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RedskinPete 03-27-2007 12:48 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;291769]Anyone got odds on us throwing in a 2008 pick to seal the deal?[/QUOTE] our second pick sounds fair! Danny must be fun being around buying a car!

That Guy 03-27-2007 12:48 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
ugh. and i thought the skins were doing so well. if that #31 pick doesn't turn into a pro-bowl DL guy, and okoye/carriker/adams/branch do, I won't forgive this one.

best DE at that spot is hoping anderson really falls off :/.

RedskinPete 03-27-2007 12:49 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;291780]Too true my friend. However the way I look at it is heres what we had to look at. Either get a Pro Bowl Defensive Playmaker and a defensive starter or get three starters. Personally I would rather take the first option.[/QUOTE] God I wish we had Dave Butz and his road kill ways!!!

RedskinPete 03-27-2007 12:51 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=That Guy;291782]ugh. and i thought the skins were doing so well. if that #31 pick doesn't turn into a pro-bowl DL guy, and okoye/carriker/adams/branch do, I won't forgive this one.

best DE at that spot is hoping anderson really falls off :/.[/QUOTE] A few mock drafts have him fall out of the first round. I guess his pro day went bad.

Beemnseven 03-27-2007 12:52 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=That Guy;291782]ugh. and i thought the skins were doing so well. if that #31 pick doesn't turn into a pro-bowl DL guy, and okoye/carriker/adams/branch do, I won't forgive this one.

best DE at that spot is hoping anderson really falls off :/.[/QUOTE]

Any chance Branch falls that far? The way he's talked about here, it seems people absolutely hate him now.

ArtMonkDrillz 03-27-2007 12:52 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
How excited are Bears fans about this deal right now? You lose a guy who plans on sitting out this season anyways and you move up 25 spots to the #6 pick, which you can then use to get an instant starter or you can trade to someone like Denver for even more picks.

Dirtbag59 03-27-2007 12:53 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=That Guy;291782]ugh. and i thought the skins were doing so well. if that #31 pick doesn't turn into a pro-bowl DL guy, and okoye/carriker/adams/branch do, I won't forgive this one.

best DE at that spot is hoping anderson really falls off :/.[/quote]

Your forgetting that Lamar Woodly, Charles Johnson, and Anthony Spencer will probably be around at #31. Personally Woodly sounds perfect for us. Check this out.

[SIZE=3][B]LaMarr Woodley[/B][/SIZE]
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[B]Strengths:[/B] Possesses good bulk for his shorter frame and excellent top-end speed. He is at his best when turned loose up-the-field. Does a good job of finding the ball and quickly disengaging in order to pursue. He never gives up on a play and he displays an outstanding motor. He has improved his strength and did a much better job anchoring when teams ran at him as a senior in 2006. He shows excellent first-step quickness and is extremely disruptive as a pass rusher. He is a powerful tackler with a mean streak. Impact player that always seems to be in on the big play.

[B]Weaknesses:[/B] Lacks ideal height. Has trouble stacking at the line of scrimmage versus taller, bigger offensive tackles. He has experience dropping into coverage but he's far more effective when turned loose up-the-field. He's a bit stiff in the hips and might not be fluid enough to make the move to linebacker in the NFL. Minor durability issues after missing time in 2005 with forearm injury.

[B]Overall:[/B] Woodley played in all 13 games (two starts) at defensive end during his true freshman season in 2003 and finished the year with 23 total tackles, four tackles for loss, and two sacks. He then played in 12 games (10 starts) at outside linebacker in 2004, registering 70 total tackles, 16 tackles for loss, four sacks, and three forced fumbles. In 2005, Woodley played in 11 games (eight starts) at "rush linebacker" but missed time in three games with a forearm injury. For the year, he recorded 48 total tackles, 12 tackles for loss, five sacks, one fumble recovery, and three forced fumbles. Woodley started all 13 games in 2006 making 36 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, recording 12 sacks, forcing four fumbles, and recovering four fumbles, including one he took 54 yards for a touchdown against Notre Dame (9/16). Woodley, who played defensive end in a 4-3 scheme and outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme at Michigan, is a classic fit as a rush-linebacker in the NFL. He lacks ideal height and will struggle taking on blocks from bigger offensive tackles in the NFL. However, Woodley bulked up and became much stronger versus the run in 2006. He also displays the speed, power and vicious mentality it takes to succeed as a versatile starter in the proper scheme at the next level. Woodley improved his draft stock with a productive senior season and should be off the board in the top-40 overall picks of the 2007 draft.
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He tackles plays well against the run and can goes after the QB with reckless abandon. What more do you want?

Monkeydad 03-27-2007 12:58 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
Don't do it! We FINALLY have a high draft pick again (we had to trade for Campbell) and we should hang onto it or at least trade down less than 5 spots to get another good pick.

Briggs doesn't sound like much of a team player...we don't need another Lavar personality who thinks he's bigger than the team.

Dirtbag59 03-27-2007 01:00 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=Buster;291792]Don't do it! We FINALLY have a high draft pick again (we had to trade for Campbell) and we should hang onto it or at least trade down less than 5 spots to get another good pick.

Briggs doesn't sound like much of a team player...we don't need another Lavar personality who thinks he's bigger than the team.[/quote]


Too late, apparently its already been done.

Beemnseven 03-27-2007 01:00 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
You watch: Not only will all the top DL prospects be long gone, but the second tier DL guys will be gone by #31 too.

True to form, we have F*%#ed our defensive line [B]AGAIN[/B].

Dirtbag59 03-27-2007 01:04 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=Beemnseven;291795]You watch: Not only will all the top DL prospects be long gone, but the second tier DL guys will be gone by #31 too.

True to form, we have F*%#ed our defensive line [B]AGAIN[/B].[/quote]

Lamar Woodly, Charles Johnson, and Anthony Spencer will all be available at #31.

ND_SKINS 03-27-2007 01:05 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
Hi,

I think we need to keep the pick and take LaRon Landry. With him and Sean Taylor are LB's are going to play better. With these two players you could put seven in the box and stop the run.

Beemnseven 03-27-2007 01:06 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;291801]Lamar Woodly, Charles Johnson, and Anthony Spencer will all be available at #31.[/QUOTE]

Really? Does your Crystal Ball give out lottery numbers too?

Schneed10 03-27-2007 01:08 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=ND_SKINS;291802]Hi,

I think we need to keep the pick and take LaRon Landry. With him and Sean Taylor are LB's are going to play better. With these two players you could put seven in the box and stop the run.[/quote]

:confused:

This is the first time I've ever heard of safeties making linebackers better. Can you explain how that works?

And seven in the box? We always use seven in the box. Hell, we can barely stop the run with 8 in the box, let alone 7.

SmootSmack 03-27-2007 01:09 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;291786]How excited are Bears fans about this deal right now? You lose a guy who plans on sitting out this season anyways and you move up 25 spots to the #6 pick, which you can then use to get an instant starter or you can trade to someone like Denver for even more picks.[/QUOTE]

If this was happening to the Redskins-young, all-pro linebacker threatens to hold out because the front office won't pay him-fans would be calling for heads to roll. People are throwing up a storm over Dockery, imagine what it would be like for someone of Briggs' caliber. But since it's not the Redskins, but the Bears there's no talk of "why don't the Bears just give Briggs the money he's asking for"

Dirtbag59 03-27-2007 01:13 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=Beemnseven;291805]Really? Does your Crystal Ball give out lottery numbers too?[/quote]

Lol, only on Tuesdays. Don't worry, my point is that we'll be fine, there are plenty of players that fall through the cracks on draft day. Look at DeMeco Ryans and Tood Heap. This draft is loaded with DE's if our FO can't find one then God have mercy on their souls.

5RINGS 03-27-2007 01:13 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
I don't know if you guys have ever used the Draft Value chart, but it is this chart that assigns points to each draft pick so GM's don't make another Mike Ditka mistake or Hershel Walker trade.

According to the Chart, this deal means you are giving away your 6th and the equivalent of a 16th pick for Briggs and the 31st pick.

A first rounder at 16 is usually a starter and pretty cheap relatively speaking in terms of the salary cap.

I don't think this deal makes sense for the Redskins.

Monkeydad 03-27-2007 01:16 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=Dirtbag359;291771]If its any constilation [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd9ZQaKEaWs"]YouTube - Lance Briggs drops Shaun Alexander on 4th and 1[/URL].[/quote]

Wow. They played right through that earthquake. They really earn their money.

I remember THIS play by Briggs best:
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[IMG]http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=25&ptp_photo_id=wpost:xt-mt-25-23231&size=320x320_mb[/IMG]


But hey...everyone went after Patrick...even Arch!

[IMG]http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070321/capt.559696bc76d849a68f938cbf09347a6c.redskins_bears_trade_football_ny163.jpg?x=338&y=345&sig=k8Mdf6tqOZxJsO.0aq5tNw--[/IMG]

RedskinPete 03-27-2007 01:17 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
If this is such a bad deal and only time will tell us. Why would Gibbs sign off on it? Still think another pick should be in the deal? Is Ian Scott the next Bear to come in if he is still out there?

Dirtbag59 03-27-2007 01:20 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=RedskinPete;291823]If this is such a bad deal and only time will tell us. Why would Gibbs sign off on it? Still think another pick should be in the deal? Is Ian Scott the next Bear to come in if he is still out there?[/quote]

If we have the cap room that would be a great pick up.

firstdown 03-27-2007 01:20 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=5RINGS;291816]I don't know if you guys have ever used the Draft Value chart, but it is this chart that assigns points to each draft pick so GM's don't make another Mike Ditka mistake or Hershel Walker trade.

According to the Chart, this deal means you are giving away your 6th and the equivalent of a 16th pick for Briggs and the 31st pick.

A first rounder at 16 is usually a starter and pretty cheap relatively speaking in terms of the salary cap.

I don't think this deal makes sense for the Redskins.[/quote]Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.

5RINGS 03-27-2007 01:23 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=firstdown;291829]Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.[/quote]


Sorry, I wasn't clear enough.

Your 6th pick is worth - according to the chart - a 16th and a 31st.

So Briggs, in effect, is assigned the value of a first round #16 pick.

Dirtbag59 03-27-2007 01:24 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=firstdown;291829]Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.[/quote]

I think what he means is that we are getting two first round picks for this trade. Heres the math

The Redskins pick is worth 1600 points
The Bears pick is worth 600 points
The 16th pick is worth 1000 points. This means that we're assuming that Briggs is worth the right to pick 16th overall in the draft.

RedskinPete 03-27-2007 01:25 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=firstdown;291829]Not sure how we are lossing two picks with this deal. We are just trading our #1 for theirs.[/QUOTE] Well if we find a strong D linemen at 31 and get Briggs we will all say wow who wrong we were. I hope so! Note: Danny and Gibbs get another pick in the deal!

FRPLG 03-27-2007 01:26 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=5RINGS;291816]I don't know if you guys have ever used the Draft Value chart, but it is this chart that assigns points to each draft pick so GM's don't make another Mike Ditka mistake or Hershel Walker trade.

According to the Chart, this deal means you are giving away your 6th and the equivalent of a 16th pick for Briggs and the 31st pick.

A first rounder at 16 is usually a starter and pretty cheap relatively speaking in terms of the salary cap.

I don't think this deal makes sense for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

Not following your logic on the picks.
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Dirtbag59 03-27-2007 01:26 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=RedskinPete;291835]Note: Danny and Gibbs get another pick in the deal![/quote]

Wait, did you just hear that or is that what your hoping for?

RedskinPete 03-27-2007 01:28 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;291838]Wait, did you just hear that or is that what your hoping for?[/QUOTE] No I was trying to send them a note please get another pick!

GTripp0012 03-27-2007 01:33 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;291786]How excited are Bears fans about this deal right now? You lose a guy who plans on sitting out this season anyways and you move up 25 spots to the #6 pick, which you can then use to get an instant starter or you can trade to someone like Denver for even more picks.[/quote]Me and a few of my Bear fan friends were discussing this last night.

Does this trade even make sense for the Bears?

On one hand, you are getting GREAT value in a move up from 31 to 6 for merely a linebacker. But lets assume that the top 5 picks are as follows: Russell, Thomas, Quinn, Johnson, and Adams.

Who are the Bears going to take at 6. There's Landry, but they have a glut of safeties already. Peterson is there, but they already have Benson. It's too early to take the 2nd best lineman or receiver. They have no need for DL help.

That leaves them either reaching for Patrick Willis to replace Briggs, or trading down yet again (or trading up into the top 4 I guess). If they were going to snatch up Willis, why not just keep the established vet (Briggs) around for at least one more year?

Unless Quinn, Thomas, or Johnson do fall, the Bears really don't have a good pick at 6. It may not be worth it for them to make this deal, despite all the value they are getting for Briggs.

SC Skins Fan 03-27-2007 01:35 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;291809]If this was happening to the Redskins-young, all-pro linebacker threatens to hold out because the front office won't pay him-fans would be calling for heads to roll. People are throwing up a storm over Dockery, imagine what it would be like for someone of Briggs' caliber. But since it's not the Redskins, but the Bears there's no talk of "why don't the Bears just give Briggs the money he's asking for"[/quote]

Didn't the poll on Dock overwhelming say that people would like to have him back but not at the insane price? You know what is ironic, I bet the Bears would trade Briggs for the 2nd we traded for Rocky McIntosh last year, especially if we threw in the Third we traded for Duckett or the 4th (in addition to the 3rd) we traded for Llyod. Snyder is a menace . . . someone lock that bastard in his room!! No more bar hopping and no more talking to Drew Rosenhaus, he has some kind of weird spell over him.

SC Skins Fan 03-27-2007 01:36 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=GTripp0012;291844]Me and a few of my Bear fan friends were discussing this last night.

Does this trade even make sense for the Bears?

On one hand, you are getting GREAT value in a move up from 31 to 6 for merely a linebacker. But lets assume that the top 5 picks are as follows: Russell, Thomas, Quinn, Johnson, and Adams.

Who are the Bears going to take at 6. There's Landry, but they have a glut of safeties already. Peterson is there, but they already have Benson. It's too early to take the 2nd best lineman or receiver. They have no need for DL help.

That leaves them either reaching for Patrick Willis to replace Briggs, or trading down yet again (or trading up into the top 4 I guess). If they were going to snatch up Willis, why not just keep the established vet (Briggs) around for at least one more year?

Unless Quinn, Thomas, or Johnson do fall, the Bears really don't have a good pick at 6. It may not be worth it for them to make this deal, despite all the value they are getting for Briggs.[/quote]

So you're saying this deal makes sense for neither of the parties involved? Wonderful.

GTripp0012 03-27-2007 01:40 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=SC Skins Fan;291849]So you're saying this deal makes sense for neither of the parties involved? Wonderful.[/quote]Yeah pretty much.

You've heard of deals that help both teams involved? Well now you've seen a deal that sucks for both sides!

There's no guarentee the Bears will accept. They may save us from our momentary lapse of reason.

#56fanatic 03-27-2007 01:40 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=Beemnseven;291721]The problem is we don't have any other picks until round 5 -- and there will not be any defensive linemen at that late stage to help where we need it most. This year's draft is deep at DL, but not [I]that[/I] deep. If we take this deal and get the 31st pick, we won't have any bargaining power to trade down -- so there definitely won't be anything else "in the works" if this happens.

Teams ran all over us at the defensive line first -- so it follows that we need to address the front four first. Briggs won't matter at that point.[/quote]


I should have been more clear. "Later in the draft" i meant the 31st pick for the DL. something in the works, Springs being dealt pick or player, Betts, Portis being dealt for picks. A lot of rumors fly about 1 of our RB's getting dealt on draft day. Or, it could just be one of those players you just can't pass up on, for basically nothing. WE ARE GETTING A 26 YEAR OLD STUD, FOR NOTHING! WE STILL GET TO KEEP A 1st ROUND PICK. I just can't see whats wrong with that. We are not losing picks, we are gaining a stud, and still have a pick to take a lineman. seems like people think we are giving up 2nd and 3rd round picks. we still have a pick in the 1st round. not the 6th, but still the 1st round.

RedskinPete 03-27-2007 01:42 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;291847]Didn't the poll on Dock overwhelming say that people would like to have him back but not at the insane price? You know what is ironic, I bet the Bears would trade Briggs for the 2nd we traded for Rocky McIntosh last year, especially if we threw in the Third we traded for Duckett or the 4th (in addition to the 3rd) we traded for Llyod. Snyder is a menace . . . someone lock that bastard in his room!! No more bar hopping and no more talking to Drew Rosenhaus, he has some kind of weird spell over him.[/QUOTE] I bet his wife would rather have him bar hopping and making trades with his football team then geetting young women in there!!! Danny you are killing us!!!

GTripp0012 03-27-2007 01:44 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=#56fanatic;291852]I should have been more clear. "Later in the draft" i meant the 31st pick for the DL. something in the works, Springs being dealt pick or player, Betts, Portis being dealt for picks. A lot of rumors fly about 1 of our RB's getting dealt on draft day. Or, it could just be one of those players you just can't pass up on, for basically nothing. WE ARE GETTING A 26 YEAR OLD STUD, FOR NOTHING! WE STILL GET TO KEEP A 1st ROUND PICK. I just can't see whats wrong with that. We are not losing picks, we are gaining a stud, and still have a pick to take a lineman. seems like people think we are giving up 2nd and 3rd round picks. we still have a pick in the 1st round. not the 6th, but still the 1st round.[/quote]1) its not a cost-minded move
2)we have solid LB depth already
3)if you consider the price "nothing", you're probably retarded

It's a stiff price to pay for any linebacker, much less a potentially overrated one.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-27-2007 01:44 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=GTripp0012;291844]Me and a few of my Bear fan friends were discussing this last night.

Does this trade even make sense for the Bears?[/QUOTE]

My guess is they'd take Okoye, particularly in light of Tank Johnson's problems.

#56fanatic 03-27-2007 01:46 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=skinsfan69;291765]rocky has not even had the chance to show it on the field. let the guy develop instead of giving up on him so damn early in his career. remember we gave up a 2nd rounder just to move up and pick the guy. at least give him the chance to show it on the field, give the guy a full training camp at least. jeez, what is it w/ our coaching staff that is so damn afraid to play young players when everyone else in the nfl does it???[/quote]


hey, I agree. You will alway hear me saying the same thing. I just thing Briggs is a complete stud LB. We get the guy for nothing, when franchise players cost you 2 first round picks. We get him and keep a 1st round pick. I just think its one of those deals you can not pass up, no matter what you need. Rocky is unproven, he could provide great depth with Marshall. We always say our team has no depth, this could give us some depth there. we only had 1 pick anyway. We were going to trade down and take a DL anyway, why not upgrade and still pick a DL late in the 1st round, which is what we were going to do anyway

724Skinsfan 03-27-2007 01:46 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
I hope the deal goes through solely for the fact that this thread is sure to challenge the dominant SHFT thread for post count.

RedskinPete 03-27-2007 01:49 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[QUOTE=GTripp0012;291858]1) its not a cost-minded move
2)we have solid LB depth already
3)if you consider the price "nothing", you're probably retarded

It's a stiff price to pay for any linebacker, much less a potentially overrated one.[/QUOTE] Your second point may or maynot be valid. Is Wahington ok or is his hip so bad we can't count on him? What is his health?

GTripp0012 03-27-2007 01:50 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;291859]My guess is they'd take Okoye, particularly in light of Tank Johnson's problems.[/quote]Okoye fits their system and defensive philosophy, but allocating the no. 6 pick to DT means that they lose their WLB and their first round pick, and don't address what, in my opinion, I would consider a top need.

I mean, philosophically, a defense with Okoye and Harris at the DTs would be so strong that it would blow my mind. But it would also be every bit as poor an allocation of their resources as taking Laron Landry would be for us (except DTs are more important than S obviously).

The Bears are not a team without need. If they were to let Briggs walk, they'd have to make a move for a replacement. They don't have a good 4th LB on their roster. The 3rd guy, Hillenmeyer, is passable.

This trade would leave them with Urlacher and no one at LB.

GTripp0012 03-27-2007 01:53 PM

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 
[quote=RedskinPete;291866]Your second point may or maynot be valid. Is Wahington ok or is his hip so bad we can't count on him? What is his health?[/quote]I don't think we have ample reason to assume anything is wrong with Washington outside of age and the fact that hes coming off a bad season.

Can he rebound from last year? There's always a chance he might not. But if every team tried to make a deal to replace any player who may or may not have a question mark, I think a few dominant teams would end up with all the draft picks.


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