Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

The brown's FO looks like a bunch of geniuses. They got their cake and ate it too. We should try to trade up to get a D-lineman in the 2nd

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

I swear if Berman makes another Landry in Washington joke I am gonna turn off the TV

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

the redskins dont play cover 2. landry will be play more to the line of scrimmage and taylor will play centerfield. one of his weaknesses is his hands hopefully he doesnt play like carlos rogers. our pressure is going to have to come the lb's and safeties so it might be the same defense from last year. i dont dislike the pick we took the best defense player on the board in opinion only time will tell.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

Anyone think we should trade away next years 2nd rounder and go and get Alan Branch.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=Rajmahal33;303831]The brown's FO looks like a bunch of geniuses. They got their cake and ate it too. We should try to trade up to get a D-lineman in the 2nd[/quote]

How so? Quinn was a steal for a team SELECTING that late, but they got totally corn-holed by the Cowboys for him.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

Jon Beason to the panthers

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

Cowturds just got their 1st rounder back by trading with Eagles.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

we need to trade next years 2nd rounder and get f'n branch

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=JankySpanky80;303844]Anyone think we should trade away next years 2nd rounder and go and get Alan Branch.[/quote]
Yes.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=redskins5044;303836]the redskins dont play cover 2. landry will be play more to the line of scrimmage and taylor will play centerfield. one of his weaknesses is his hands hopefully he doesnt play like carlos rogers. our pressure is going to have to come the lb's and safeties so it might be the same defense from last year. i dont dislike the pick we took the best defense player on the board in opinion only time will tell.[/quote]Did you see Landry's highlights (ESPN)?

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

Hey if you're the Raiders do you take Greg Olsen to help out as a safety valve for your new QB or do you protect him with an OL like Arron Sears?

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

From ESPN Insider

6. Washington Redskins
The pick: LaRon Landry, S, LSU
Scouts take: It's impossible to say whether or not this is the perfect move for Washington at this point because the Redskins have so few picks and no one knows exactly what transpired in terms of trade offers leading up to the pick. If they weren't offered quality value for the pick, then taking Landry is an excellent move. Though the Redskins have more pressing needs than safety, it is a need and there's nothing Landry can't do. He is a tough run defender who takes the shortest path to the ball and delivers big hits. He times hits well and punishes receivers that go over the middle. He can cover the deep half of the field and can match up with slot receivers.





One area of concern is his ability to play the ball when it's in the air, but he has adequate ball skills and he should benefit from lining up next to Sean Taylor. Taylor's excellent range and ability to play a center fielder-type role will help protect Landry. Finally, having such talented safeties gives the Redskins more freedom in terms of mixing as well as hiding coverages and helps the pass rush out by forcing quarterbacks to hold on to the ball longer.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;303863]From ESPN Insider

6. Washington Redskins
The pick: LaRon Landry, S, LSU
Scouts take: It's impossible to say whether or not this is the perfect move for Washington at this point because the Redskins have so few picks and no one knows exactly what transpired in terms of trade offers leading up to the pick. If they weren't offered quality value for the pick, then taking Landry is an excellent move. Though the Redskins have more pressing needs than safety, it is a need and there's nothing Landry can't do. He is a tough run defender who takes the shortest path to the ball and delivers big hits. He times hits well and punishes receivers that go over the middle. He can cover the deep half of the field and can match up with slot receivers.





One area of concern is his ability to play the ball when it's in the air, but he has adequate ball skills and he should benefit from lining up next to Sean Taylor. Taylor's excellent range and ability to play a center fielder-type role will help protect Landry. Finally, having such talented safeties gives the Redskins more freedom in terms of mixing as well as hiding coverages and helps the pass rush out by forcing quarterbacks to hold on to the ball longer.[/quote]Enough said. Anybody outside of Skinsdom will debate this pick only because their team wanted Landry. Inside, they really hate us.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

DAL fared way better than NE did tradewise that's for sure.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=EXoffender;303864]Enough said. Anybody outside of Skinsdom will debate this pick only because their team wanted Landry. Inside, they really hate us.[/quote]

One of my closest friends is a huge Falcons fan. First thing he said while he was on the phone with me today was "I hate you."

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=EXoffender;303865]DAL fared way better than NE did tradewise that's for sure.[/quote]

Next years draft class looks to be a good one. Dallas is trading up to get second round talent at a first round price. Of course they'll have a top 15 pick next year.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;303868]Next years draft class looks to be a good one. Dallas is trading up to get second round talent at a first round price. Of course they'll have a top 15 pick next year.[/quote]They'll probably need them too.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

call me a prophet but i think on feb 24 i called landry, but any hooot i think we have go after branch in the second round here. absolutely have too!!!!!! this donkey is the same effer most guys wanted at effing 6!!!!!!!!!! come on now i told you that was waerthless pick at 6, that lazy efff wasnt waerth the ol 6 pick but he sure the hell is at 33-39 if he doest go. come on skins answer all our needs!!!!!!!!!!! lets go baby.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;303868]Next years draft class looks to be a good one. Dallas is trading up to get second round talent at a first round price. Of course they'll have a top 15 pick next year.[/QUOTE]

1- Don't count out Cleveland for a turn around. They got Steinbach and Lewis, and now they have a very good tackle, and a franchise qb. They already made huge strides on D last year, and they have some viable weapons on offense.

2- What happened to Alan Branch? i don't even see him on Kiper's overall draft board. I thought he was supposed to be a top 15 pick, now it's looking like he's a 3rd round pick?

3- Cowboys suck. Nuff said.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

welp i am over with as fast as i posted

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=holcknowsbest;303880]call me a prophet but i think on feb 24 i called landry, but any hooot i think we have go after branch in the second round here. absolutely have too!!!!!! this donkey is the same effer most guys wanted at effing 6!!!!!!!!!! come on now i told you that was waerthless pick at 6, that lazy efff wasnt waerth the ol 6 pick but he sure the hell is at 33-39 if he doest go. come on skins answer all our needs!!!!!!!!!!! lets go baby.[/quote]
Too late. ARZ selected Branch, first pick in the second. I'm not sure why he slid this far. The injury (fractured shins) weren't cited or confirmed and it's hard that the experts judged him on lack of productivity and laziness when he singlehandedly anchored NCAAs best defense! I mean look at how he boosted productivity for his teammates Leon Hall 3 INTs 15 PBUs 45 tackles and Lamar Woodley 12 sacks 36 tackles 16.5 TFLs.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;303880]call me a prophet but i think on feb 24 i called landry, but any hooot i think we have go after branch in the second round here. absolutely have too!!!!!! this donkey is the same effer most guys wanted at effing 6!!!!!!!!!! come on now i told you that was waerthless pick at 6, that lazy efff wasnt waerth the ol 6 pick but he sure the hell is at 33-39 if he doest go. come on skins answer all our needs!!!!!!!!!!! lets go baby.[/QUOTE]

Congrats, you called a pick that doesn't help our needs. :rolleyes:

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;303880]call me a prophet but i think on feb 24 i called landry, but any hooot i think we have go after branch in the second round here. absolutely have too!!!!!! this donkey is the same effer most guys wanted at effing 6!!!!!!!!!! come on now i told you that was waerthless pick at 6, that lazy efff wasnt waerth the ol 6 pick but he sure the hell is at 33-39 if he doest go. come on skins answer all our needs!!!!!!!!!!! lets go baby.[/QUOTE]

And how exactly are we going to get more draft picks when we have a 5th rounder coming up?

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

I wouldn't mind trading someone for WR Jarrett. I think he's the real deal. But who would we trade?

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=jsarno;303884]Congrats, you called a pick that doesn't help our needs. :rolleyes:[/quote]
Damn sure doesn't hurt um. He was the BEST available. NICE MOVE!

Why would it NOT help our needs?

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=jsarno;303884]Congrats, you called a pick that doesn't help our needs. :rolleyes:[/quote]What? You wanted Alan Branch (1st pick, 2nd round) at number six overall? You heard Gibbs. No teams were calling to trade up that far. If DAL got what they did from CLE what do you think would've been compensation for 6th overall?

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;303887]Damn sure doesn't hurt um. He was the BEST available. NICE MOVE!

Why would it NOT help our needs?[/QUOTE]

We NEED a d line. He is another hard hitting safety. How is it we were all thrilled to get Adam Archuletta at first, then we were all thrilled to get rid of him when he didn't fit into our system? But now we went out and DRAFTED someone cut from a similar mold as AA???? That doesn't sound a little looney to you? We were better off drafting a Leon Hall type player and letting Springs play safety.
It kinda does hurt us considering YET A-FREAKIN-GAIN we will have NO pass rush. I don't know about you, that is pissing me off. How many years do we have to suffer with no pass rush before we learn. Williams can only disguise so many blitzes, and send the farm so many times. We saw how well that worked out last year.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

brian roberson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lets go mutha fudgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=jsarno;303885]And how exactly are we going to get more draft picks when we have a 5th rounder coming up?[/quote]
Trade away next year's picks.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=EXoffender;303889]What? You wanted Alan Branch (1st pick, 2nd round) at number six overall? You heard Gibbs. No teams were calling to trade up that far. If DAL got what they did from CLE what do you think would've been compensation for 6th overall?[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about?
Have you not seen my other posts? I wanted Okoye or a DE like Anderson at 6. I think Landry is a fine player, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't fit our needs, and doesn't fit our system since we have Taylor.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=EXoffender;303892]Trade away next year's picks.[/QUOTE]

It's time to stop messing with picks...we are always behind the 8 ball in terms of amount of draft picks.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=jsarno;303886]I wouldn't mind trading someone for WR Jarrett. I think he's the real deal. But who would we trade?[/quote]


well first of all you dont think we need a safety donkey? come on man thats totally rediculous, you are the same fan who like the redskins but knows nothing about what is really going on in football buddy. and yes you dummy we dont have anthing but a 6th pick (not a 5th pal). but if you look at almost all these traded they include shit from next year....which we have all seven right now, we dont need that many hahah shit i would trade all our picks the following year every year to get better picks in the year of the draft becasue the only time that will only haert you is the final year of the nfl's life....so jsarno please dont question my expertice in this field ya donkey cause you could never match witts with me the effing draft and personnel KING!!!!!!!!

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=redskins5044;303836]the redskins dont play cover 2. landry will be play more to the line of scrimmage and taylor will play centerfield. one of his weaknesses is his hands hopefully he doesnt play like carlos rogers. our pressure is going to have to come the lb's and safeties so it might be the same defense from last year. i dont dislike the pick we took the best defense player on the board in opinion only time will tell.[/quote]

Not to split hairs, but Greg Williams' defense is based on Cover 2 / Tampa 2 with some wrinkles thrown in. GW likes to bring pressure from the LBs and Corners, which leaves the Safties spliting the field in Cover 2. Cover 2 is not effective with a run-stopping, blitzing SS, look at how bad Arch and our pass coverage was last year.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/21/AR2006122101553.html"]Williams: Offenses Have Uncovered the Cover-2 - washingtonpost.com[/URL]

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;303896]well first of all you dont think we need a safety donkey? come on man thats totally rediculous, you are the same fan who like the redskins but knows nothing about what is really going on in football buddy. [/quote]

Trust me, I know more than you...if you think we need another run stopping safety, you have no idea what we really need.

[quote]and yes you dummy we dont have anthing but a 6th pick (not a 5th pal).[/quote]

What are you talking about? 5th ROUNDER is our next pick. Pay attention before you start calling someone else a dummy.

[quote]shit i would trade all our picks the following year every year to get better picks in the year of the draft becasue the only time that will only haert you is the final year of the nfl's life[/quote]

OK, it has become obvious that after this comment, I am arguing with the Village Idiot. And we all know the saying about arguing with the village idiot.

I suggest you calm down on the name calling in the future. There is no need for it. We should all be civil here.

Have a good conversation.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=jsarno;303893]What are you talking about?
Have you not seen my other posts? I wanted Okoye or a DE like Anderson at 6. I think Landry is a fine player, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't fit our needs, and doesn't fit our system since we have Taylor.[/quote]No offense JSARNO. IMO and and also in the eye of most experts Okoye and Anderson need some coaching up and bulking up. If Landry, Okoye and Anderson was available when ATL and HOU selected they would've picked Landry too.

Rest assured Snyder will bolster the DL and LB corps before long. Any doubters?

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

Guys we're fellow fans here. Holk' that's not neccessary. JSARNO, two wrongs don't make a right.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

landy is not a effing run stopping safety!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and nether is taylor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we dont need that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we need a run stopping front 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these safeties will make more plays in coverage than they ever would in pass coverage man......are you kidding me come on man maybe you dont know what we need hence the redskins picked the guy i suggested not your pick you naysayer so give me props donkey and i will commend you in calling out the 6th round pick thing so just admit i am better at knowing talent!!!!

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[quote=jsarno;303890]We NEED a d line. He is another hard hitting safety. How is it we were all thrilled to get Adam Archuletta at first, then we were all thrilled to get rid of him when he didn't fit into our system? But now we went out and DRAFTED someone cut from a similar mold as AA???? That doesn't sound a little looney to you? We were better off drafting a Leon Hall type player and letting Springs play safety.
It kinda does hurt us considering YET A-FREAKIN-GAIN we will have NO pass rush. I don't know about you, that is pissing me off. How many years do we have to suffer with no pass rush before we learn. Williams can only disguise so many blitzes, and send the farm so many times. We saw how well that worked out last year.[/quote]

Landry is known as a better coverage guy and he should create the mismatches Williams envisioned with Archuletta.

Don't rule out Fletcher making our defense more stout against the run and commanding it the way Pierce did. I think you are going to see a big time improvement immediately.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

Let's not compare Landry to Archuleta. Landry is the real deal. Not only does he rock ballcarriers silly, he's has the football smarts to go with it. And Sean Taylor doesn't get beat often. As a matter of fact, he seemingly had a better season alongside Ryan Clark and Vernon Fox (guys who he trusted to know their own assignment). The greatest thing is that now we have some stability and not a roundabout Stoutmire, Prioleau gig.

Re: The Official 2007 Draft Discussion Thread
 

[QUOTE=EXoffender;303901]No offense JSARNO. IMO and and also in the eye of most experts Okoye and Anderson need some coaching up and bulking up. If Landry, Okoye and Anderson was available when ATL and HOU selected they would've picked Landry too.[/quote]

I agree they do. Anderson would still be a starter for us, and I beleive Okoye would be too. I'm not saying Landry is a poor player...I just see AA all over again. Picking a run stopping safety when we needed a pass defending safety is not the wisest of things to do IMO. There is obviously nothing I can do about the fact that we picked Landry, except HOPE that we can turn him into what we need.

[quote]Rest assured Snyder will bolster the DL and LB corps before long. Any doubters?[/QUOTE]

I do doubt that. He already brought in Fletcher, our cap numbers are very stingy right now, and who all is left in FA anyway? Our LB's are set. Maybe there will be a cap casualty later and we'll pick up a DE, but I am not holding my breathe, and I am not sure we'll have the space under the cap.