavar. he was a distraction and gibbs is all about the team. he also whined to the media more often than he should have.

He's handled his parting of ways very very well, and he's always been completely clean off the field and been good with the media.

BUT,
he never liked film study and never made much of an attempt to improve his game. he didn't use move (rip, tear, spin) when rushing the QB as much as trying to bowl people over. lindsey probably got pretty pissed becauses out of all the LBs here, he was the only one that didn't work on technique or field awareness. He's been living on his natural talent thusfar and the problem, of course, is once you get hurt and slow down your advantage over other players becomes much less noticeable.

sean taylor also has the same type of crazy talent, but he's been working on technique and film study, and he's already making plays like he did in college.

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Word is that Antonio Pierce is making a big push to sign Lavar....

[url]http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/114171404371310.xml&coll=1[/url]

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My uncle is an orthopedic surgeon who's talked to those close with his knee conditon. He seems to believe his career is nearing an end. If you take a hard look at him last season you can see he lost a step. I think it was a good move to release him.... Arrington has the heart of a lion, but with a bum knee I think he'll trickle away.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]
Best of luck to him, but I don't think he'll be missed around here. He missed a large part of the past two years and our defense has been just fine.[/QUOTE]
I was just talking about this with someone. I have yet to go Oh shit we lost lavar now the team will suck. If we lost a randy thomas, a chris cooley, santana, portis, marcus, lamar, sean, Grif, Jansen, Samuels, or even ryan clark, joe salavea, Doc, Rabach, sellers, or Carlos I would Say OH SHIT WE LOST THEM NOW WE ARE GOING TO SUCK. Obviously one player couldn't ruin a team but I would say we lost someone who was benefiting the team. I would be scared that the team would get worse without them. I don't feel that way about lavar. The only place he will be missed is in the hearts of redskin fans, but not on the field.

I think that is surprising. I feel we lost someone important to the team but i don't feel he really mattered in production.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Word is that Antonio Pierce is making a big push to sign Lavar....

[url]http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/114171404371310.xml&coll=1[/url][/QUOTE]

YES i SAW THE SAME THING AS ARRINGTON say HE LIKE TO GO TO A TEAM THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM to Play a game in DC area! Dose that mean a NFC East foe?

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Word is that Antonio Pierce is making a big push to sign Lavar....

[url="http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/114171404371310.xml&coll=1"]http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/114171404371310.xml&coll=1[/url][/QUOTE]

Fu@K Antonio Muther fu#K'n Pierce. Piece'o' blue terd.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]YES i SAW THE SAME THING AS ARRINGTON say HE LIKE TO GO TO A TEAM THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM to Play a game in DC area! Dose that mean a NFC East foe?[/QUOTE]

when asked where do you want to play he said in the NFC EAST. Straight out. He said he oculdn't wear a dallas jersey but I think he has a great chance at either NY or Philly. After that it goes to the chargers, vikings, browns, cinci, pittsburg, maybe even the dolphins.

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I think that part of the conflict here is that while all of us put our hearts into the Skins, there are also certain players out there that many of us pull for independent of teams: Arrington, Bettis, Donovan McNabb, Warrick Dunn. Guys who are terrific players and great men. It sucks to see one of them get caught in a position like this. I'm a big fan of Lavar as much for his character as for his animal instincts on the field. I just wish things could have worked out here for him and that we could have kept such a "character guy" as one of the Redskin faces. We might find another player who can step in and play, but there is more to a guy like Lavar than just QB Kills. Like I said before, it will be strange seeing HIM in a different uniform.

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Players know when someone is good or over hyped. LaVar is a good LB. Alot of teams will be begging the coach or GM to go out and get him. Especially ones who have played with him(pierce, trotter) Whether or not he played within this system or that system, to say he didn't like doing this or didn't like doing that is hear say. Show me a coach saying he didn't study film, or he didn't work on this or that. I do believe I heard Joe and GW last year praising him for his work in the film room and practice field.(when he started playing) I agree with one guy out here,forgot your ID man, we will miss LaVar more as a Redskin than what he has actually done on the field the last two years. there is no debate we played pretty damn good without him. However, I feel sorry for those who have doubted his ability lately. He is going to prove alot of people wrong, and I have a feeling he will purposely chose and NFC east team so he can stick it in Joes, GW, and Dannys ass every time they play us.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]You act like LaVar is a disruption to the team. There are going to be a ton of teams out there trying to bring him in. They wont need to be persuaded into signing him. Right now there is said to be 10 teams, all the NFC east teams are some of them. Parcells, not interested in #56, are you crazy! He is the mold of LT, passionate, looking to kill the QB, fast, strong, great athlete. I think it will be hard for him not to sign him.[/QUOTE]

He was at some point, though that gets into a complicated mess w/his notorious agents & who was to blame for starting that. I don't know that any of us can make that call in the $ dispute, but as fans we have read that several coaches dating back to P.St. have been frustrated w/his freelancing (see an earlier post, believe it was mattyk).
don't get me wrong, I'm a lavar fan & i really wanted to see him stay & mature, but don't overstate his performance, he's a home run hitter, which means he also strikes out a lot. He was stunted by the coaching turnover (as today's wilbon article points out), but he's never seemed to play disciplined in any system.
If parcells wants him where will they play him? Strongside linebacker? Move D. Ware to strongside & put Lavar at weakside. That might work best, but then they'd have their best pass rusher, Ware, over the tight end. Somebody would be unhappy. I'm not crazy, but comparing LA to LT seems close. I could see him in Dallas only if they got him for a very cheap price, say $1 mil/year w/bonus at 2-3 mil. The Giants, that seems more likely. Of course a lot of other teams will be interested in him, he's only 27. According to espn.com a lot of teams were interested in 31 yr. old Derek Smith, but that doesn't make him a hall of famer.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Players know when someone is good or over hyped. LaVar is a good LB. Alot of teams will be begging the coach or GM to go out and get him. Especially ones who have played with him(pierce, trotter) Whether or not he played within this system or that system, to say he didn't like doing this or didn't like doing that is hear say. Show me a coach saying he didn't study film, or he didn't work on this or that. I do believe I heard Joe and GW last year praising him for his work in the film room and practice field.(when he started playing) I agree with one guy out here,forgot your ID man, we will miss LaVar more as a Redskin than what he has actually done on the field the last two years. there is no debate we played pretty damn good without him. However, I feel sorry for those who have doubted his ability lately. He is going to prove alot of people wrong, and I have a feeling he will purposely chose and NFC east team so he can stick it in Joes, GW, and Dannys ass every time they play us.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I think he'll play better for someone now (as I'd posted earlier) that he'll have something to prove & will likely be more disciplined. Wish he could've stayed here & grown up as a professional more.
As for film study, see Trotter's comments from last year - he said that 'if Lavar studied film & treated the job as a pro', he would great. Sad thing is, this might be lavar's wakeup call.

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Sorry to be so late with a comment but I've been in East Africa for the past two weeks.

This rupture between Arrington and the Redskins happened two years ago when there was the dispute over his contract and the Redskins played hard-ball with him. Yes, they had the signed contract on their side, but they CHOSE to play hardball and that put a crack in the "Redskin-for-life" posture. Then there was the business about how the team "mishandled" his injury two seasons ago and don't forget how he said he didn't know why he wasn't playing last year and Gibbs said he spent more time talking to LaVar than he did with any other player he ever coached. The relationship there was headed south...

Folks, this was a train wreck happening and all you had to do was take off the burgundy colored glasses and you'd see it. Who's to blame? Probably everyone involved here. And it won't do a damned bit of good to try to assess the blame.

Here's the deal. Gibbs and Williams want a "system defense" made up of highly disciplined players who carry out their assignments. LaVar Arrington does not prefer to play football that way and there was fundamental friction there and there would have been friction there in the future if he stayed.

The question in my mind is why didn't the Skins figure out a way to get Coles to pay them to become a free agent last year? If someone doesn't want to stay here and the coaches don't want to have them around all that much, wouldn't it be nice to make them pay the team $4M for the privilege of leaving town?

By my calculation, Arrington is out $4M at the moment. He was not likely ever to see the $6.5M roster bonus he was supposed to get this summer so that is not any real loss to him. Now what he needs to do is to get a deal that pays him a $4M signing bonus plus a base salary this year bigger than the one he had last year and he's ahead of the game. At age 27, he's likely to get that.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]
The question in my mind is why didn't the Skins figure out a way to get Coles to pay them to become a free agent last year? If someone doesn't want to stay here and the coaches don't want to have them around all that much, wouldn't it be nice to make them pay the team $4M for the privilege of leaving town?
[/QUOTE]


coles offered, but if he paid, they wouldn't have gotten anythign in return for him. Moss and his currently undervalued contract is a much better deal than the 5mill.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Sorry to be so late with a comment but I've been in East Africa for the past two weeks.

This rupture between Arrington and the Redskins happened two years ago when there was the dispute over his contract and the Redskins played hard-ball with him. Yes, they had the signed contract on their side, but they CHOSE to play hardball and that put a crack in the "Redskin-for-life" posture. Then there was the business about how the team "mishandled" his injury two seasons ago and don't forget how he said he didn't know why he wasn't playing last year and Gibbs said he spent more time talking to LaVar than he did with any other player he ever coached. The relationship there was headed south...

Folks, this was a train wreck happening and all you had to do was take off the burgundy colored glasses and you'd see it. Who's to blame? Probably everyone involved here. And it won't do a damned bit of good to try to assess the blame.

Here's the deal. Gibbs and Williams want a "system defense" made up of highly disciplined players who carry out their assignments. LaVar Arrington does not prefer to play football that way and there was fundamental friction there and there would have been friction there in the future if he stayed.

The question in my mind is why didn't the Skins figure out a way to get Coles to pay them to become a free agent last year? If someone doesn't want to stay here and the coaches don't want to have them around all that much, wouldn't it be nice to make them pay the team $4M for the privilege of leaving town?

By my calculation, Arrington is out $4M at the moment. He was not likely ever to see the $6.5M roster bonus he was supposed to get this summer so that is not any real loss to him. Now what he needs to do is to get a deal that pays him a $4M signing bonus plus a base salary this year bigger than the one he had last year and he's ahead of the game. At age 27, he's likely to get that.[/QUOTE]

jambo bwana! caribu
The cba situation gave the team leverage as opposed to Coles' situation last year. Also, I think Coles called them on a "promise" to release him, one of Gibbs' mistakes not to be repeated.
The "hardball" stance that the skins took probably had as much to do w/his agents than w/Lavar. I think Snyder took it personally that Lavar sided w/the postons (who Danny hates) over him more than just the issue of $6.5 mil.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Players know when someone is good or over hyped. LaVar is a good LB. Alot of teams will be begging the coach or GM to go out and get him. Especially ones who have played with him(pierce, trotter) Whether or not he played within this system or that system, to say he didn't like doing this or didn't like doing that is hear say. Show me a coach saying he didn't study film, or he didn't work on this or that. I do believe I heard Joe and GW last year praising him for his work in the film room and practice field.(when he started playing) I agree with one guy out here,forgot your ID man, we will miss LaVar more as a Redskin than what he has actually done on the field the last two years. there is no debate we played pretty damn good without him. However, I feel sorry for those who have doubted his ability lately. He is going to prove alot of people wrong, and I have a feeling he will purposely chose and NFC east team so he can stick it in Joes, GW, and Dannys ass every time they play us.[/QUOTE]

its also possible a player is good and overhyped. He talked to the media a lot, he's a good tv personality, so people get more attached to him than to what he actually provides on the field day in and day out.

lindsey trashed him, lewis said he was the hardest player he's ever coached, gibbs said he's talked to lavar more than anyone. at penn state they complained about it too. trotter and him DIDN'T get along well. his ability lately hasn't been great cause he was slow last year compared to his pre-injury speed.

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Even though I new it was coming. Lavar was my favorite player. So it's a sad day in Redskins land for me.
I wish the best for Lavar. I wish he could go home to Pittsburgh,but the Steelers are cheap when it comes to paying players. So I really don't see that happening. I'm just Praying Arrington stays out of the NFC East. And away from Redskin QB's.
Good luck Lavar. Thanks for being a bright spot and leader threw some bad years. You will be missed. :httr: