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[quote=jsarno;329032]Honestly, there are a million ways to use alternative fuels...I say corn cause we're the #1 producer of it, and we'd have the world by the balls.
We gotta get away from the black crack.[/quote]

Quite true, and we need a gross National Product other than Entertainment.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;329033]Speaking of which I have a paper to write before Friday and 2 programs to write before Saturday. Does anybody have pseudo code for Lucid's Algorithm for the lowest common denominator?[/QUOTE]

I do! It's in the my file called ya...whatever! :D
Actually, I don't have anything I did from college. My wife threw it all away.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;329035]Quite true, and we need a gross National Product other than Entertainment.[/QUOTE]


Yup, and we have nothing right now. I just don't understand why we don't use corn. It makes no sense. And if I were the government, I'd grow, produce, manufacture weed. We would create jobs, reduce crime, and severely reduce taxes with it's revenue.

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[quote=jsarno;329040]Yup, and we have nothing right now. I just don't understand why we don't use corn. It makes no sense. And if I were the government, I'd grow, produce, manufacture weed. We would create jobs, reduce crime, and severely reduce taxes with it's revenue.[/quote]

You have a personal mission to get hippie lettuce lagalized. If only we were like Germany and didn't penalize use or possession+ as long as you didnt have enough to be considered trafficing.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;329041]You have a personal mission to get hippie lettuce lagalized. If only we were like Germany and didn't penalize use or possession+ as long as you didnt have enough to be considered trafficing.[/QUOTE]

Why not? It would make this country millions!!!

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[quote=jsarno;329045]Why not? It would make this country millions!!![/quote]

It would be taxed the hell out of too. I do not see it being legalized in my lifetime.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;329047]It would be taxed the hell out of too. I do not see it being legalized in my lifetime.[/QUOTE]

I do. Many states have already tried it...including here when Johnson was governor, once those old fogies are out, and we're in our 50's, I can see it happening.

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[quote=FRPLG;328969]I don't think he was making a statement about the intelligence of the voters. I think he was trying to show how your argument seems to basically prove that only Democrats were dumb enough screw the ballot up. I am not saying that but your argument could lead someone to think that. I know the ballot was screwy and probably moreso towards Gore but I seriously think you read way too much into his post. He was simply pointing out how the mechanics of your argument make the argument seem indicting of democratic intelligence.[/quote]

I know he wasn't making a statement about the intelligence of the voters. I said he unintentionally did. I do agree with you that my argument could lead someone to think dems were dumb, but only only if that person didn't know already that the ballots were screwed up, which he apparently didn't. My bad.

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[quote=jsarno;329048]I do. Many states have already tried it...including here when Johnson was governor, once those old fogies are out, and we're in our 50's, I can see it happening.[/quote]


We shall see, but I am not holding my breath.

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[quote=jsarno;329025]I will never say anything negative to someone that is trying to get there. For me it was the toughest thing I have ever had to personally do. (not including having to go through the death of my daughter and almost death of my wife...I'm talking accomplishments.)
I had a minor league contract as a pitcher, and I blew my shoulder out and lost it all...I have been an all american soccer player (second team)...I played in the NAIA div. 1 all star teams for softball and football. I scored 6 goals and 3 assists playing hockey on a broken ankle...still nothing beat that feeling I had getting the masters degree. It was just very hard for me, so I see it as the greatest accomplishment for me, and I don't begrudge anyone that trys or even doesn't try...it's hard and I wish you the best of luck. If you need a cheerleader to get there, then I will be there for you. I know it's tough![/quote]

Congrats on all accomplishments. I'm very sorry about your daughter and admire you for your skills and attitude.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;329035]Quite true, and we need a gross National Product other than Entertainment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jsarno;329040]Yup, and we have nothing right now. I just don't understand why we don't use corn. It makes no sense. And if I were the government, I'd grow, produce, manufacture weed. We would create jobs, reduce crime, and severely reduce taxes with it's revenue.[/QUOTE]

We do have airplanes and defense equipment. Although I am not certain, a very large percentage of the world's aircraft is probably produced here. The same is probably true for defense equipment. Both industries are very lucrative as well.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;329056]We do have airplanes and defense equipment. Although I am not certain, a very large percentage of the world's aircraft is probably produced here. The same is probably true for defense equipment. Both industries are very lucrative as well.[/quote]


I didn't even think about that, that is very true. However, we don't sell our good stuff to everybody else.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;329051]We shall see, but I am not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]


I am...cough cough...LOL.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;329056]We do have airplanes and defense equipment. Although I am not certain, a very large percentage of the world's aircraft is probably produced here. The same is probably true for defense equipment. Both industries are very lucrative as well.[/QUOTE]

Very true...we just need to rely on something else for our fuel. Obviously, even jacking the price to unreasonable amounts doesn't even slow us down on consumption...we need another option.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;329055]Congrats on all accomplishments. I'm very sorry about your daughter and admire you for your skills and attitude.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

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[quote=saden1;328956]I would totally vote for him but he's not going to make it out of the Republican primaries and he said if he doesn't he wouldn't run as an independent. Basically, I'm not going to be able to vote for him.

Obama on the other hand has a realistic chance of winning the primary. We'll just have to see if he can beat Hilary.

As for Gore, his time is up. I don't get why the fuck people want him to run. That ship has sailed. Time to move on.[/quote]

I'm glad to see you come over to the Obama camp. He's definitely within striking distance of Hillary.

By the way, don't be suprised to see Obama and Edwards on the same ticket.

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[quote=jsarno;329003]That's because Obama is about as black as Brunell. What percentage african american is he anyway?
Sad thing is he won't get the proper recognition cause you know that KKK type people that live in the deep south could care less what he has to say[/quote]

I know you're not trying to be racist here, but what does that mean, he's as black as Brunell? Senator Obama, and you may know this already, but his father is from Kenya and his mother is from Kansas; Both are deceased. But in our society, particularly America, if you're just a tacit black, you're considered all black. No one's really looking at him as a half white candidate or a mixed candidate. As far as America is concerned, he's just as black as, let's say, Bernie Mack!!

Also, when you look at his work prior to joining the state and U.S. Senate, respectively, for three years he earned a paltry salary as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago. Now I'm not sure if you've ever been to the south side of Chi-town, but it's the hood all day long! My point is, he's not just another black candidate with a nice pretty resume from Harvard, he actually has some dirt under his fingernails working with the black community and he has strong ties to the black church as well. I only highlight these points because, in my mind, that settles the issue of his "blackness", if you will. The media has tried to spin that question a few times - Is he black enough or is white America ready for a black President?

I partially disagree with the assumption that folks in the deep south could care less about what he's saying. I don't think the vast majority of voters in the south are looking at things in that context. Like Saden, I've been working with the campaign here in D.C. (volunteering) and the response, at least in this region, has been pretty positive. It's also worth noting that parts of the state of Illinois are just as segragated and backwards as parts of the south. Yet he proved to be effective enough to overcome racial barriers there to become Senator.

I feel Americans are ready to unite the country at all costs, and they're looking for leadership right now; Whether it's a Latino, a female, a black, or caucasion. I'll go a step further, they're not overly concerned with party affiliation as they have been in the past. I think when you look at the overwhelming response people have had to both Senator Obama and Hillary, it's a good indication of how people are willing to break from the status quo and move the country foward. Americans are hungry for new leadership.

I'm not trying to "jump on you" or be racially insensitive because that's not my stick, but I think often times we allow the media to feed us images of a candidate and we're really in the dark about who they really are and what they're really about. Either of his books are good reads and pretty insightful about him as an individual and a candidate.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;329100]I feel Americans are ready to unite the country at all costs, and they're looking for leadership right now; Whether it's a Latino, a female, a black, or caucasion. I'll go a step further, they're not overly concerned with party affiliation as they have been in the past. I think when you look at the overwhelming response people have had to both Senator Obama and Hillary, it's a good indication of how people are willing to break from the status quo and move the country foward. Americans are hungry for new leadership.[/QUOTE]

Apparently we're not ready for a Mormon though. Really though, for all our forward thinking and championing of democracy here it's remarkable how backwards we are when it comes to our pool of leadership candidates, compared to the rest of the world.

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[quote=SmootSmack;329110]Apparently we're not ready for a Mormon though. Really though, for all our forward thinking and championing of democracy here it's remarkable how backwards we are when it comes to our pool of leadership candidates, compared to the rest of the world.[/quote]


You're right on that one. Do you think we're more divided along racial or religous lines?

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[QUOTE=12thMan;329119]You're right on that one. Do you think we're more divided along racial or religous lines?[/QUOTE]

That's a really good question. I think when it comes to politics, probably religious lines. I'd have to think about that one

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[quote=SmootSmack;329120]That's a really good question. I think when it comes to politics, probably religious lines. I'd have to think about that one[/quote]

The reason I ask is because your comment on Romney is interesting, yet true.

I think, initially anyway, that we're more ready for a black or female president than a Mormon. Interesting to say the least.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;329123]The reason I ask is because your comment on Romney is interesting, yet true.

I think, initially anyway, that we're more ready for a black or female president than a Mormon. Interesting to say the least.[/QUOTE]

You hear that story about the guy who recently refused to shake Romney's hand "because he's a Mormon" Had that been Obama and "I refuse to shake hands with a Black man" that story would be everywhere. Maybe it's because Mormons don't have as strong a voice nationally, but still I find it interesting that there was no real outcry over that.

When are the next debates by the way?

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We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.

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[quote=SmootSmack;329128]You hear that story about the guy who recently refused to shake Romney's hand "because he's a Mormon" Had that been Obama and "I refuse to shake hands with a Black man" that story would be everywhere. Maybe it's because Mormons don't have as strong a voice nationally, but still I find it interesting that there was no real outcry over that.

When are the next debates by the way?[/quote]

Yeah, that would have spread like wild fire had it been Obama.

My thoughts on the question of Mormonism is that, perhaps, when we look at the Constitution and, more importantly, the patriarchs, they were either Christian or espoused some type of religious beliefs. You know, we have some precendent there, some history with "Christianity". As progressive and as forward thinking we have become over the centuries, Mormonism, while accepted, probably isn't perceived as the faith that invested in the forging and the forming of the Union. Besides Brigham Young, I can't think of any modern day Mormon that has made a significant impact on the country.

People say well, I'm not religious so I don't care one way or another. Again, I don't think it's entirely a matter of him being religious or holdng up God, though I think that's a big part of it, I think it's a matter of people not knowing much about this "faith of yours." Yes, they teach a lot of the same values and beliefs and even scriptures, but it's almost perceieved as it's own little sect or society of people and not a part of the mainstream.

I welcome anyone to help us us on this one. But I think in general people dont' separate individuals from their faith. And if people are a tad bit skeptical about Mormonism, which they are, then they're probably going to be hesitant on Romney too.

I think the next debate for the Repubs is June 30th in Iowa. I think the candidates are growing weary of dabating with such a wide field of candidates.

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I went to a Mormon church as an adolescent for a few years with my best friend at the time, who was a Mormon.

I have been to churches of several different Christian faiths, and that church was not much different than any other. In fact, it was a little more focused and I enjoyed it more than any other church I had previously been to.

Mormons believe that Christ was the savior, and the Bible is a large part of their teachings. They just have one additional book: The Book of Mormon. During my time attending that church, I didn't ever hear or see anything that was uniquely "Mormon" -- except that communion was with water, instead of wine. Maybe I would have noticed something else, if I had paid closer attention (remember, I was an adolescent).

That said, there is definitely an attitude of disdain surrounding the Mormon faith. I know because I have encountered it on several occasions. Many people focus on polygamy and their strict dietary habits. However, none of the hundreds of Mormons who attended my church had more than one wife, and their diets were average for the most part -- albeit a little healthier. That's not to say there aren't Orthodox Mormons, and fanatics, but every faith has them. I believe the attitude is mostly just due to ignorance.

I think it'll be difficult for a Mormon candidate to get elected. It's not that easy to overcome ignorance.

*I'm not an expert on the Mormon faith, so I could be a little off on some details*

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[QUOTE=saden1;329146]We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.[/QUOTE]

I think what really hurts Romney (beyond his religion) is that he's essentially the same as W. A businessman turned governor. I think the country as a whole wants to get away from that "businessman mentality" in the White House. Then again, I'm not sure most of America even makes that comparison between the two now that I think about it

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[QUOTE=12thMan;329100]I'm not trying to "jump on you" or be racially insensitive because that's not my stick, but I think often times we allow the media to feed us images of a candidate and we're really in the dark about who they really are and what they're really about. Either of his books are good reads and pretty insightful about him as an individual and a candidate.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm not the type to allow the media to influence me at all. Hell, I even said in an earlier post here that I would vote for Obama, not because he's black or white or purple or green, but because of his views. I generally lean to the right even though I am an Independant, so for me to say that obviously means there is no racial implications. For as cliche as this sounds I don't see color, never have never will. My mother raised me around all sorts of different races so I just see people. However, after I went to college in Arkansas, I realized that the world is very racist. Sure it sucks, but it's reality. I know for as much as I would like to see people not make racist decisions, I know they still will. This means he will be on an uphill battle. If you really feel that Illinios is just as racist as say, Alabama, in regards to african americans, then really this little debate won't go any farther cause it's far from true. Just like the bible belt has issues with women in power...hell they think it's in the bible to not have women in power, so if they vote for a woman, they are "going against God" in their minds. I really feel that whoever the republicans throw up won't need to overcome these issues.
For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.

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[QUOTE=saden1;329146]We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.[/QUOTE]


I would tend to agree with you, but Kerry got the Mass. votes during his run and he is hated in that area. I should know, I lived there. For some reason, people feel an obligation to vote for the "home team" up there. It was really surprising to hear it too. I know several people that will vote straight party lines, no matter what, and I know several that will just pick the home town guy. It's sad but true. I am expecting Romney to get A LOT of Mass. votes.

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Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;329195]Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.[/QUOTE]


Well said.
Although maybe you should change your views. LOL :D JK

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Boy, this is a tough crowd.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;329195]Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.[/quote]

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. The forties and fifties are over.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;329195]Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.[/quote]

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite, as well as much more like Kennedy or Johnson. All four were/are lying psychopaths and incompetent to boot.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. I have an impressive number of real life injuries. The forties and fifties are over.

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.

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Crazyhorse,

Sorry to be rude and I know I sounded like a jerk, I was just reacting to what I thought were rude statements. I was being hypocritical in that sense.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;329281]

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.[/QUOTE]

What college did you go to? (and teach at?)

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[quote=12thMan;329123]The reason I ask is because your comment on Romney is interesting, yet true.

I think, initially anyway, that we're more ready for a black or female president than a Mormon. Interesting to say the least.[/quote]

Forget religion... Romney is charismatic. I see us electing for charisma before thinking about his religion or politics.

Just the nature of the beast.

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[quote=jsarno;329189]For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.[/quot

Jsarno, this may not be the best forum to have a racial debate, but I do think because we skirt around the issue of race so often and we're so leary of offending folks that we never bring it up and we never truly take any meaningful steps forward. Typically, the issue never comes up unless there's an O.J. Simpson case or a Rodney King type incident, or more recently Imus. But by then, usually feelings and emotions are so inflamed and raw it's too late to discuss anything in a civil manner, it's more venting, accusing, and resentment at that point.

We need to talk about race, and let it get emotional so long as people understand on the front let's [I][B]engage[/B] [/I]not [I][B]enrage[/B][/I]. In all honesty, it's nearly impossible to have a full, I mean a truly full discussion about politics and even religion without the subject of race being included.

I'll get off this soapbox for now, but just to reiterate I'm not suggesting that we open this thread or any other thread to the discussion of race. I think it's one of those things that should be discussed and talked about in person or in a group forum. I'm not too sure that the internet is entirely condusive to that.

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[quote=12thMan;329309][quote=jsarno;329189]For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.[/quote]

Jsarno, this may not be the best forum to have a racial debate, but I do think because we skirt around the issue of race so often and we're so leary of offending folks that we never bring it up and we never truly take any meaningful steps forward. Typically, the issue never comes up unless there's an O.J. Simpson case or a Rodney King type incident, or more recently Imus. But by then, usually feelings and emotions are so inflamed and raw it's too late to discuss anything in a civil manner, it's more venting, accusing, and resentment at that point.

We need to talk about race, and let it get emotional so long as people understand on the front let's [I][B]engage[/B] [/I]not [I][B]enrage[/B][/I]. In all honesty, it's nearly impossible to have a full, I mean a truly full discussion about politics and even religion without the subject of race being included.

I'll get off this soapbox for now, but just to reiterate I'm not suggesting that we open this thread or any other thread to the discussion of race. I think it's one of those things that should be discussed and talked about in person or in a group forum. I'm not too sure that the internet is entirely condusive to that.[/quote]

Great post. I thought about posting a thread not to long ago about the "N" word, but saw how other threads were going at the time and decided not too. I'm sure it's been discussed in detail during the Imus incident, but I felt it's a social issue that is helped through dialogue.

What I love about warpath is that we've got a pretty open minded core group that usually tends to guide the conversation in a productive manner. No one tolerates bigotry, and that's a damn rare thing to find.

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[quote=RobH4413;329297]Forget religion... Romney is charismatic. I see us electing for charisma before thinking about his religion or politics.

Just the nature of the beast.[/quote]


Romney is charismatic? I suppose it depends on how you see him. I see him as disingenuous and he kinda reminds me of John Kerry. I pay very close attention to a candidates body language and facial expressions, and I really don't like that of Romney and Hilary.

Checkout [URL="http://www.bulldogreporter.com/dailydog/issues/1_1/dailydog_barks_bites/7734-1.html"]this great article[/URL] on leading presidential candidates and what their body language tells us.

Re: The legacy of 'W'?
 

[quote=RobH4413;329318]Great post. I thought about posting a thread not to long ago about the "N" word, but saw how other threads were going at the time and decided not too. I'm sure it's been discussed in detail during the Imus incident, but I felt it's a social issue that is helped through dialogue.

What I love about warpath is that we've got a pretty open minded core group that usually tends to guide the conversation in a productive manner. No one tolerates bigotry, and that's a damn rare thing to find.[/quote]

You know..- and I don't want to open this can of worms - the 'N' word is far more complicated than the actual word itself, and it's not as black and white as people try to handle it, approach it or discuss it. I'm not the 'N' word expert, by any means, but I've been around the block a few times. Sometimes it's about context, sometimes it's about ignorance, and sometimes it's actually is about race and only race. In fact most of the time it is, but it's something that needs to be discussed, especially if you have children.