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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376859]Sure. Expect to see the exact same thread next week after an a$$whipping at Dallas.[/QUOTE]

I don't expect us to win next week, I know ill be over matched. The injuries sustained today won't help either.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;376833]Lets see, a Jumbo package is a play you run from the goal line to punch it into the endzone, because your inches away. Jumbo is not a formation you run from the 8 yard line because your bunching the entire offense into one area and even if you get a little bit of a push Portis will more than likely fall over one of his own men, by god, thats what exactly happened. But then again I only talk in riddle because I have no clue what im talking about.[/quote]

Man that jumbo bullshit needs to be throw out of the damn playbook. Period. That's the 80's mentality that Gibbs and Bugel have. We were just fine spreading the field out and running the offense. The offense was doing just fine. Then we get down close and bring in all the heavy guys and that shit DOES NOT WORK!!! Didn't the damn coaches learn anything from the Giants game???? You can still run the regular offense with regular personel down on the goaline. I watch Indy do it all the time. Indy never ever brings in the heavy slow guys yet they always seem to run it well on the goaline with Harrison and Wayne still in the game. Plus you still have the best guys on the field. Sorry but Lorenzo Alexander is no threat to catch a pass. It's just one less guy the defense has to defend. That 's on Gibbs and he needs to adjust.

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[quote=redduke44;376511]He doesnt have that killer in his eyes.Keep greg williams,bring in bill cower now ,we are are not going anywhere and thats the fact.Joe gibbs is too soft we should have put them away on that fourthdown call,bump a fieldgoal(and thats putting it nicley).I love joe gibbs like a father but this has went too far for too long.Lets keep it real redskins fans,this game has passed him bye and he knows it and we all know it!Its hard but its fair![/quote]
How the hell do you plan to get Gibbs out and Cowher in. Make Gibbs president of the Skins, that's easy, but getting Cowher out of retirement wont be easy. He has everything he wants. He's retired at 48 or whatever age he is, he has a Super Bowl ring, he is well respected as a coach, what more do you need?

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[quote=skinsfan69;376893]Man that jumbo bullshit needs to be throw out of the damn playbook. Period. That's the 80's mentality that Gibbs and Bugel have. We were just fine spreading the field out and running the offense. The offense was doing just fine. Then we get down close and bring in all the heavy guys and that shit DOES NOT WORK!!! Didn't the damn coaches learn anything from the Giants game???? You can still run the regular offense with regular personel down on the goaline. I watch Indy do it all the time. Indy never ever brings in the heavy slow guys yet they always seem to run it well on the goaline with Harrison and Wayne still in the game. Plus you still have the best guys on the field. Sorry but Lorenzo Alexander is no threat to catch a pass. It's just one less guy the defense has to defend. That 's on Gibbs and he needs to adjust.[/quote]

I disagree with that. There are times when it is good to show the other team that you will impose your will on them. The only problem is that there are also times when you need to run a naked bootleg or play action to Cooley off of it. Too bad our leader can't figure that out.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376859]Sure. Expect to see the exact same thread next week after an a$$whipping at Dallas.[/QUOTE]

Of course you had us starting the season 0-3 and losing to the Lions as well so...

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Russ Grimm for head coach without a meddling Snyder.

Too bad that is a fantasy....

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[quote=skinsfan69;376893]Man that jumbo bullshit needs to be throw out of the damn playbook. Period. That's the 80's mentality that Gibbs and Bugel have. We were just fine spreading the field out and running the offense. The offense was doing just fine. Then we get down close and bring in all the heavy guys and that shit DOES NOT WORK!!! Didn't the damn coaches learn anything from the Giants game???? You can still run the regular offense with regular personel down on the goaline. I watch Indy do it all the time. Indy never ever brings in the heavy slow guys yet they always seem to run it well on the goaline with Harrison and Wayne still in the game. Plus you still have the best guys on the field. Sorry but Lorenzo Alexander is no threat to catch a pass. It's just one less guy the defense has to defend. That 's on Gibbs and he needs to adjust.[/quote]I agree we should go out in this next offseason, and get a big bodied TE who [B]we are comfortable with playing on both passing and rushing downs[/B]. In the short run, we will be fine with Alexander. Him being in is really selling our PA fakes and getting us open receivers running everywhere.

I don't understand your fascination with the spread. Just cause the best QBs ever make it effective doesn't mean everyone and their grandmother should copy it.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;376831]Well guess what, Mr. Hindsight. Throwing away three games that you dominated your opponent leaves you in no man's land.

Detroit is probably a playoff team this year. We are head and shoulders above them. Anyone with a pulse could tell you that.[/quote]

We were head and shoulders above them on that day. Overall we are probably very close when both teams are 100% healthy.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;376904]We were head and shoulders above them on that day. Overall we are probably very close when both teams are 100% healthy.[/QUOTE]

We tend to play down to the level of our opposition (much like Italy in soccer). Rarely do we blow away a bad team. I'd say we are much better than Detroit.

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[quote=GTripp0012;376903]I agree we should go out in this next offseason, and get a big bodied TE who [B]we are comfortable with playing on both passing and rushing downs[/B]. In the short run, we will be fine with Alexander. Him being in is really selling our PA fakes and getting us open receivers running everywhere.

I don't understand your fascination with the spread. Just cause the best QBs ever make it effective doesn't mean everyone and their grandmother should copy it.[/quote]

IMO you stick with what's working. So far this year when we bring in the heavy guys around the goaline it DOES NOT WORK. This game and the Giants game. Enough is enough. Just keep the regualr guys in since we are not blowing guys off the ball on the goaline.

I think you saw today how much better the offense is when we get our guys spread out a little bit and running hurry up. Nothing wrong opening things up.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;376721]hahaha here come the "joee must go" threads.

next week "joe needs an extension" threads.

im sooooo sick of this shit[/QUOTE]

This is exactly why this thread is, in the words of Schneed10, retarded. How stupid would it have been if after the Lions game I posted a thread that said "Give Joe a 5 Year Extension"? Just as stupid and knee-jerk as this one is.

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Personally I'm tired of all the confusion on the sidelines. That's on Gibbs. I mean he called a TO just to kick a FG. WTF was that all about? It's just the same old shit.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;376914]This is exactly why this thread is, in the words of Schneed10, retarded. How stupid would it have been if after the Lions game I posted a thread that said "Give Joe a 5 Year Extension"? Just as stupid and knee-jerk as this one is.[/QUOTE]

Notice how this "retarded" thread has a 150 more posts than the other "smart" threads that came up after this game. Despite a third of the posts being personal attacks, much more interesting perspectives here than "$hit the refs fucked us" and "McCardell catch that wasn't ruled a catch."

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376919]Notice how this "retarded" thread has a 150 more posts than the other "smart" threads that came up after this game. Despite a third of the posts being personal attacks, much more interesting perspectives here than "$hit the refs fucked us" and "McCardell catch that wasn't ruled a catch."[/QUOTE]

So, you're saying retardation is much more interesting than being smart?

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This is bitch and moan, vent your frustrations by pointless (or brilliant! ;) ) internet arguing. Kind of group therapy, if you ask me.

So, to rant: OUR D GAVE UP 20 4TH QUARTER POINTS!!!!!!!! AT HOME!!!!!!!!! TO THE FRIGGIN IGGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!

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I can't believe people are still posting in this thread. It doesn't matter who drinking kool-aid or hater-aid, anyone with a brain knows that Gibbs isn't going anywhere. Do you know how many people would personally try to strangle Danny S. if he tried to get rid of Gibbs? And what kinda idea would people get if Gibbs just stepped down when the going got tough? People would think he's some old bag, who used to be good, and who's now all washed up. (Even though people think that now).

Gibbs isn't going anywhere. He's not retiring, he's not going to get fired. I don't see him leaving before the end of his contract right now. So, it's time to just buckle up and try to enjoy (or bear with) the ride.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376919]Notice how this "retarded" thread has a 150 more posts than the other "smart" threads that came up after this game. Despite a third of the posts being personal attacks, much more interesting perspectives here than "$hit the refs fucked us" and "McCardell catch that wasn't ruled a catch."[/QUOTE]

Interesting perspectives? Sure, whatever floats your boat

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You're missing the point, Dynamite--this is rant for rant's sake!

Come on! Rant! Oh, maybe you WERE ranting. My bad! ;)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;376929]I can't believe people are still posting in this thread. It doesn't matter who drinking kool-aid or hater-aid, anyone with a brain knows that Gibbs isn't going anywhere. Do you know how many people would personally try to strangle Danny S. if he tried to get rid of Gibbs? And what kinda idea would people get if Gibbs just stepped down when the going got tough? People would think he's some old bag, who used to be good, and who's now all washed up. (Even though people think that now).

Gibbs isn't going anywhere. He's not retiring, he's not going to get fired. I don't see him leaving before the end of his contract right now. So, it's time to just buckle up and try to enjoy (or bear with) the ride.[/quote]

Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;376940]Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.[/QUOTE]

He made the playoffs twice. One 6-10 record in 2004. Also left the team in great shape, much like he did the New England Patriots.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;376940]Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.[/QUOTE]

Parcells made it twice in four years. And never won a playoff game while in Dallas. Gibbs has made it once in 3 years, won a playoff game. And this year, contrary to popular belief, isn't over yet.

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[quote=SmootSmack;376945]Parcells made it twice in four years. And never won a playoff game while in Dallas. Gibbs has made it once in 3 years, won a playoff game. And this year, contrary to popular belief, isn't over yet.[/quote]

I understand Parcells never made it in 4 years. Kinda why I was bringing it up. And notice I said "[U]if[/U] we continue to play like this," and "[U]if[/U] we flounder and go 8-8." Never used the word "when." If we miss the playoffs this year I could see Gibbs stepping down. I have plenty of hope for this year, and I think we're capable of ripping off a few big wins down the stretch. I also see very little reason to be optimistic, and there are plenty of things to criticize.

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I say gibbs and williams cuz we arent playing well on both sides of the ball, we are too inconsistent, too much talent to be playing like this.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;376955]I understand Parcells never made it in 4 years. Kinda why I was bringing it up. And notice I said "[U]if[/U] we continue to play like this," and "[U]if[/U] we flounder and go 8-8." Never used the word "when." If we miss the playoffs this year I could see Gibbs stepping down. I have plenty of hope for this year, and I think we're capable of ripping off a few big wins down the stretch. I also see very little reason to be optimistic, and there are plenty of things to criticize.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I didn't mean to say you specifically have given up on this season. But plenty of people definitely have.

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[quote=GMScud;376940][B]Umm, you're still posting on this thread....[/B]

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.[/quote]

Nope. That was just a figment of your imagination.

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Wise points out clear coaching issues, i.e. clock mismanagement. Not having any timeouts left with 8mins left in the game??

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101597.html"]Mike Wise - Wheels Come Off - washingtonpost.com[/URL]

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[quote=GMScud;376940]Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.[/quote]What's weird though is we could totally right the ship and finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs, but we could also flounder around, drop our 3 remaining divisional games, finish 9-7 and still make the playoffs.

We should have had today's game, but there is a lot of football left to be played.

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[quote=GTripp0012;377006]What's weird though is we could totally right the ship and finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs, but we could also flounder around, drop our 3 remaining divisional games, finish 9-7 and still make the playoffs.

We should have had today's game, but there is a lot of football left to be played.[/quote]

Hey, on any given Sunday, sure. But the past is a good predictor of the future.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;377007]Hey, on any given Sunday, sure. But the past is a good predictor of the future.[/QUOTE]

The past usually is a good indicator of how we will perform in the future, but I'm not sure if the past indicates that we will be good or that we will stink it up. We've been wildly inconsistent. One minute our offense looks totally inept and the next second it looks dominant. The same can be said of the defense. This team has loads of potential, but capitalizes on such potential on an inconsistent basis. I think that it is reasonable to say that this team could go 1-7 or 7-1 down the stretch.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;377010]The past usually is a good indicator of how we will perform in the future, but I'm not sure if the past indicates that we will be good or that we will stink it up. We've been wildly inconsistent. One minute our offense looks totally inept and the next second it looks dominant. The same can be said of the defense. This team has loads of potential, but capitalizes on such potential on an inconsistent basis. I think that it is reasonable to say that this team could go 1-7 or 7-1 down the stretch.[/quote]

The next two weeks are going to be battles. Dallas is really cocky right now. We gotta get to Romo. I just saw next week's lines. Dallas is favored by 11. 11!!! No respect.

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It's the Snyder curse. Ever since he's bought this team, it hasn't really mattered who's coached for us or played for us(usually hurt). As long as he owns this team, we will not see redskins standards. just my negative opinion after yet another tough loss....poor joe

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[quote=GMScud;377007]Hey, on any given Sunday, sure. But the past is a good predictor of the future.[/quote]The past says...we're average. So a little luck yields a 4-3 result, while the lack of a bit of luck yields 3-4.

That's the difference between 8-8 and 9-7, and likely the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;377002]Wise points out clear coaching issues, i.e. clock mismanagement. Not having any timeouts left with 8mins left in the game??

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101597.html"]Mike Wise - Wheels Come Off - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/QUOTE]


Well, I don't know how much the author of [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101598.html"]this article[/URL] embellished, but the tone seems to suggest the Joe Gibbs was completely demoralized after this loss.

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[quote=Beemnseven;377034]Well, I don't know how much the author of [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101598.html"]this article[/URL] embellished, but the tone seems to suggest the Joe Gibbs was completely demoralized after this loss.[/quote]

The author also speculated that we'll have to win at least 4, maybe 5 of our remaining 7 to have a chance at the playoffs. If Gibbs is taking this personally and it's causing more introspection, then GOOD. Again, I'm glad Joe has brought stability to the team, but I want to win damn it.

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today was a dagger in joe gibbs 2.0

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My big knock on Gibbs is that the team seems lost in managing the clock, running the two minute drill, and at the goal line. That said, I saw more positives out of the O today than perhaps all year. JC was given an opportunity to stretch the field and Portis gashed the Eagles all day. For the first time all season, this looked like the Al Saunders offense in KC a few years back. Let's hope that is a trend that continues.

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why call a draw play when JC was picking apart the eagles defense? should have tried to throw the ball into the endzone

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;377047]why call a draw play when JC was picking apart the eagles defense? should have tried to throw the ball into the endzone[/quote]I'm with you there - worst call of the game, which I vehemently criticized earlier. Some on this board actually believe that was a good call. Campbell's record in the red zone passing game speaks for itself - let the young man make a play!!!

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i was excited that they were letting campbell finally play today, but going for a Fg instead of a touchdown is BS, it chance the whole game around.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;376847]Did you watch the game? Just checking. My four year old could answer your question.[/quote]


Yea I watched the game real close and live, DID YOU? Whats that got to do with anything?

Then let you 4 year old explain why detroit has a better record than we do, and we are head and shoulders better than they are....? You might want to check the standings.

That makes ZERO sense.